Originally posted by namorsubby
Srank may be your all knowing go to guy for confirmation about the validity of everything, but I use the internet. Srank can say what he wants, i found multiple sites who all said the same thing about sarcophigi. He cant suppprt his ridiculous notions without finding a bs excuse to not acknowledge ANY thing given that obviously contradicts it.
He posted proof that backed up his side and refuted yours.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Flash perceives the world around him at the speed of light. It would be like if I told you I'm going to punch you a year from now, but I'm going to stand in the exact spot I'm in at this instance and throw my punch slow enough that the action wont finish until exactly one year from when it started... and you were free to go about your life as normal for that entire time.What are the ****ing odds that you'd get punched by me?
Beautiful.
Originally posted by srankmissingninthe numbers I stated came straight from the sites. Whatever bullshit you made up to counter it is irrelevant. It clearly stated what the average weight of a sarcophigus was. Nothing to debate. Bottom line.
You didn't find a single cite that supported you. The posted references... the references you posted verified everything I told you. You saw a high number and you put your blinders up and pretended it was the number you were looking for. I even quoted the pertinent parts of the article for you... multiple times... and you ignored me. Why? Because you don't care about the facts. You have a confirmation bias, and you are actively looking for evidence to support your claim. My thoughts on this matter are - like always - formulated by the facts. I don't find facts to suit my theories, I base my theories around the facts as they are presented. You don't.Obviously it takes some speed... otherwise the character wouldn't be moving... that's about. It's about timing, and execution, not about speed. Slade has never hit Flash because he is fast enough to hit the Flash, he has hit the Flash because he was able to maneuver the Flash into the line of fire at the current moment. What does that tell us about how fast Slade is? How do you quantify that? It's not a speed feat. Slade jumping through fan blades is a speed feat. Batman switching poisoned cups of tea without the person in front of him noticing is a speed feat (also slight of hand). At the end of the day Slade hitting Flash is - like all similar examples - largely an example of Flash jobbing hard for the sake of the plot.
I don't believe Cap is strong enough to pull down a helicopter... I know he is. What's the matter though? Just a second ago you were saying that is a nothing feat that wasn't impressive? Changed your tune? Cap two shoting the Hulk, however is PIS. It was only brought up because you brought up a similar example on Slade's end. I only reference PIS to counter PIS. You should learn from my example.
Duh it takes speed, because its a speed feat. Theres are plenty of feats that you can't atrach a quantifiable number to. It didn't mean they aren't feats.
Never said it was a nothing feat. I said it simply wasn't what you said it was, and it isn't.
Slades examples weren't PIS. Caps was.
Originally posted by CosmicCometYou are an idiot for not understanding that you don't have to be on par with someones speed or faster to strike them once, especially when youre PREDICTING THEIR MOVES. Duh, dumbass
Lol. You're an idiot. This is basic stuff.For his reflexes to be good enough to tag the Flash...his reflexes would have to be comparable to the Flash in the first place.
They are not.
If his reflexes were on the same order as the Flash, then he could run comparably to the Flash as well. Again, reflexes are a muscle movement afterall. If he can move his body in a way fast enough to hit someone who is Mach+ in running, then that means he himself can command his body to run at similar speeds.
Originally posted by namorsubby
the numbers I stated came straight from the sites. Whatever bullshit you made up to counter it is irrelevant. It clearly stated what the average weight of a sarcophigus was. Nothing to debate. Bottom line.Duh it takes speed, because its a speed feat. Theres are plenty of feats that you can't atrach a quantifiable number to. It didn't mean they aren't feats.
Never said it was a nothing feat. I said it simply wasn't what you said it was, and it isn't.
Slades examples weren't PIS. Caps was.
The site listed the weight of the sarcophagus... then it went on to break down the weight of the individual components. The weight you kept citing was for the entire thing, which included the giant stone coffin the sarcophagus was placed in side of. That is not what were discussing. There were three separate elements to the sarcophagus. The stone coffin. Inside that the wooded coffin. Inside that the golden sarcophagus that contains the body. The part of the sarcophagus we were talking about was directly stated to weight 200lbs, in the very article you posted. The weight you cited, and are continuing to cite, is not accurate. You are purposely misleading people to support your bias.
It's not a speed feat. Slade doesn't hit Flash because he is fast enough to hit Flash. He hits Flash because he is able to predict his movements... and Flash is written down to enable it to happen. How can you argue that they are speed feats?
It's exactly what I said it was. Cap shot a grappling hook onto a helicopter and yanked it out of the air with one swift tug. That's a crazy strength feat... no sane person would argue otherwise.
That's convenient! 😆
FYI... you're a joke.
This was the site you posted: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/tutcoffins.htm
This is what the site says (THESE ARE DIRECT ****ING QUOTES):
"However, the size (and weight, about 1.36 metric tons or 3,000 pounds) of this coffin suggested that it was only the first of several such nested coffins."
"The golden coffin measures about 1.88 meters in length. The metal was beaten from heavy gold sheet, and varies in thickness from .25 to .3 centimeters. In 1929, it was weighed, tipping the scales at 110.4 kilograms."
Here is an image (from the article) referencing what they are talking about sans the lid:
That giant carved stone box is what weighs 3,000lbs. The sarcophagus that housed the body weighed 110.4kg. Which is 243.4lbs.
Does anyone else find this ambiguous? Because it seems pretty clear to me. READ THE DAMN ARTICLE SUBBY
Originally posted by namorsubby
You are an idiot for not understanding that you don't have to be on par with someones speed or faster to strike them once, especially when youre PREDICTING THEIR MOVES. Duh, dumbass
You have to be comparable in speed to someone in order to hit them.
Otherwise they will simply easily evade whatever you throw at them.
This is basic.
If you took the greatest fighter in the world, and made some average bloke a hundred times faster and a hundred times quicker in perception speed against him, the fighter gets destroyed.
He can try to 'predict' where the impossibly fast person is going to go, but unfortunately for him, that person has a hundred times the window to react that a normal person of comparable reflexes would have because he'd see the fighter at a 100 times slower speed. He could take his sweet time to react to where the fighter 'thinks' the fast guy is going to be.
Does this make a bit more sense to you? Slade has to move his body fast enough for it to compete with Flash's perception speed, but since the Flash's perception speed is on par with his own physical speed (and Slade's physical speed to him is laughably slower than a slug would be compared to Usain Bolt), he'd have all the time in the world to react to whatever Slade is trying to do. Slade predicts Flash is going to appear right behind him? Simple. Flash can do that. Stand right behind him for what will seem like an eternity to him, all the while Slade is initiating his attack, and then casually dodge out of the way at the last femtosecond and leave Slade helpless.
I know you are an elementary dude, who simply repeats stupid tropes and misconceptions and can't seem to think past that, but try to learn here.
You can't 'outfight' a miraculous speed advantage.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The site listed the weight of the sarcophagus... then it went on to break down the weight of the individual components. The weight you kept citing was for the entire thing, which included the giant stone coffin the sarcophagus was placed in side of. That is not what were discussing. There were three separate elements to the sarcophagus. The stone coffin. Inside that the wooded coffin. Inside that the golden sarcophagus that contains the body. The part of the sarcophagus we were talking about was directly stated to weight 200lbs, in the very article you posted. The weight you cited, and are continuing to cite, is not accurate. You are purposely misleading people to support your bias.It's not a speed feat. Slade doesn't hit Flash because he is fast enough to hit Flash. He hits Flash because he is able to predict his movements... and Flash is written down to enable it to happen. How can you argue that they are speed feats?
It's exactly what I said it was. Cap shot a grappling hook onto a helicopter and yanked it out of the air with one swift tug. That's a crazy strength feat... no sane person would argue otherwise.
That's convenient! 😆
FYI... you're a joke.
What Slade lifted was a sarcophigus. Why would it be an incomplete?
Hes able to predict his movement AND hes fast enough to execute his prediction in time. Which is an incredible feat.
When someone does something so many times throughout their history, it is valid, not PIS. The wonder woman feats and the flash feats fit this criteria.
I really wish this Slade and Flash instances wouldn't be blown out of proportion. Slade knows both Wally and Bart well enough to know their attack patterns, combined with the fact that Bart had just recovered from getting his knee cap blown out and the fact that Slade was possed by Jericho
Slade blitzing Dinah should put his speed above Cap since Dinah was able to match Cap's best speed feat though. Still going with Cap in the strength department as far as lifting goes
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
I really wish this Slade and Flash instances wouldn't be blown out of proportion. Slade knows both Wally and Bart well enough to know their attack patterns, combined with the fact that Bart had just recovered from getting his knee cap blown out and the fact that Slade was possed by JerichoSlade blitzing Dinah should put his speed above Cap since Dinah was able to match Cap's best speed feat though. Still going with Cap in the strength department as far as lifting goes
Knowing someone's attack patterns is absolutely irrelevant if you're a statue to them.
For Slade to not be a statue to a Flash character, he'd have to be moving fast enough in comparison to their perception speed. Which would mean he'd actually be moving about as fast as them.
He's not. Slade does move his body at even mid double digit Mach speeds. Let alone far above that.
Basically? It's simple comic PIS. Again, you cannot 'outfight' someone who can move and think hundreds of times faster than you. Let alone thousands of times. Or millions of times. Or, beyond.
Originally posted by Silent MasterSo the site doesn't then? You're apparently just antagonistic for the hell of it.
Please stop lying.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You have to be comparable in speed to someone in order to hit them.
Otherwise they will simply easily evade whatever you throw at them.This is basic.
If you took the greatest fighter in the world, and made some average bloke a hundred times faster and a hundred times quicker in perception speed against him, the fighter gets destroyed.
He can try to 'predict' where the impossibly fast person is going to go, but unfortunately for him, that person has a hundred times the window to react that a normal person of comparable reflexes would have because he'd see the fighter at a 100 times slower speed. He could take his sweet time to react to where the fighter 'thinks' the fast guy is going to be.
Does this make a bit more sense to you? Slade has to move his body fast enough for it to compete with Flash's perception speed, but since the Flash's perception speed is on par with his own physical speed (and Slade's physical speed to him is laughably slower than a slug would be compared to Usain Bolt), he'd have all the time in the world to react to whatever Slade is trying to do. Slade predicts Flash is going to appear right behind him? Simple. Flash can do that. Stand right behind him for what will seem like an eternity to him, all the while Slade is initiating his attack, and then casually dodge out of the way at the last femtosecond and leave Slade helpless.
I know you are an elementary dude, who simply repeats stupid tropes and misconceptions and can't seem to think past that, but try to learn here.
You can't 'outfight' a miraculous speed advantage.
Originally posted by -Pr-
As much as it might be PIS, to be fair, Wally wasn't always "on" in terms of speed. His perceptions could shift up and down at will.
That's fair, and you know what? That makes the feat even more irrelevant.
As Slade is only hitting someone who might have stupidly slowed his reactions down to MATCH Slade's.
Lol.
Originally posted by namorsubby
What Slade lifted was a sarcophigus. Why would it be an incomplete?Hes able to predict his movement AND hes fast enough to execute his prediction in time. Which is an incredible feat.
When someone does something so many times throughout their history, it is valid, not PIS. The wonder woman feats and the flash feats fit this criteria.
The sarcophagus gets placed inside a stone "coffin" to keep it safe and protect from the looters. The figure you keep citing is not the weight of the sarcophagus. It's the weight of the sarcophagus and the the massive stone coffin that the sarcophagus is placed inside of. It's pretty simple... I don't know why we need to keep having this discussion.
Slade's been rage stomped by Nightwing more times than he has injured a Wonder Woman level opponent. Many more times. Captain America has also laid out bricks like Hulk, Rhino with a far greater frequency then Slade ever has.
There is a section in the rules of his very forum specifically made to address this topic... it mentions Flash by name... because he has a habit of jobbing himself out to characters how could never hope to hit him if he was written to his potential. It's PIS. It's right in the rules.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's fair, and you know what? That makes the feat even more irrelevant.As Slade is only hitting someone who might have stupidly slowed his reactions down to MATCH Slade's.
Lol.
This is the same fight in which Kyle tried to punch him, so I'm not going to claim that there wasn't stupid writing involved.
Originally posted by namorsubby
He predicts his movement and is fast enough to tag him. Not because his speed is anywhere near his, but because its fast enough with the advantage of knowing where hell end up. Cry about it, Unjustly call it PIS. its comics.....and its what slade has definitively proven he can time and again in comics.
As expected, you would have no rebuttal and would take to repeating yourself.
Since its comics, and PIS exists and comics, and you've basically non-commitally agreed to it not being a believable occurrence, then we can throw it out as a meaningful speed feat in a forum fight, why? Because we can ignore PIS.
Slade is no faster in reflexes than Cap, by his own quantifiable speeds.
Tagging a varying perception speed Wally is what? Non-quantifiable.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Depends on what you would consider "vastly", based on feats...Cap has a very noticable edge in strength.
Maybe in raw lifting feats, I've seen Bruce break Killer Crocs jaw which would be 5000 lbs PSI, He threw a man through a steel door. Literally threw Dr Death through a steel door so hard that it ripped through
If anything Bruce could probably match Cap in striking power, the best striking feat I've seen from Cap is when he punched Wolverine hard enough to send him flying through a taxi
However Cap said he put everything he had in that punch. When Batman fought Bane in Batman :Bane he kicked Bane so hard that Bane flew threw a steel door. ripping it off the hingest
Then there is the infamous tree kick in Year One, and of course in Year One he punched someone so hard that he flew through a brick wall.
Cap is def stronger, by how much isn't very relevant unless it was a weight lifting contest, in terms of striking power it's closer