Thanos Vs The Serpent

I don't recall Thanos having any desire to attack/beat Odin, just try and "reason" with him by letting him vent his anger in a tussle.

Odin was pretty pissed off and attacked with some ferocity, but it wasn't a headbutt so we know for certain he was holding something in reserve.

on topic, Thanos should win this comfortably. He's durable enough to withstand The Serpent's attacks (as he did Odin's more powerful barrage) and his own offensive powers (when utilised) are more than capable of rocking TS.

On top of that, Thanos is by far a better strategist, tactician, fighter and also more experienced in battling against superior forces/beings.

Originally posted by janus77
I don't recall Thanos having any desire to attack/beat Odin, just try and "reason" with him by letting him vent his anger in a tussle.

Odin was pretty pissed off and attacked with some ferocity, but it wasn't a headbutt so we know for certain he was holding something in reserve.

on topic, Thanos should win this comfortably. He's durable enough to withstand The Serpent's attacks (as he did Odin's more powerful barrage) and his own offensive powers (when utilised) are more than capable of rocking TS.

On top of that, Thanos is by far a better strategist, tactician, fighter and also more experienced in battling against superior forces/beings.

Thano's durability isn't beyond Cap's shield so he won't be withstanding any of the Serpent's attacks.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thano's durability isn't beyond Cap's shield so he won't be withstanding any of the Serpent's attacks.

Originally posted by leonidas

as for this fight--i've thought about it and looking back at some of the serpent stuff, i do think serpent would definitely take thanos. the comments of mephisto were pretty telling as he described the way the serpent harnessed the power of fear to make himself powerful. true he didn't really have the feats, but in this case i'll go with implied power and writer intent over displayed feats.

oorrrrrr..........

Originally posted by h1a8
P1: Serpent broke Cap's shield
P2: Thanos face is less durable than Cap's shield
C: Serpent will easily break Thanos face.

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Originally posted by ODG
Dumb strawman. Not only did you misinterpret me, you didn't even bother to address the entirety of my statements. But I guess that was intentional. It's also a stinging indictment against your naysaying.

Secondly, I didn't address your statements because they were aimed at kgkg, not me.

He was trying. And was still holding back. Because he didn't approach anywhere near his full power as he did in MANY other fights.

Some effort =/= real consterned effort. That's the false dichotomy that is being peddled here.

He was "trying and holding back"...sounds very oxymoronic to me. Using the word "holding back" clearly means that Odin wasn't putting effort or trying to put Thanos down, which is downright wrong. Just because Odin didn't tap into the absolute height of all his power in no way mean's he "held back" it simply means he didn't tap into his full power. To describe that as "holding back" is downright misleading. Then again, my definition of "holding back" probably differs.

It's indisputable that the art and narration showcase Odin putting more and more effort and energy into trying to put Thanos down.

e.g., Thanos no-sold the first blast, got staggered by the other two, sent flying by the Gungnir blast, and the last blast nearly destroyed Asgard. Clearly this shows an escalation in power used by Odin. Does that sound like "holding back"? Not to me it doesn't.

Besides Odin commenting on tapping into infinite power, Odin also expressed surprise that Thanos still breathed. The very fact alone tells us Odin intended to kill or incapaciate Thanos. What happens when your initial attacks don't work? You attack harder, and harder until they're down, and that's exactly what Odin did.

Saying he "held back" is the most inaccurate way of describing that fight.

Originally posted by ODG
That's right, it wasn't an option. Odin absorbed the power of the Designate.

Originally posted by ODG
That's because Asgard and all Asgardian lifeforce is of Odinpower. These aren't random energy sources that Odin draws upon. It's just him taking back what is his. Like Nova Prime taking back the Novaforce he gifted to the Nova Corps and Quasar in the climax to Thanos Imperative. And Thanos' inability to do squat to Odin. Like you said, Odin is vastly more powerful than Thanos.

Originally posted by ODG
Odin held back against Thanos. He didn't engage Thanos like he engaged Seth, the Enchanters, Galactus, Surtur, Doom w/ Galactus' power, etc. And it's obvious.

Yes, let's just ignore all the fights where Odin showed far more power than he did against Thanos.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, let's just ignore all the fights where Odin showed far more power than he did against Thanos.

IOW, no matter what I show you, you'll just discount it.

@kgkg

Odin has gone all out; against the 4th Celestial Host...

Of course in that instance he used a weapon that was strongest than the Sceptre of Power; the Oversword of Asgard...

Of course that weapon was destroyed by Arishem during the battle leaving the Spectre of Power as his most powerful artifact...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@kgkg

Odin has gone all out; against the 4th Celestial Host...

Of course in that instance he used a weapon that was strongest than the Sceptre of Power; the Oversword of Asgard...

Of course that weapon was destroyed by Arishem during the battle leaving the Spectre of Power as his most powerful artifact...

Odin not using these weapon in a battle not does not mean he is holding back this has been showcased in many comics Odin fights in.

Are you trying to say that ODIN has to be HOLDING BACK if he is not using these weapons? ARE YOU?

Character's power levels aren't static in comics. I guess that's why we average them.

Odin has appeared very powerful and very weak in comics.
The Odin who fought Seth would probably one shot Thanos. The Odin who marched against Mangog would probably get beat by Thanos.

Remember writer's differ on character's power level and that's why we can find so many contradictions in comics.

Originally posted by kgkg
I have already address these issues.

Odin not using these weapon in a battle not does not mean he is holding back this has been showcased in many comics Odin fights in.

Are you trying to say that ODIN has to be HOLDING BACK if he is not using these weapons? ARE YOU?

hey bro, been a while. 🙂

i can see your point and actually agree with you to a certain degree. i really hate this odin/thanos battle. is it your stance that odin was going all out here?

Originally posted by h1a8
Character's power levels aren't static in comics.

qft. 👆

it's why we don't use just high OR low feats. the question isn't has odin shown in the past that he is capable of extering more power than he did against thanos, the question is how often has he done so and how regularly.

i don't think anyone (well, almost anyone....) would suggest thanos=odin when it was crystal clear he was not. but i wonder--to those who feel he held back, HOW MUCH do you feel he kept in reserve? had he been going all out at the start, could he have ko'd thanos? that would imply he held back A LOT. what percentage do you feel odin was operating at, if you can put a number on it....?

personally, i'd say he started around 50-60% and ended up around 80% or so, given his more standard ("averaged"😉 appearances. of course the numbers are purely speculatory, but they may serve to create a different dialogue where we can see how far apart everyone actually is on this battle.....

I don't see why it must necessarily be "holding back" OR "going all out", wrt the Thanos/Odin "battle".

Just because Galactus doesn't consume the whole universe doesn't mean he isn't going all out when he fights The Galactus Engine or even when he's fighting T&A, but it is indisputable that he can and has amped from consuming the universe (BCA).

Odin exists both as part of a force that animates and empowers a kingdom AND as an independent and powerful entity manifesting a large portion of that same force.

He can be trying really hard to beat someone up, without being willing to go "all out" and basically wind down Asgard just so that he can rock Thanos.

Similar to how Galactus decided not to carry on his confrontation with The Phoenix Force, because the cost would be too high in terms of energy expended and in terms of pay-off (there wasn't enough at stake to make him waste that much energy).

Or, at the other end of the scale, like how Batman doesn't kill but still doesn't go easy on Joker or any of his quarry.

Originally posted by leonidas
qft. 👆

it's why we don't use just high OR low feats. the question isn't has odin shown in the past that he is capable of extering more power than he did against thanos, the question is how often has he done so and how regularly.

i don't think anyone (well, almost anyone....) would suggest thanos=odin when it was crystal clear he was not. but i wonder--to those who feel he held back, HOW MUCH do you feel he kept in reserve? had he been going all out at the start, could he have ko'd thanos? that would imply he held back A LOT. what percentage do you feel odin was operating at, if you can put a number on it....?

personally, i'd say he started around 50-60% and ended up around 80% or so, given his more standard ("averaged"😉 appearances. of course the numbers are purely speculatory, but they may serve to create a different dialogue where we can see how far apart everyone actually is on this battle.....

My number wouldn't be a little higher... Like Janus posted above.. I don't think he needs to be shacking the multiverse to say he's putting forth great effort. The narration makes it clear that he felt Thanos wa a worth foe.. In fact, it says he hasn't fought somebody like this in eons.. He goes on to talk about how Thanos has a power reserve almost as infinite as his own. These words seem to indicate he was giving Odin a run for his money. To expand on that, Thor has tanked blasts from Odin before..so have other heraldish being without being KO'd. Odin proceeded to one shot Drax and Surfer with ease. That seems to indicate to me he was pissed and putting forth a good amount of effort. Afterall they were invading asgard and perceived as threats.. and holding his son hostage.. Seems likely he would put forth effort.

That said, if made to put numbers on it... I would say about 70-75% at the start and anywhere between 80-90% at it finish. there is no doubt in my mind Odin could've got more effort forth and raised the stakes. I also believe he was trying to put Thanos down and putting forth good effort to do so.

That would explain why Odin looked and sounded so exhausted after the fight.

i can certainly live with that. 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
qft. 👆

it's why we don't use just high OR low feats. the question isn't has odin shown in the past that he is capable of extering more power than he did against thanos, the question is how often has he done so and how regularly.

i don't think anyone (well, almost anyone....) would suggest thanos=odin when it was crystal clear he was not. but i wonder--to those who feel he held back, HOW MUCH do you feel he kept in reserve? had he been going all out at the start, could he have ko'd thanos? that would imply he held back A LOT. what percentage do you feel odin was operating at, if you can put a number on it....?

personally, i'd say he started around 50-60% and ended up around 80% or so, given his more standard ("averaged"😉 appearances. of course the numbers are purely speculatory, but they may serve to create a different dialogue where we can see how far apart everyone actually is on this battle.....

Careful, you're going to be called a Thanos fanboy for even suggesting Odin used more than 1% of his power, let alone 50 to 70%.

Originally posted by leonidas
hey bro, been a while. 🙂

i can see your point and actually agree with you to a certain degree. i really hate this odin/thanos battle. is it your stance that odin was going all out here?

Yep I think he was going all out based on their fight nothing about that fight showed Odin was holding back. Odin compliment Thanos's power and that he hasn't fought someone like him in EONS imo this clearly shows that the writer didn't indented this to be holding back..good guy Odin. I mean in that same issue- Odin was one shooting the likes of Surfer and this was before he pulled Gungnir and Surfer has survived against similar opponents a lot longer.

You also have to remember that Adam Warlock says that Thanos's power had never been fully tested and he wasn't sure on the outcome of this battle.

I think people assume automatically that Odin had to be holding back because he is suppose to be so much more powerful than Thanos. I don't mind people assuming that he was holding back and it could very well be the case but there no PROOF of that.