Originally posted by Nephthys
He never 'needed' to do anything. That he beat them with the Force only shows that he could beat them with the Force, not that he was unable to do so in sabers. He beat Vader in sabers.
It seemed as though your earlier viewpoint conveyed that Marek hardly defeated any opponents in duels, without considerable offense Force usage.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The comic shows him taking them out with the Force. But the novel has him outduelling pretty much everyone. Only Shaak Ti got past his Saber defenses in the novel, and that was Via a suicide move. Oh and he became more powerful after that fight anyway.His Soresu is clearly at a high level. And he switches anytime to a ferocious Juyo attack.
And the game? 😮💨
And Yoda didn't don armor and prosthetics that weighs hundreds of pounds.Vader uses the Force to compensate with his ruined-physicality - not overcome it.
Your point fails, miserably.
You mean the "proofs", I already gave?
I already gave them, and they are valid, so what your saying is that my arguments mean a lot.
Kenobi was slower around that time as well - and from what I understand, could have beaten Vader.Vader would be easily out-paced by a younger Kenobi.
With the Force - not with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by Arhael
And Yoda didn't have long limbs like any other character. Tiger runs much faster than cat, length of limbs matters, when it comes to speed. Yet, Yoda is still arguebly the fastest and Vader is stated faster than anyone but Yoda. So no, that's not a proof you provided. My argument can't fail because it is backed up by overwhelming amount of feats and comparisons, while your argument isn't.
Ahrael, your "arguments" are creeping over into Retard-territory, again. 😛
I just gave you Canon proof of Vader's speed being inhibited greatly by his armor and prosthetics, so be aware of that.
And Ferus Olin's account of Vader's "speed" is inconsistent, because during his time in the Order, he would have seen a few Jedi, a physically-prime Obi-wan Kenobi among them, being able to move much faster than Vader.
Originally posted by Arhael
There is no proof that Kenobi got slower.
Except for his physical-showings in A New Hope. 🙄
Originally posted by Arhael
Let me put it other way.
There is no proof that Marek lacked in speed. You are just biased to assume that he did. In contrary there is no proof that Revan is at least as fast and skilled as Marek.
I'm not assuming Marek lacks in speed - he has no reason to.
I was however, going off the earlier hypothesis of a few others, that Marek was apparently lacking in skill, due to his showings.
Others have since retracted their opinions on that matter.
But there is nothing to state that Marek is any faster or more skilled than Revan, as well.
Okay, I said this before: if you want to have a debate about Vader's speed, read the one on my Peak Bane vs. Peak-Suit Vader thread. Save us the additional pain of having to read your degrading points that are closer to insults than an arguments, it ruins the point of these threads: to have a friendly debate over the given topic.
Originally posted by jmoul
Okay, I said this before: if you want to have a debate about Vader's speed, read the one on my Peak Bane vs. Peak-Suit Vader thread.
Originally posted by jmoul
Enough of that debate, it is clear that Vader is extremely limited in speed compared to RotS Anakin, since his prosthetic limbs and his armor weren't as flexible as biological limbs. His armor was extremely heavy, and because he still had a biological torso, he needed to keep the weight that wasn't supported by his prosthetics off of his damaged body in order to move at the speed that he did.
^ What, that? 😛
So you're arguing basically that Vader isn't really all that fast?
Okay, well put. 😛
Yes, Vader is pretty slow, compared to a lot of Jedi and Sith, and definitely holds no edge over Revan here - if anything Revan probably has an edge in speed, over him. 😎
The keyword is slower. Vader isn't as slow as you make him out to be, he's still quick enough to dodge lasers right after the trigger is being pulled and quick enough to deflect a planatery laser right back at the canon.
No doubt he is slower than before due to his heavy armor and prosthetics though but its not like the more agile opponents he faced were lightyears ahead of him in speed.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
The keyword is [b]slower. Vader isn't as slow as you make him out to be, he's still quick enough to dodge lasers right after the trigger is being pulled and quick enough to deflect a planatery laser right back at the canon.No doubt he is slower than before due to his heavy armor and prosthetics though but its not like the more agile opponents he faced were lightyears ahead of him in speed. [/B]
She agrees.
Rookwood is just a troll, who apparently wishes she had a dick. None of her posts are genuine.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
She agrees.Rookwood is just a troll, who apparently wishes she had a dick. None of her posts are genuine.
Given that you're feeding on my seed, because you can't produce any of your own, I'd say that's pretty telling. 😆
You only wish you had genitals, like your daddy. 😎
Don't you?
Don't you, *****? 😆
Originally posted by shinkoryu
The keyword is [b]slower. Vader isn't as slow as you make him out to be, he's still quick enough to dodge lasers right after the trigger is being pulled and quick enough to deflect a planatery laser right back at the canon.No doubt he is slower than before due to his heavy armor and prosthetics though but its not like the more agile opponents he faced were lightyears ahead of him in speed. [/B]
The lightsaber Prodigy that is Revan, would likely still be. 😎
Originally posted by shinkoryu
The details on his lightsaber skills aren't much anyway.
Also, if this helps;
Mr. Drew revealed to me that Revan was skilled in all forms of lightsaber combat. However, his style was unpredictable.
Originally posted by Rookwood
- Realistically:Based on the opponents they've both fought, their skills, their powers, their potential, their reputations and the things they've survived - I would say realistically this fight is a 50-50 split.
It could literally go either way.