Originally posted by curryman
Time to step away from the computer 🙂
Did you even read Thanos Quest? Thanos shields are superior to thor's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnyVE1go2vs
the serpent is the sandwich in the video; he seemed impressive at first, due to editorial implication....but ultimately, he was eaten....
Originally posted by wildernesss
By your logic, the Serpent should have broken Thor's face (in the finale of FI) and Odin's face (prior to this); but he couldn't achieve either feat. Unfortunately for Serpent, Thanos defensive/protective abilities are second to none (even above thor's). Thanos has dropped thor's hammer (thrown at him with full force) with a gesture. Thanos has tanked a fulled powered attack from Galactus. The Serpent wouldn't even get close enough to Thanos, let alone penetrate his mystically/technologically based force fields/shields. More importatnly, the Serpent doesn't have the MIND to defeat someone like thanos. he next to zero on panel fighting feats. Lastly, he's uber lame to the point that he stinks of a terribly feeble plot from a soap opera on the verge of cancellation.serpent is beneath thanos contempt and thus only one feat is neccessary to illustrate just how feeble that feat is in context
- thanos defeated the champion while he was in possession of the power gem. if brute force was the deciding factor in a battle with thanos....champion would have won
Did Serpent even hit Odin or Thor in the face? Even if he did then we can simply argue that he didn't use the same force against their face as he did the shield. Common sense.
We are actually arguing Thanos from the comic book. That means Thanos would use his shields less than 10% of the time. Hell, current Thanos ( the one that gets weighted more since we argue current characters) doesn't really use shields that much anymore. He gets hit far more often, even by wood. Thor is much more proficient at blocking energy beams (IMO more than 50%). Thor has created stronger shields right?
Anyway, Thor didn't throw the hammer at full force and it still took Thanos more than several feet to stop it (he couldn't stop it instantly). Thor can actually throw the hammer at 2x the speed of light at his best. So Imagine if Thor actually threw it harder. Just because Glads busted a planet doesn't mean that everytime you see him hit someone in comics that he is hitting them with planet busting punches. Agreed?
Thanos defeated Champion by bfr which is not applicable here. This statement was your worst, logically, as.
Originally posted by ODG
If Odin doesn't go all-out like he's done many times before in various ways, then that means he is holding back. You're not even addressing what I said. The UN isn't a manifestation of the Power Cosmic. You can argue standard equipment if you want, but that has nothing to do with the topic here: which is how do we know Odin is going all-out or is he holding back his power.
Please define what a going all out Odin is in battle? I will find you battles where he didn’t go all out by your definition considering the opponent he was facing- it will be laughable. Thank you for answering my question though. It’s funny every Odin fan has their own definition of what going all out Odin is. I’m interesting in hearing yours.
Originally posted by ODG
Straw-man. You're avoiding the miscomparison you laid. You're the one trying to compare Odin's personal Odinforce reserves, the Odinforce residing in Asgard/Asgardians to equipment.
Where did I say that UN had to part of his Power Cosmic? That is something you forced onto me. You are the one that tried to make equipments/tech invalid by saying he didn’t own/create it so it’s different. Then I pointed out character that uses tech/weapon as tools in battle.
Then there is this…..
Originally posted by ODG Odin created Mjolnir. Nobody argues that Odin holds back because he doesn't summon Mjolnir to him.
Sorry were you not following this thread? You replied to me so I’m sure you had to. I used the UN example to holding back as being as silly as people using – Odin HAD TO BE HOLDING BACK if he doesn’t use silly things like the ones listed below.
3) Use his most powerful artifact; the Sceptre of Power...
4) Don the Destroyer Armor... Which is as absurd as me using the UN as an example of Galactus holding back.
Originally posted by ODG
What is being argued is that unless #1 Odin exhausts his personal Odinforce reserves (where he usually grows gigantic and induces Odinsleep) or #2 draws upon the Odinforce within Asgard/Asgardians that was originally his, he's not going all out. And it's obvious. That has nothing to do with equipment. Let him live after fighting him, true. And Odin found his own initial strikes and blasts ineffective enough to put Thor down. So he fought and blasted him harder until Thor was at his mercy. So does Odin expending more and more effort mean he didn't hold back against Thor?
I liked that you said usually 🙂. But he usually grows gigantic when he faces gigantic opponents he doesn’t go gigantic when his opponent are well..Thanos size. Odinsleep is induced when he gets his ass kicked or his powers are exhausted…Sorry did you forget he was winning against Thanos.
Originally posted by ODG
No, it doesn't. Just because Odin is trying to beat his son senseless doesn't mean he's going all out. He's clearly holding back as he's demonstrated far greater power in other fights. Hmmm... now doesn't that sound familiar???Way to walk right into that one.
“But, Already I have said too much- uttered more than I would e’er have dream I must ACT NOW.”
So when Odin decides to ACT he one shots Thor.
Again lol at using this as being similar to the his fight with Thanos where not only does he make it clear that he wants to put Thanos down. He complements him as being one of toughest opponent he faced in EONS, acknowledges his near INFINITE POWER…This compared to Odin one shooting Thor when he decides to ACT.
grasping at straws here ODG
Originally posted by kgkgGenerally speaking, "a going all out Odin in battle" is any time Odin invokes all of his Odinpower and grows gigantic or exhausts himself to the point where he needs Odinsleep immediately, or barring that (because it's not available for some reason), drawing upon the Odinforce within Asgard/Asgardians. Feel free to attack this definition.
Please define what a going all out Odin is in battle? I will find you battles where he didn’t go all out by your definition considering the opponent he was facing- it will be laughable. Thank you for answering my question though. It’s funny every Odin fan has their own definition of what going all out Odin is. I’m interesting in hearing yours.
Originally posted by kgkgWell it's obvious you've just unintentionally confused yourself because you're not addressing anything I've said. Equipment/tech is irrelevant to the notion of an all-out Odin. Gungnir, Mjolnir, the Destroyer armor. None of these things can be converted to raw Odinforce and absorbed into Odin to make him gigantic unlike Asgard/Asgardian lifeforce. So if we both agree equipment, or the lack thereof, is no real indication of holding back or going all-out, then drop this. You're not actually arguing with anything I've said.
Where did I say that UN had to part of his Power Cosmic? That is something you forced onto me. You are the one that tried to make equipments/tech invalid by saying he didn’t own/create it so it’s different. Then I pointed out character that uses tech/weapon as tools in battle.Then there is this…..
Speak for yourself.
Sorry were you not following this thread? You replied to me so I’m sure you had to. I used the UN example to holding back as being as silly as people using – Odin HAD TO BE HOLDING BACK if he doesn’t use silly things like the ones listed below.
Originally posted by kgkgWhich means he wasn't going all-out. At all. Pretty simple.
I liked that you said usually 🙂. But he usually grows gigantic when he faces gigantic opponents he doesn’t go gigantic when his opponent are well..Thanos size. Odinsleep is induced when he gets his ass kicked or his powers are exhausted…Sorry did you forget he was winning against Thanos.
Originally posted by kgkgYou mean he wasn't trying to put Thor down... except when he knocked Thor senseless? Odin attacked him several times. He didn't one shot him.
Senseless? lol he was holding back because Thor is his son … Nowhere in the fight was it clear he was trying to put Thor down. The only time he make it clear that he will put his son down…he one shots him.
Originally posted by kgkgDid you just crop out the scenes where Odin struck Thor with Gungnir and first blasts Thor (which he defended) and where Odin is wrestling with Thor? Please don't stoop so low. I had to deal with this type of bullsh1t faggotry recently and it's really god damn slimy. So don't do it here.
“But, Already I have said too much- uttered more than I would e’er have dream I must ACT NOW.”So when Odin decides to ACT he one shots Thor.
Originally posted by kgkgOdin didn't one-shot Thor. You have the scans, I can only assume you have the comic. So stop lying so blatantly. Odin started fighting with Thor, nailed him on the chin, got another shot deflected, scene cuts away several times in sequence with "Meanwhile..."s to showcase the other battles that were taking place, then eventually returns to when Odin finally puts down Thor after wrestling with him.
Again lol at using this as being similar to the his fight with Thanos where not only does he make it clear that he wants to put Thanos down. He complements him as being one of toughest opponent he faced in EONS, acknowledges his near INFINITE POWER…This compared to Odin one shooting Thor when he decides to ACT.grasping at straws here ODG
So we both agree Odin wasn't anywhere close to going all-out, but he fought Thor who weathered his initial hits and eventually Odin lost his patience and tried to put him down (this time successfully). Which is pretty much exactly how Odin engaged Thanos, i.e., holding back his true immense power that has permitted him to take down amped skyfathers and Abstracts. Sure, Odin held back less when dealing with Thanos than with Thor. But that doesn't reverse-dictate that Odin went all-out against Thanos. That's just retarded.
Originally posted by wildernesssThat's not my logic, it's simply a fact that I have informed you of.
By your logic, the Serpent should have broken Thor's face (in the finale of FI) and Odin's face (prior to this); but he couldn't achieve either feat. Unfortunately for Serpent, Thanos defensive/protective abilities are second to none (even above thor's). Thanos has dropped thor's hammer (thrown at him with full force) with a gesture. Thanos has tanked a fulled powered attack from Galactus. The Serpent wouldn't even get close enough to Thanos, let alone penetrate his mystically/technologically based force fields/shields. More importatnly, the Serpent doesn't have the MIND to defeat someone like thanos. he next to zero on panel fighting feats. Lastly, he's uber lame to the point that he stinks of a terribly feeble plot from a soap opera on the verge of cancellation.serpent is beneath thanos contempt and thus only one feat is neccessary to illustrate just how feeble that feat is in context
- thanos defeated the champion while he was in possession of the power gem. if brute force was the deciding factor in a battle with thanos....champion would have won
Originally posted by Mindset
Serpent > Cap's shield > Thanos' face.Canon.
That's it, I can't contain it anymore
Odin before he merged with his brothers vs the Serpent when he had the entire planet to feed off of
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/MightyThor07pg19.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/MightyThor07pg20.jpg
😖hifty:
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftAhem. Odin spent forty days and forty nights slaughtering Aesheim. Also, Odin had his special armor and Odinsword.
That's it, I can't contain it anymoreOdin before he merged with his brothers vs the Serpent when he had the entire planet to feed off of
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/MightyThor07pg19.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/MightyThor07pg20.jpg😖hifty:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift...
40 days and 40 nights slaughtering people in a maybe city sized area.
Odin said he razed the planet once before to stop the Serpent. Was he talking about some other time he beat him?
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftOdin gave Thor the armor and said it was what protected him when he fought him. What other sword would it be?
Scans saying it's special armor and the Odinsword?
Originally posted by ODGHe did it after he beat him
...Odin said he razed the planet once before to stop the Serpent. Was he talking about some other time he beat him? Odin gave Thor the armor and said it was what protected him when he fought him. What other sword would it be?
Guess I'll go find it myself.
It could be any sword. This was before he merged with his brothers, so I'm wondering if there's any proof it was the Odinsword.
Originally posted by Mindset
That's not my logic, it's simply a fact that I have informed you of.
No, it's your logic. You're assuming that the serpent's ability to break cap's shield via mysticism/magic parlays into the ability to use that feat while in engaged in all out anything goes combat with someone like, oh say, thanos.
if that was a viable option or easily applied ability, he would have used it against Odin in their first encounter. instead, he was curb stomped. Thanos was much more impressive against Odin.
