Originally posted by Silent MasterShow Cap's best striking feat without his shield, because I've seen this argument before and most people bring up Cap fighting a Kree which isn't even that impressive, or Cap's fight with Ramrod.
Not really, that Wolverine feat you mentioned isn't even close to Cap's best striking feat.
And considering Cap stated that he put everything he had in that punch then there isn't any reason to believe otherwise. Cap's max striking power according to his own statement sent Wolverine flying through a taxi, Bats striking power sent Bane through a steel door, the only difference is he never stated that he put everything he had into that attack
Originally posted by CosmicCometDidnt say it wasnt believable. This is comics so anything is as long as its consistent, bottom line.
As expected, you would have no rebuttal and would take to repeating yourself.Since its comics, and PIS exists and comics, and you've basically non-commitally agreed to it not being a believable occurrence, then we can throw it out as a meaningful speed feat in a forum fight, why? Because we can ignore PIS.
Slade is no faster in reflexes than Cap, by his own quantifiable speeds.
Tagging a varying perception speed Wally is what? Non-quantifiable.
95% of feats are not quantifiable with exact numbers. His speed feats are simply far more impressive.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
His fights in Titans East and in Identity Crisis put his reflexes above Cap's by a good margin. Unless Cap has ever blitzed someone who can outpace a bullet. Or unless Cap has fought two entire teams simultaneously without getting touched once.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
His fights in Titans East and in Identity Crisis put his reflexes above Cap's by a good margin. Unless Cap has ever blitzed someone who can outpace a bullet. Or unless Cap has fought two entire teams simultaneously without getting touched once.
When did the Titans incompetence and terrible team work translate into a speed feat for Slade? Those idiots were falling over one another and running into each other's attacks when they tried to take Slade down. And the only reason he didn't get touched is because Nightwing stepped in and stopped Cass...
When did Slade ever blitz someone who "outpaced a bullet"?
Originally posted by namorsubby
Didnt say it wasnt believable. This is comics so anything is as long as its consistent, bottom line.95% of feats are not quantifiable with exact numbers. His speed feats are simply far more impressive.
He hasn't.lol
Except his speed feats are not more impressive... and the examples you are talking about right now barely quantify as speed feats, if they do at all. facepalm
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When did the Titans incompetence and terrible team work translate into a speed feat for Slade? Those idiots were falling over one another and running into each other's attacks when they tried to take Slade down. And the only reason he didn't get touched is because Nightwing stepped in and stopped Cass...When did Slade ever blitz someone who "outpaced a bullet"?
He's claiming Black Canary is a bullet timer and that Slade blitzed her, however the issue he's talking about is the one where Kyle forgot that he was a GL and tried to punch Slade and Flash managed to run into Slade's sword.
IOW, massive jobbing was involved.
Originally posted by Silent MasterHigh end feats huh? 2 can play at that game
For high end feats, He's punched out members of the Wrecking Crew, Rhino and even the Hulk.
So using high end feats Cap hits harder than Bruce does
Using high end feats Bruce is much faster than Cap is since he dodged a lighting bolt in Power Girl 27
Originally posted by Silent MasterFirst off that is extreme downplaying right there. The Titans were not tripping over each other and calling them a team of idiots is nonsense, I can just as easily say Cap and the Heroes for Hire were a team of idiots that got taken down by Paladin until Shang Chi saved them. None of them tripped over each other, Slade was slamming them into each other and he even mentioned he could of kept it up all day if he wanted to
He's claiming Black Canary is a bullet timer and that Slade blitzed her, however the issue he's talking about is the one where Kyle forgot that he was a GL and tried to punch Slade and Flash managed to run into Slade's sword.IOW, massive jobbing was involved.
Yeah, Massive jobbing on Flash and Green Lanterns part were involved, not on Black Canary or the other Leaguers. Before Dinah could use the Canary Cry, Slade heard the click in her jaw and bagged her face before she could use it.
Then he used a laser pointer on the Atom proving that Slade can see on a sub atomic level, making his senses better than Caps
Dinah outraced a bullet in JLA 80 Page Giant where she used the Canary Cry to destroy them.
Let me know when Cap can casually beat down two teams of heroes or when he blitzes a character who can outrace a bullet, hell let me know when Cap blitzes a bullet timer in general, until then the speed and reflexes aren't debateable.
Originally posted by srankmissingninlol, there you go with your bullshit excuses. The fact that Slade is fast enough to engage so many opponents with varying levels of speed(some superhuman) all fixated on him in close quarters combat, and evade being struck puts him above cap. Hes done this many times.
When did the Titans incompetence and terrible team work translate into a speed feat for Slade? Those idiots were falling over one another and running into each other's attacks when they tried to take Slade down. And the only reason he didn't get touched is because Nightwing stepped in and stopped Cass...When did Slade ever blitz someone who "outpaced a bullet"?
Originally posted by srankmissingninThey require extreme speed and reflexes, so they.re speed feats.lol
Except his speed feats are not more impressive... and the examples you are talking about right now barely quantify as speed feats, if they do at all. facepalm
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Yeah, he went with his plan because he had no choiceSeriously do you even listen to yourself? I misread a scan and I'm a liar even though you're the idiot who said Roy Harper saved Slade from the JLA...we both made mistakes.. The fact that you keep emphasizing my Heroes for Hire misap and refuse to acknowledge your Identity Crisis blunder pretty much proves that you're out of gas.
Also the entire point of this argument was to show how Cap's ability to plan and his strategic mind compares to Slade. What you just did was prove that ****ing Shang Chi of all people is a better planner than Cap is. Punisher made the plan to sneak into Stark Tower and Shang made the plan to combat Paladin, you essentially proved that Punisher and Shang >>> when it comes to anything intellect related
Nice job shooting yourself in the foot. Should I continue or will you keep kicking your own ass in this argument?
I never said Roy Harper saved Slade from the JLA. It was a different incident that I was talking about. Where Slade own team got the better of him including Roy.
Like I said I know you would try to change the goal post and now say Shang is a better planner then Cap....LOL. I already predicted it.
Even I can predict you moves.....LOL 🙂 Just like Cap.
Plus that your theory that Shang saved them. For all we know if Cap had disagreed with Shang he could have taken him either way. You are a liar and still tried to change what had happened.
Plus a good leader hears the ideas of others as well. You can't have it both ways Cap goes with a failed plan and is wrong for that and then goes for a right plan and is wrong for that.
Cap won plenty of battles despite the ones you just cite as if they take away all of his accomplishments. Considering you just stick to the PIS for Slade against he JL is really telling for you.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
High end feats huh? 2 can play at that gameSo using high end feats Cap hits harder than Bruce does
Using high end feats Bruce is much faster than Cap is since he dodged a lighting bolt in Power Girl 27
Great, that's almost 1/10th 🙂 as impressive as Cap's dodging energy attacks while in zero G or the times he dodged electric attacks from Jolt.
Hell, even Cyclops has dodged lightning.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
High end feats huh? 2 can play at that gameSo using high end feats Cap hits harder than Bruce does
Using high end feats Bruce is much faster than Cap is since he dodged a lighting bolt in Power Girl 27
Except that isn't even remotely what is happening in that scan. Power Girl blasted off into flight, Batman didn't dodge her...
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I never said Roy Harper saved Slade from the JLA. It was a different incident that I was talking about. Where Slade own team got the better of him including Roy.Like I said I know you would try to change the goal post and now say Shang is a better planner then Cap....LOL. I already predicted it.
Even I can predict you moves.....LOL 🙂 Just like Cap.
Back for more huh? Cool, I was wondering when you'd show your mug here again
Your words EXACTLY
Two conclusions
1) You meant to say that he was saved by Roy Harper
2) You are unable to put together a proper sentence, because I have no idea what you mean by being saved during the Roy Harper, Roy Harper is a person and not an event or an object.
Either way, you still shot yourself in the foot, the entire argument was Cap being on Slade's level of planning and intelligence yet Shang was the one who came up with the plan to take down Paladin.
You predicted I'd say Shang was a better planner than Cap? Well according to Heroes for Hire he is otherwise Cap would of came up with a plan to beat Paladin.
Next..
Originally posted by Silent Master
Great, that's almost 1/10th 🙂 as impressive as Cap's dodging energy attacks while in zero G or the times he dodged electric attacks from Jolt.Hell, even Cyclops has dodged lightning.
Energy attacks don't equal a lighting bolt brah
Electric attacks don't equal a lighting bolt brah
Electrical currents which characters like Electro use aren't even 1/10000th the speed of a lighting bolt. The actual lighting that Bats dodged in PG was brought from the sky which travels 3700 miles per second making it by far a faster speed feat than any Cap has to offer
Cyclops dodged lighting that came from Storm"s hand, AND Cyclops stated that Storm hesitated at the last second
Try again