Originally posted by shinkoryu
Ooooh im scared to get banned on an INTERNET FORUM! Go ahead you angel wanna be, i bet you're the kind of geek who thinks he can get laid if he is a white knight on the internet.
Like I care what a racist thinks. Oh and Reported.
Also your very obsessed about whose getting laid. After your banned I suggest you get some serious help.
Originally posted by jadams3928
Yup. What is it with this pathetically sensitive generation?
Yeah clearly something wrong with us when we have an issue with blatant, unapologetic racist insults.
And absolutely nothing wrong with you who just sits there laughing while the words "smelly curry munching paki" are being thrown around.
I could understand if him and SWL were friends and both just joking around with each other. But that's clearly not the case, and the way shinkoryu is completely unapologetic about it shows he clearly is a racist.
I'm guessing his ex-girlfriend ran off with Pakistani guy. That would explain his racism and his obsession with who's shagging who.
Originally posted by Arhael
You gave proof that his armor weights a lot, not that his speed is reduced.
I understand that you're too mentally slow to make the simple connections here. 😛 😆
But yes, according to physics, with his armor, weighing hundreds of Lbs down on him, he would indeed have reduced speed.
Originally posted by Arhael
His single swing knocked two Jedi over, that's how strong he was. Such strength is more than sufficient to move as fast as others despite heavy armor.
He knocked them over, due to bulk, not raw strength.
His body, weighing much more now, would have increased momentum, and it was with that momentum that he could bowl people over.
Also, he needed the Force to move, and was not strong enough to move conventionally under his own power.
Originally posted by Arhael
Moreover, in the same book he blitzed other Jedi. This is canon proof that his weight of armor doesn't prevent him from being as deadly as ever with lightsaber.
Yeah, against mid to low-tier Jedi. 😛
Originally posted by Arhael
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Yeah, forgot about A New Hope, didn't you? 😄
Originally posted by Arhael
During his time in order he personally knew Anakin and Kenobi and participated with them on the same missions. So basically what you just said is void.
No - what you just said is void. 😉
Ferus Olin had indeed participated in missions with a physically-prime Obi-wan Kenobi, who is indeed faster than Vader.
Which makes Olin's account of Vader's "speed" inconsistent, because, again, he had also seen a physically-prime Kenobi in action - who is faster than Vader. 😎
Originally posted by Arhael
As for old Kenobi you still haven't provided any evidence that he got slower. Yoda was in far worse condition, he couldn't even walk properly, yet, his speed did not suffer from it.
This:
"Executing a move of incredible swiftness for one so old, Kenobi lunged at the massive shape. [b]Vader blocked the stab with equal speed, riposting with a counterslash that Kenobi barely parried. Another parry and Kenobi countered again, using this opportunity to move around the towering Dark Lord.
They continued to trade blows, with the old man now backing toward the hangar."
Vader matched Kenobi's speed and nearly killed him with first counterattack.
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Everyone here knows that prime-Kenobi is significantly faster than Vader.
You just proved it yourself, that Kenobi had gotten slower over time. 😎
Originally posted by Rookwood I understand that you're too mentally slow to make the simple connections here. 😛 😆But yes, according to physics, with his armor, weighing hundreds of Lbs down on him, he would indeed have reduced speed.
Also, he needed the Force to move, and was not strong enough to move conventionally under his own power.
As you see it was referring to ability to walk, not swinging lightsaber.
And this:
"With the power of his arms alone, he had the ability to lift an adult being off the ground. But the Force had always given him the ability to do that, especially in moments of rage, as he had demonstrated on Tatooine and elsewhere".
As you see his hands are stronger without Force, not weaker.
Finally this:
"He felt invulnerable in a way that had nothing to do with his durasteel prostheses, his suit of armor and gadgets, which now seemed little more than an outfit."
No - what you just said is void. 😉Ferus Olin had indeed participated in missions with a physically-prime Obi-wan Kenobi, who is indeed faster than Vader.
Which makes Olin's account of Vader's "speed" inconsistent, because, again, he had also seen a physically-prime Kenobi in action - who is faster than Vader. 😎
Everyone here knows that prime-Kenobi is significantly faster than Vader.You just proved it yourself, that Kenobi had gotten slower over time. 😎
@Arhael
The highest form of canon clearly established that Darth Vader was no longer as fast (and acrobatic) after becoming a cyborg as he was before in his natural form. He compensated this shortcoming by increasing his understanding of the Force and customizing his combat style according to his new biological/cybernatic realities.
Obviously, being a Force-wielder, Darth Vader is still expected to possess superhuman speed and reflexes. EU just reinforces this point.
As far as Revan is concerned; he doesn't have limitations of cyborg Darth Vader. Revan can perform even major actions with speed of thought or lightning fast; is highly acrobatic; and is very dangerous and unpredictable.
Originally posted by Arhael
According to physics Force can lift weight far greater than 265 lb. Not to have reduced speed he uses Force, simple as that.
Wrong. He uses the Force not to overcome the limitations set by the injuries at Mustafar - but to cope with them.
Because of Mustafar, he lost the ability to move as fast as he could in his prime, healthy body - having his body so badly damaged and weighed down, reduced his speed and agility.
Originally posted by Arhael
Nowhere it says he needed to use Force.
This is quote from the book:
"What good was motion of this sort, if he was going to have to call on the Force even to walk from place to place!"As you see it was referring to ability to walk, not swinging lightsaber.
Yes, then it does say he needed the Force to move. 😛
And all of Vader's showings still exemplify and show Vader not being anywhere near as fast as his non-injured self with a lightsaber. Simple as that.
Originally posted by Arhael
And this:
"With the power of his arms alone, he had the ability to lift an adult being off the ground. But the Force had always given him the ability to do that, especially in moments of rage, as he had demonstrated on Tatooine and elsewhere".As you see his hands are stronger without Force, not weaker.
And still not as fast as his pre-injured self's. 😛
Originally posted by Arhael
Finally this:
"He felt invulnerable in a way that had nothing to do with his durasteel prostheses, his suit of armor and gadgets, which now seemed little more than an outfit."
And?
Originally posted by Arhael
What I said is not void because Olin's account of Vader's "speed" is consistent as Kenobi is not faster than Vader. There is no evidence that prime Kenobi is faster than Vader.
So you're telling me that Vader could defeat General Grievous through a pure saber duel, the way Kenobi did?
Or that you can find showings of Vader moving with greater speed than Prime-Kenobi, at his fastest?
Please do. 😎
Originally posted by Arhael
Correction. Some people might believe here that prime-Kenobi is significantly faster than Vader. But no one claimed it. And it is only assumption anyway.
Who has to claim it?
No one here thinks that Vader can fight Grievous in a pure sword-duel and win.
Because he can't. 😄
Prime-Kenobi is faster - making Olin's comments inconsistent - because he had already seen someone move faster than Vader, who wasn't Yoda. 😎
Originally posted by Rookwood
And all of Vader's showings still exemplify and show Vader not being anywhere near as fast as his non-injured self with a lightsaber. Simple as that.
For example?
Originally posted by Rookwood
No one here thinks that Vader can fight Grievous in a pure sword-duel and win.
I have no doubt Vader would defeat Grievous in Lightsaber combat. Or are you really rating Vader's Saber prowess below that of Kit Fisto's?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
For example?
Vader versus Luke; every duel. 😄
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I have no doubt Vader would defeat Grievous in Lightsaber combat. Or are you really rating Vader's Saber prowess below that of Kit Fisto's?
Of course, Dumbass. 😆
Vader's too slow to deal with Grievous' 26-swings per second.
He'd get diced, unless he utilized the Force to destroy Grievous. 😎
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well, because you say soWait, not really. Where is your proof?
I'm sure Kenobi's greatest speed-feats significantly trump Vaders.
Many of which we've all already seen in the movies, books and series.
But if there is a Vader speed-feat that trumps all of Kenobi's understood feats, I'm open to hearing them.
Originally posted by Rookwood
I'm sure Kenobi's greatest speed-feats significantly trump Vaders.Many of which we've all already seen in the movies, books and series.
But if there is a Vader speed-feat that trumps all of Kenobi's understood feats, I'm open to hearing them.
So what you're saying is... you aren't sure. You believe Kenobi is likely faster than Vader, but lack the means to prove your case or are otherwise unwilling to do so.
With that in mind, it would probably be appropriate for you to ease up on those who disagree with you.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
So what you're saying is... you aren't sure. You believe Kenobi is likely faster than Vader, but lack the means to prove your case or are otherwise unwilling to do so.With that in mind, it would probably be appropriate for you to ease up on those who disagree with you.
No, rather, I'm saying that common to everything we've all seen, by all accounts, Prime-Kenobi is faster than Vader.
And I'm saying that any arguments contradictory to this probably lack the means to prove their case, as feats demonstrating Vader's speed over Prime-Kenobi would be slim to nill.
I'd have to see what evidence they could offer, since that's what's really in question.