Originally posted by menokokoro
Here is the reason, Superman is boring, Goku is awesome.Elaboration:
Goku got REALLY powerful, and it was awesome. But his character was well rounded (for the type of series) and fun. Not to mention that he surrounded himself with people who could compete with him in strength (at least when they first met), and the people he fights are generally stronger than him when they first meet, making for a much more entertaining fight.Now, Superman is, and always has been the strongest thing around, with a couple exceptions. It got boring really fast, so they invented Kryptonite...That wasn't entertaining enough, so they "killed" him off. That killed his popularity. So they what's left? Let's make him even more powerful! So to make him more interesting, they give him more and more power all the time!
:facepalm
So people give up on the idea of Goku being able to beat Superman, so they try to create some consolation prize that Goku is somehow the 'better' and 'deeper' character or some such, and this is played completely off their continued ignorance of Superman.
Hell no. Superman has far more thought put behind his character, and much more character development. Goku is purely a character about fighting, he's a warrior, whereas Superman is not remotely about that, but will fight when he has to.
Goku is pretty much a man-child, who will dump his family at any given moment when he finds it convenient to do so, and he's a neglectful friend as well, not bothering to keep in touch with his friends for often years at a time. Dub Goku is a little better in that regard though, as they try to force him into a more mature superhero-like role with his speeches, verbage and mannerisms, at least over his growth--so technically you could say dub Goku had some character development. Whereas Japanese Goku is, again, emphatically emphasized to a be a stunted man-child, especially with his voice actor remaining the same even when he's a grown man.
Goku's a great character, don't get me wrong, one of my favorites of all time and for a several years he was probably my absolute favorite, but not only can he not beat Superman in a fight, he's not as meaningful or impactful as Superman.
Originally posted by menokokoro
Here is the reason, Superman is boring, Goku is awesome.Elaboration:
Goku got REALLY powerful, and it was awesome. But his character was well rounded (for the type of series) and fun. Not to mention that he surrounded himself with people who could compete with him in strength (at least when they first met), and the people he fights are generally stronger than him when they first meet, making for a much more entertaining fight.Now, Superman is, and always has been the strongest thing around, with a couple exceptions. It got boring really fast, so they invented Kryptonite...That wasn't entertaining enough, so they "killed" him off. That killed his popularity. So they what's left? Let's make him even more powerful! So to make him more interesting, they give him more and more power all the time!
Superman/Goku
Alien/Alien
Kryptonite/Tail, hunger
Killed by Doomsday for "drama"/Killed by Raditz for "drama". Killed by Cell for "drama"
Made even more powerful/Seriously?
Holds down a job and relationships with friends and family/Shitty friend, horrible father and unemployed
Fights for selfless reasons/Fights for selfish reasons
Supes is better
Originally posted by juggerman
Superman/GokuAlien/Alien
Relative.
Originally posted by juggerman
Killed by Doomsday for "drama"/Killed by Raditz for "drama". Killed by Cell for "drama"
Actually, he was only killed for dramatic purposes against Cell. Against Radditz, it was a "necessary" evil so they could defeat Radditz.
Originally posted by juggerman
Made even more powerful/Seriously?
Goku's name should be renamed to "amps."
Originally posted by juggerman
Holds down a job and relationships with friends and family/Shitty friend, horrible father and unemployed
Fights for selfless reasons/Fights for selfish reasons
I would re-write that to this:
Creepily pretends to be a regular person (or regular person pretends to be superman); has the technology to save mankind from many illnesses, problems, and diseases but hides behind a facade of self-righteousness; stalks the utter-living shit out of everyone with his super powers, and is a really good moral character/fights almost exclusively for altruistic reasons, is an excellent Saiyan father (but a poor human father), is simple-minded, and is a really good moral person.
Originally posted by dadudemonTo be honest, he never HAD to die against Radditz. He just believed what his brother said, and let go of his tail. Gokou could have just grabbed his brothers tail again.
Actually, he was only killed for dramatic purposes against Cell. Against Radditz, it was a "necessary" evil so they could defeat Radditz.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Relative.Actually, he was only killed for dramatic purposes against Cell. Against Radditz, it was a "necessary" evil so they could defeat Radditz.
Goku's name should be renamed to "amps."
I would re-write that to this:
Creepily pretends to be a regular person (or regular person pretends to be superman); has the technology to save mankind from many illnesses, problems, and diseases but hides behind a facade of self-righteousness; stalks the utter-living shit out of everyone with his super powers, and is a really good moral character/fights almost exclusively for altruistic reasons, is an excellent Saiyan father (but a poor human father), is simple-minded, and is a really good moral person.
You could do that, but it wouldn't be true, at least not with Superman.
but i'm sure that was your point.
Right now I feel as if people really are underestmating Goku right now because they are looking what he has done and not what he could do. Just because he has not done so does not mean that he cannot destroy an entire solar system if he wanted to. He caused several earthquake just by turning SS3. He may not be portrayed as being invincible but he has the strenght to give anyone a hell of a fight
You guys are making a mistake. The Spirit Bomb can be touched a deflected by someone with a pure heart however it is still possible for it to hurt anyone. Beside that how would Supes even know that he could redirect it in the first place. If you dont believe my look up The Spirit Bomb on Google and go to dragonball wikia. Also why cant Goku just teleport Superman to a planet with a red sun where he would eventually lose his strength. He may be a goof but he knows alittle something about strategy and how to find weaknesses.
No limits fallacies and faith based claims don't apply.
How would Goku even realize Superman is powered by the Sun and that Red Sunlight weakens him anyway? He can't read his mind, so he has no way of finding out from a simple fight with basic parameters with no extraneous information given.
And if Goku has to use red sunlight to win, that's just an admission on his part that Superman is too strong for him normally.
If they are fighting 'in character', then it will be a good fight because Superman scales to his opposition, and Goku wants to fight people at their best and isn't underhanded.
If they are fighting 'out of character', Superman could just fry Goku's brain in the first femtosecond of the fight.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh don't worry, I've been smashing carver for as long as he has been on the site IIRC, I am well-aware of his wacky antics.
Nothing wacky about what I said. On a consistent basis...Goku is...
Faster combat wise.
Stronger
Hits harder
More powerful
More durable
Better fighter
And would run through Superman enemies.
This is on average. Using high end fts, you MIGHT have an argument for him being more powerful than black hair Goku.
Originally posted by carver9
Nothing wacky about what I said. On a consistent basis...Goku is...Faster combat wise.
Stronger
Hits harder
More powerful
More durable
Better fighter
And would run through Superman enemies.This is on average. Using high end fts, you MIGHT have an argument for him being more powerful than black hair Goku.
Prove all of this. 👆
*Waits for carver to do something hilarious like bring up that Goku can beat up Toyman in a fight*
Actually, you don't need to prove he is a better fighter, that alone is true.