Originally posted by vince_sliceOh. My bads.
Couple of things, firstly my post wasn't necessarily aimed at you (otherwise I would've quoted you), it was aimed at some the arguements made in this thread in general.Secondly, I didn't address your statements because they were aimed at kgkg, not me.
Originally posted by vince_sliceNo, it doesn't. Going easy on Thanos would have that connotation. Nobody ever said Odin was going easy on Thanos.
He was "trying and holding back"...sounds very oxymoronic to me. Using the word "holding back" clearly means that Odin wasn't putting effort or trying to put Thanos down
Originally posted by vince_sliceIt differs.
which is downright wrong. Just because Odin didn't tap into the absolute height of all his power in no way mean's he "held back" it simply means he didn't tap into his full power. To describe that as "holding back" is downright misleading. Then again, my definition of "holding back" probably differs.
Originally posted by vince_sliceNot anywhere near the effort he shows in fights where he goes all out though.
It's indisputable that the art and narration showcase Odin putting more and more effort and energy into trying to put Thanos down.e.g., Thanos no-sold the first blast, got staggered by the other two, sent flying by the Gungnir blast, and the last blast nearly destroyed Asgard. Clearly this shows an escalation in power used by Odin. Does that sound like "holding back"? Not to me it doesn't.
And that's holding back to me.
Originally posted by vince_sliceIf I rammed a small child's head into the wall I might also express surprise that he's alive despite not using anywhere near my full strength. And just because I might escalate my attempts to break his head open doesn't mean I'd be spending serious effort doing so.
Besides Odin commenting on tapping into infinite power, Odin also expressed surprise that Thanos still breathed. The very fact alone tells us Odin intended to kill or incapaciate Thanos. What happens when your initial attacks don't work? You attack harder, and harder until they're down, and that's exactly what Odin did.Saying he "held back" is the most inaccurate way of describing that fight.
Not really.
Originally posted by kgkgI pointed out the Designate because you seemed to be suggesting that Odin had no option but to go all-out and use the various amps mentioned throughout. Odin spent some of his power trying to cure his people of Surtur's curse. So him powering up probably wasn't in the cards. His people were in direct combat with Surtur's hordes, so absorbing them into himself would have left his armies unchecked. As Surtur was as strong as ever while amped by the Twilight Sword, with his own armies barely holding the line, and Odin having been weakened, he had no option but absorb the power of the Designate.
He asked for the Designate energy. Anyway this is not Designate-Odin vs Thanos. His Odinpower failed him; these so called amps and power up were nonexistent. The whole point was that just because Odin doesn’t amp/power-up doesn’t mean he was holding back. His power depleted so quickly doing menial task.
Originally posted by kgkgIt's okay for Odin because it is his personal power. Your UN analogy isn't even close. If you can prove Taa II was a mere manifestation of Galactus' personal Power Cosmic stores, then that'd work better. Let me know when you do so. Headsup though, it's been gone ever since Secret Wars. So if it were just a manifestation of his personal power, he'd probably have recreated it by now.
Ohh so it’s okay for Odin because of ownership okay let change the example to “Galactus using TA II or better yet The Ultimate Nullifier”So he held back against Thanos because he engaged his other opponents differently? Lol
No sh1t sherlock. Odin engaged Thanos like he engaged Thor when they warred against the Eternals.
Originally posted by ODG
I pointed out the Designate because you seemed to be suggesting that Odin had no option but to go all-out and use the various amps mentioned throughout. Odin spent some of his power trying to cure his people of Surtur's curse. So him powering up probably wasn't in the cards. His people were in direct combat with Surtur's hordes, so absorbing them into himself would have left his armies unchecked. As Surtur was as strong as ever while amped by the Twilight Sword, with his own armies barely holding the line, and Odin having been weakened, he had no option but absorb the power of the Designate.
Originally posted by ODG
It's okay for Odin because it is his personal power. Your UN analogy isn't even close. If you can prove Taa II was a mere manifestation of Galactus' personal Power Cosmic stores, then that'd work better. Let me know when you do so. Headsup though, it's been gone ever since Secret Wars. So if it were just a manifestation of his personal power, he'd probably have recreated it by now.
It doesn’t get more personal than this
Originally posted by ODGlol this is your example? Odin clearly didn’t want to hurt his boy and even lets him go. That was not the case with Thanos.
No sh1t sherlock. Odin engaged Thanos like he engaged Thor when they warred against the Eternals.
Originally posted by kgkgWhat a dumb strawman. Odin can go all-out by drawing upon all the Odinpower at his disposal and growing superhuge. It's obvious he's taxing himself to his utmost limits as he always goes into an Odinsleep therafter. Or, he can absorb Asgard/Asgardians and be equally powerful. We know this to be true as in their first war against Set, Thor took the Odinforce and grew gigantic to fight Surtur while Odin absorbed Asgard to fight Set. If Odin's army is busy holding back the tide in a desperate battle, that second option ain't exactly on the table.
So he can only power-up when his armies are not engage in battle? What about ‘great warrior mode’? What about absorbing energy from asgard itself? Or the nine realms that rage wes spouting about? It does not really matter because the only point I’m trying to make is that just because a comic book doesn’t show Odin absorbing power in battle does not equate to Odin was holding back. Do you agree?
Originally posted by kgkgHis brothers no longer exist. They merged into him to become the being we know as Odin. Sorry you want to ignore the character and his powers. What? When we think of Nova Prime going all out, are we not allowed to discuss the full conglomerated Novaforce he merged with because he's just "borrowing" them? They're just a donation from the Worldmind that is irrelevant in vs threads? Think before you type. Because you're coming off as shockingly dumb right now.
What is your definition of personal power? Because Odin’s own powers are not his it’s a donation from his brothers. Sorry you want to exclude technology from personal powers now? lolIt doesn’t get more personal than this
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5792/95875695.jpglol this is your example? Odin clearly didn’t want to hurt his boy and even lets him go. That was not the case with Thanos.
The UN is not a manifestation of Galactus' Power Cosmic. He's not responsible for its creation (on-panel), its origin remains a mystery to all (on-panel), and Galactus has never absorbed it into himself or been seen creating it. Now I shouldn't have to prove a negative (even though I just did), but let us know when you prove otherwise.
Odin declared Thor's death for his betrayal, you nimrod. Even brought out Gungnir on him which so many people think is a sign of escalating power. But omg, according to your falsely absolutist thinking, "If Odin uses Gungnir he's not holding back anymore, trollolol!!!11"
Originally posted by ODG
What a dumb strawman. Odin can go all-out by drawing upon all the Odinpower at his disposal and growing superhuge. It's obvious he's taxing himself to his utmost limits as he always goes into an Odinsleep therafter. Or, he can absorb Asgard/Asgardians and be equally powerful. We know this to be true as in their first war against Set, Thor took the Odinforce and grew gigantic to fight Surtur while Odin absorbed Asgard to fight Set. If Odin's army is busy holding back the tide in a desperate battle, that second option ain't exactly on the table.
His brothers no longer exist. They merged into him to become the being we know as Odin. Sorry you want to ignore the character and his powers. What? When we think of Nova Prime going all out, are we not allowed to discuss the full conglomerated Novaforce he merged with because he's just "borrowing" them? They're just a donation from the Worldmind that is irrelevant in vs threads? Think before you type. Because you're coming off as shockingly dumb right now. Now I shouldn't have to prove a negative (even though I just did), but let us know when you prove otherwise.Sorry what does ownership has to do with Galactus being able to summon UN at will in a fight.
The UN is not a manifestation of Galactus' Power Cosmic. He's not responsible for its creation (on-panel), its origin remains a mystery to all (on-panel), and Galactus has never absorbed it into himself or been seen creating it.lol...So weapons that are not directly created by the user is banned? Are you stupid? Do you want a list of people that use weapons/powers that they didn't create.
Odin declared Thor's death for his betrayal, you nimrod. Even brought out Gungnir on him which so many people think is a sign of escalating power. But omg, according to your falsely absolutist thinking, "If Odin uses Gungnir he's not holding back anymore, trollolol!!!11"
Sorry to burst you bubble. In that fight Odin had Thor down for the count and he let Thor live. He wasn't saying you are the strongest foe I faced in EONS while failing to put his opponent down.
You comparing this fight to the one with Thanos is lol worthy.
Originally posted by kgkgIf Odin doesn't go all-out like he's done many times before in various ways, then that means he is holding back.
What is your point? Since you skipped the question I will ask again: Just because a comic book doesn’t show Odin absorbing power in battle does not equal to Odin was holding back. Do you agree?
Originally posted by kgkgYou're not even addressing what I said. The UN isn't a manifestation of the Power Cosmic. You can argue standard equipment if you want, but that has nothing to do with the topic here: which is how do we know Odin is going all-out or is he holding back his power.
Sorry what does ownership has to do with Galactus being able to summon UN at will in a fight.
Do want to exclude technology from personal powers because it's not theirs? -
It's all about availability. If someone can summon an IG to any fight at will than that is part of his power-set and he can use that in a battle.lol...So weapons that are not directly created by the user is banned? Are you stupid? Do you want a list of people that use weapons/powers that they didn't create.
Straw-man. You're avoiding the miscomparison you laid. You're the one trying to compare Odin's personal Odinforce reserves, the Odinforce residing in Asgard/Asgardians to equipment. Odin created Mjolnir. Nobody argues that Odin holds back because he doesn't summon Mjolnir to him. What is being argued is that unless #1 Odin exhausts his personal Odinforce reserves (where he usually grows gigantic and induces Odinsleep) or #2 draws upon the Odinforce within Asgard/Asgardians that was originally his, he's not going all out. And it's obvious. That has nothing to do with equipment.
Originally posted by kgkgLet him live after fighting him, true. And Odin found his own initial strikes and blasts ineffective enough to put Thor down. So he fought and blasted him harder until Thor was at his mercy. So does Odin expending more and more effort mean he didn't hold back against Thor?
Sorry to burst you bubble. In that fight Odin had Thor down for the count and he let him Thor live. He wasn't saying you are the strongest foe I faced in EONS while failing to put his opponent down.
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1387/odin2ky.jpgYou comparing this fight to the one with Thanos is lol worthy.
No, it doesn't. Just because Odin is trying to beat his son senseless doesn't mean he's going all out. He's clearly holding back as he's demonstrated far greater power in other fights. Hmmm... now doesn't that sound familiar???
Way to walk right into that one.
Thanos has the combination of intelligence, willpower, and feats that the Serpent fantasizes about while whining about Odin. Serpent's only impressive feat was breaking steve's shield; and he was probably using magic. He was subsequently curb stomped by Odin.
Thanos wins this. they don't belong in the same sentence. Thanos is on another level.
Originally posted by wildernesss
Thanos has the combination of intelligence, willpower, and feats that the Serpent fantasizes about while whining about Odin. Serpent's only impressive feat was breaking steve's shield; and he was probably using magic. He was subsequently curb stomped by Odin.Thanos wins this. they don't belong in the same sentence. Thanos is on another level.
He was curbed by Odin eons ago. Current Serpent should be more powerful because of the fear he caused the world right?
Doesn't matter as Serpent breaking Cap's shield is proof enough. I don't think Thanos face is as durable, do you?
Originally posted by Mindset
Serpent > Cap's shield > Thanos' face.Canon.
By your logic, the Serpent should have broken Thor's face (in the finale of FI) and Odin's face (prior to this); but he couldn't achieve either feat. Unfortunately for Serpent, Thanos defensive/protective abilities are second to none (even above thor's). Thanos has dropped thor's hammer (thrown at him with full force) with a gesture. Thanos has tanked a fulled powered attack from Galactus. The Serpent wouldn't even get close enough to Thanos, let alone penetrate his mystically/technologically based force fields/shields. More importatnly, the Serpent doesn't have the MIND to defeat someone like thanos. he next to zero on panel fighting feats. Lastly, he's uber lame to the point that he stinks of a terribly feeble plot from a soap opera on the verge of cancellation.
serpent is beneath thanos contempt and thus only one feat is neccessary to illustrate just how feeble that feat is in context
- thanos defeated the champion while he was in possession of the power gem. if brute force was the deciding factor in a battle with thanos....champion would have won
