Thanos Vs The Serpent

Originally posted by kgkg
Baseless assumptions 🙂

Here are some lines from the issues:

Moondragon: “ Thanos doesn’t have the Power to face down Odin!”
Adam Warlock: “That remains to be seen. The limits of the titan’s might have never been fully tested.”

Odin: “Titan, you tap into a power source both dark and nearly limitless, as I am connected to a similar reserve

Odin: “It Has been EONS since I have fought such a FOE. Even in defeat you are an adversary worth SALUTING, Thanos of Titan”

What baseless assumptions? Go read Simonson's run where Surtur goes out of his way to specifically prevent Odin from growing in size as he gets significantly more powerful in that form. Or you can even go further back to the Lee/Kirby era where Odin grows in power by draining the Odin Power that powers all of the Asgardian superhuman abilities, augmenting his might.

Or you can fast travel to Jurgen's run where it was clearly stated that a large part of the Odin Force resides in the land of Asgard itself, empowering and giving life to the nine worlds. Which touches back to Odin being able to draw power from Asgard as well such as he did against the Celestials.

These aren't baseless assumptions, it's fact.

Thanos got some praise, I'm happy for you, it was a good showing. Unfortunately, I know the Odin Power is significantly beyond him and that Odin has fought far more powerful entities. If this comic existed in a vacuum, you'd have a point, but it doesn't.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odin was holding back against Thanos. What's there to dispute? He wasn't being gentle with him or anything, but he could have accessed a lot more power.

It's like Thanos fighting Base form Goku. Let's assume that Goku wins after a good, bloody fight; he wasn't pulling his punches but he didn't go Super either etc.

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Serpent wins.

He's already made it clear that he has zero knowledge of Odin, there is really no point in responding to him at this point.

I think there's a difference between holding back and going all out, that people seem to intentionally ignore.

Odin was definitely trying against Thanos, but he was still not going all out. In my opinion that is 🙂

If Odin had gone all out, Thanos would no longer exist.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What baseless assumptions? Go read Simonson's run where Surtur goes out of his way to specifically prevent Odin from growing in size as he gets significantly more powerful in that form. Or you can even go further back to the Lee/Kirby era where Odin grows in power by draining the Odin Power that powers all of the Asgardian superhuman abilities, augmenting his might.

Or you can fast travel to Jurgen's run where it was clearly stated that a large part of the Odin Force resides in the land of Asgard itself, empowering and giving life to the nine worlds. Which touches back to Odin being able to draw power from Asgard as well such as he did against the Celestials.

These aren't baseless assumptions, it's fact.

Thanos got some praise, I'm happy for you, it was a good showing. Unfortunately, I know the Odin Power is significantly beyond him and that Odin has fought far more powerful entities. If this comic existed in a vacuum, you'd have a point, but it doesn't.

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@kgkg

I wouldnt try to base my conclusions upon the statements made in that comic (you'd make a fool of yourself as that comic featured several lines of bad writing) as one of the ones you quoted is so blatantly wrong its laughable...

For example, you know the one where Odin praises Thanos saying that its been EONS since he faced such a foe?

Thats just plain bad writing as Odin has faced Surtur and Seth (among others) much more recently than eons ago and both of those guys actually were able to damage Odin and put up real resistance opposed to simply being beaten like a punching bag like Thanos was...

I dont know why Odin exerting himself means that Thanos gave him trouble. If Odin had gone all out, Thanos would be ashes.

Kgkg is defending Thanos? How dare he! Everyone Lynch him!

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
I dont know why Odin exerting himself means that Thanos gave him trouble. If Odin had gone all out, Thanos would be ashes.

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not gonna lie kgkg has good points here

Originally posted by bbrem123
not gonna lie kgkg has good points here

What would those points be?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What baseless assumptions? Go read Simonson's run where Surtur goes out of his way to specifically prevent Odin from growing in size as he gets significantly more powerful in that form. Or you can even go further back to the Lee/Kirby era where Odin grows in power by draining the Odin Power that powers all of the Asgardian superhuman abilities, augmenting his might.

It is funny that you bring that as your proof of power up. Odin was doing better without going great warrior mode. This mode never made an appearance outside that arc by the way. Also Odin was winning against Surtur before Surtur froze Odin with the Casket of ancient winters. This ability was only used in this arc because it played homage to his brothers who were responsible for Odin’s power and that mode is how they managed to steal the Eternal Flame in the first place.
This so called warrior mode could have been helpful in so many of Odin’s fights. It’s one of those things that writers made up and forgot long ago and what’s even funnier is that it didn’t even have power significance in the arc it that it was used in.

When Odin fights Surtur in Jurgens ‘The Might Thor’ this so call warrior mode didn’t come up.

This battle killed Odin… I don’t think holding back was an option.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Or you can fast travel to Jurgen's run where it was clearly stated that a large part of the Odin Force resides in the land of Asgard itself, empowering and giving life to the nine worlds. Which touches back to Odin being able to draw power from Asgard as well such as he did against the Celestials.

These aren't baseless assumptions, it's fact.

When the Odin Force was exhausted by enchanting the elixirs of renewal (all this did was enchant the elixirs so it could heal Thor (This would taken two days to heal Thor by the way) and teleport his troops to the battle field. These tasks exhausted Odin’s power so much that he wasn’t able to teleport more reinforcement (pitiful showcase for the Odin Force).
This was a good time these power-ups…But of course he was holding back....Too bad he died holding back.

This is like me using some obscure feat from Galactus absorbing some entity to power up. Than I start claiming He was holding back in all his fights because he didn't do that ability to his opponent(so that translates into Galactus holding back in almost all his fights). But ohhh no only the Odin camp can use this logic.

This is just one explain you can pretty much use any cosmic entity and make stupid claims of holding back based on absurd feats that happens 30 years which never make the return trip.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanos got some praise, I'm happy for you, it was a good showing. Unfortunately, I know the Odin Power is significantly beyond him and that Odin has fought far more powerful entities. If this comic existed in a vacuum, you'd have a point, but it doesn't

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@kgkg

I wouldnt try to base my conclusions upon the statements made in that comic (you'd make a fool of yourself as that comic featured several lines of bad writing) as one of the ones you quoted is so blatantly wrong its laughable...

For example, you know the one where Odin praises Thanos saying that its been [b]EONS since he faced such a foe?

Thats just plain bad writing as Odin has faced Surtur and Seth (among others) much more recently than eons ago and both of those guys actually were able to damage Odin and put up real resistance opposed to simply being beaten like a punching bag like Thanos was... [/B]

Well at least this is a better reason than he was holding back because Odin didn’t pull out the shit you listed here.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
1) Amp up with the spiritual energy of the Asgardian Race...
2) Amp up off of the land of Asgard itself (as he did in Thor 400)...
3) Use his most powerful artifact; the Sceptre of Power...
4) Don the Destroyer Armor...

Originally posted by vince_slice
Kgkg is defending Thanos? How dare he! Everyone Lynch him!

Originally posted by kgkg
When Odin fights Surtur in Jurgens ‘The Might Thor’ this so call warrior mode didn’t come up.

This battle killed Odin… I don’t think holding back was an option.

Originally posted by kgkg
This is like me using some obscure feat from Galactus absorbing some entity to power up. Than I start claiming He was holding back in all his fights because he didn't do that ability to his opponent(so that translates into Galactus holding back in almost all his fights). But ohhh no only the Odin camp can use this logic.

Originally posted by kgkg
I don't disagree that Odin is a vastly more powerful than Thanos. That battle showcased Thanos’s durability.

Odin held back against Thanos. He didn't engage Thanos like he engaged Seth, the Enchanters, Galactus, Surtur, Doom w/ Galactus' power, etc. And it's obvious.

Classic false dichotomy. Odin didn't amp off off Asgard, therefore we automatically assume he was holding back and wasn't trying against Thanos.

Things aren't that black and white, there's such a thing as a middle ground like curryman said:

Originally posted by curryman
I think there's a difference between holding back and going all out, that people seem to intentionally ignore.

Odin was definitely trying against Thanos, but he was still not going all out. In my opinion that is 🙂

Odin wasn't going all out, but its obvious from the narration and the art that Odin was pouring progressively more effort and energy into trying to put Thanos down. Clearly he was trying.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Classic false dichotomy. Odin didn't amp off off Asgard, therefore we automatically assume he was holding back and wasn't trying against Thanos.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Things aren't that black and white, there's such a thing as a middle ground like curryman said:

Odin wasn't going all out, but its obvious from the narration and the art that Odin was pouring progressively more effort and energy into trying to put Thanos down. Clearly he was trying.

Some effort =/= real consterned effort. That's the false dichotomy that is being peddled here.

Odin has affected the multiverse, yet they claim he was going all out against Thanos. How does that work?

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Odin has affected the multiverse, yet they claim he was going all out against Thanos. How does that work?

Quan is their queen, they'll believe anything that she says.

I guess that remark he made about homosexuals will never go away.

the thanos/odin fight was so strange in so many ways. i feel odin was holding back, but just not as much as some seem to believe. it was something of a mismatch though imo as odin, at no point in that battle, ever appeared to be in any danger--at all. he just kind of seemed unable/unwilling to put thanos down for good--or quickly. but why not? why actively hold back? makes no sense to me, but i do think he held back to a certain degree.

as for this fight--i've thought about it and looking back at some of the serpent stuff, i do think serpent would definitely take thanos. the comments of mephisto were pretty telling as he described the way the serpent harnessed the power of fear to make himself powerful. true he didn't really have the feats, but in this case i'll go with implied power and writer intent over displayed feats.

P1: Serpent broke Cap's shield
P2: Thanos face is less durable than Cap's shield
C: Serpent will easily break Thanos face.