Star Brand vs Infinity Gauntlet

Started by zopzop10 pages

Originally posted by Sundipped
^^
It's Professor Charles Xavier.
Now you're starting to scare me.

You crossed wires, Sundipped. 🙂
You said Xavier gave Beat the TIME Gem. Galan said he didn't, he gave him the MIND gem.

He knows Xavier's full name, he was just correcting you on the Gem Xavier gave Beast 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
Granted the 616 IG is confirmed as a universal apparatus, but it still has feats that put it WAY above the SB... Heck not too long ago Doom used an alternate IG to create a universe from scratch.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but the feats of an alternate IG aren't interchangeable with the mainstream IG.

@Sundipped: Yeah, it was strange why the time gem simply disappeared instead of shattering like its brethren. Guess it probably has to do with some yet-to-be-revealed timestream mashup related to the multiversal catastrophe that Hickman's been building up in his Avengers issues.

Originally posted by zopzop
You crossed wires, Sundipped. 🙂
You said Xavier gave Beat the TIME Gem. Galan said he didn't, he gave him the MIND gem.

He knows Xavier's full name, he was just correcting you on the Gem Xavier gave Beast 😛

Damn, that's right. That's the one he always had.
Doh smiley for me too. doh

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

@Sundipped: Yeah, it was strange why the time gem simply disappeared instead of shattering like its brethren. Guess it probably has to do with some yet-to-be-revealed timestream mashup related to the multiversal catastrophe that Hickman's been building up in his Avengers issues.

Agreed on the "timestream mashup" theory.

One thing's for sure. Mr Master ain't gonna be happy when he next posts on this forum.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
One thing's for sure. Mr Master ain't gonna be happy when he next posts on this forum.

I feel his pain.
Seems one has a chance against the IG if you can manage to throw a alternate universe at the wielder.
Say it ain't so Hickman/Marvel. 🙂

Did they reveal why the IG broke?

If they didn't I'm going to assume randomly that it was Kang who did it. Just sa'ing.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I understand the point you're trying to make, but the feats of an alternate IG aren't interchangeable with the mainstream IG.
Right. However, at this point it really cannot be denied that Hickman seems to have made all IGs across the multiverse uniform-- that is to say: they all seem to possess equal power, and make their user all-powerful within a single universe. If one IG were more powerful than the others, we would have been made aware of that by now.

So in that sense, infinity gems do seem to be interchangeable.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Damn, that's right. That's the one he always had.
Doh smiley for me too. doh
Oh, I thought you were just messing around.

^
Disregard that quote and let's look at it that way. 👆 😎

Originally posted by zopzop
@Horrificus

Dude, look!

They go boom 😛
Now keep in mind what's been going on in the series AND the preview solicits and I don't think this is a clear cut stomp in the IG's favor. If anything, I think the SB is making a BIG comeback.

But I don't want to jinx it, Marvel has a way of phucking things up.

Hmmmm.
I know everybody is pushing for the all-powerful ig, but the starbrand was never shown to have any limits. They never took it as far as it can go.
It's all up in the air for now.

Originally posted by Galan007
Right. However, at this point it really cannot be denied that Hickman seems to have made all IGs across the multiverse uniform-- that is to say: they all seem to possess equal power, and make their user all-powerful within a single universe. If one IG were more powerful than the others, we would have been made aware of that by now.

So in that sense, infinity gems do seem to be interchangeable.


Fair enough.

Originally posted by Bentley
Did they reveal why the IG broke?

If they didn't I'm going to assume randomly that it was Kang who did it. Just sa'ing.

Nothing solid really, Cap suggested it might've been because he wasn't that competant at using it, which isn't a bad theory seeing as it's been shown before that it takes time to master the IG.

But yeah, I imagine it'll be revealed at some point soon.

But that's a bit weird considering Reed tried to actively destroy the guantlet before -by using the Guantlet itself- and failed. There has to be an explanation (all the better if it happens to be about Kang 😛 )

Something weird was going on. After Cap united the IG, the colors of the gems stopped corresponding as they normally do. For instance, on one page the mind gem inextricably became red, and a few pages later it was green-- it should be blue(as it initially was.) This color-shift happened with every gem. So yeah, something threw the gems out of whack.

Perhaps the IG was overloaded because it only functions within its native universe, yet they used it's power to prevent an alternate universe from melding with theirs at the specific incursion point? Who knows?

Originally posted by Galan007
Something weird was going on. After Cap united the IG, the colors of the gems stopped corresponding as they normally do. For instance, on one page the mind gem inextricably became red, and a few pages later it was green-- it should be blue(as it initially was.) This color-shift happened with every gem. So yeah, something threw the gems out of whack.

Perhaps the IG was overloaded because it only functions within its native universe, yet they used it's power to prevent an alternate universe from melding with theirs at the specific incursion point? Who knows?


I'd say the color variation was probably an illustrative botch.

That looks like a reasonable explanation. Which more or less completely ignores what Magus did with an incomplete IG, but hey, that's Hickman for you, using non-canon source material(Earth-X for Celestials in SHIELD and JLA/Avengers for the IG retcon) as reference points for his stories, even while completely ignoring previous story arcs revolving around the things.

Also, Galan, for some strange reason this scan of yours isn't working for me. Could you please fix that.

Did Quasar use the Star brand in his comic series, I cant remember was it in 616 universe or the New Universe? I'm not going to lie IG has better feats, but the Star Brand does have ridiculous potential and it is cooler looking. Could be the Star Brand and IG are siblings, maybe related to the Infinity Being/Nemesis

Originally posted by the Darkone
Did Quasar use the Star brand in his comic series, I cant remember was it in 616 universe or the New Universe? I'm not going to lie IG has better feats, but the Star Brand does have ridiculous potential and it is cooler looking. Could be the Star Brand and IG are siblings, maybe related to the Infinity Being/Nemesis

Yes he did.

The awesome thing about it was, he didn't even know he had it still while he was in the 616 universe. He thought it burnt out in transition between multiverses.

But even with NO experience or knowledge on how to use it. The Starbrand reconstructed his body after he had been nullified with the Ultimate Nullifier. He beat the crap out of the guy that stole his Q-bands with it too.

Then he passed it on to his girlfriend/fiance. Even her noobish self was able to rezz herself after she had been atomized by an alien cannon, then she went on to destroy the ENTIRE alien fleet. Their was some weird Ol Skool alien that went around absorbing/analyzing powers from various superhumans for his own purposes (forgot the guys name), but when he tried to analyze the mysterious energy in Kayla, he overloaded and blew up.

Then she gave the Starbrand to her friend who turned out to be a Deviant (Erishkigal) in disguise. That chick had the LT on his toes and even he decided it wasn't worth the damage to the multiverse to fight her directly and instead suggested they pick champions to fight on their behalf.

Then there was the whole Starblast storyline, then the New Universe one shots (one of them featured the Starbrand), then the Newuniveral limited series, and now this Avengers arc.

Originally posted by Bentley
But that's a bit weird considering Reed tried to actively destroy the guantlet before -by using the Guantlet itself- and failed. There has to be an explanation (all the better if it happens to be about Kang 😛 )

I have a theory as to why it overloaded. It went up against a superior force :

😛
That's from the Untold Tales of the New Universe : Starbrand one shot

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I'd say the color variation was probably an illustrative botch.

That looks like a reasonable explanation. Which more or less completely ignores what Magus did with an incomplete IG, but hey, that's Hickman for you, using non-canon source material(Earth-X for Celestials in SHIELD and JLA/Avengers for the IG retcon) as reference points for his stories, even while completely ignoring previous story arcs revolving around the things.

I disagree. Personally, I believe it was intentional... An illustrative depiction of the gems freaking out and being overloaded.

That's why I love Hickman. He's logical. 😄

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Also, Galan, for some strange reason this scan of yours isn't working for me. Could you please fix that.
Better?