Star Brand vs Infinity Gauntlet

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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007

That was stated on panel:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15061705/New_Avengers_003-Zone-011.jpg.html

The 616 IG is universal.


Well then, that's that. 👆 (years of continuity ... out the window)

Now all we have to figure is how powerful is the IG withIN its native reality.

Meaning, is the wielder "God" within their native universe? (like MJJ would be within his warp)

Can they stop or defeat anyone within their native universe?

You feel me G?

That newb wielding (cap) feat was decent imo. (he rejected an on coming entire Universe)

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well then, that's that. 👆

Now all we have to figure is how powerful is the IG withIN its native reality.

Meaning, is the wielder "God" within their native universe? (like MJJ would be within his warp)

Can they stop or defeat anyone within their native universe?

You feel me G?

That newb wielding (cap) feat was decent imo. (he rejected an on coming entire Universe)

This is what Hickman's IGs are capable of:

Massively impressive, imo. Granted that wasn't the 616 IG, but clearly Hickman's intention is that all IGs throughout the multiverse are equal in the sense that they all make you omnipotent within a single(native) universe:

So if one IG can create a universe, then logically ALL IGs can do so.

AlmightyKfish This Is No Longer A City.

Any one else reckon that the empty universe Doom went into is the result of an incursion?

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Any one else reckon that the empty universe Doom went into is the result of an incursion?

Not really. That universe was destroyed by a founding member of the Council of Reeds in Fantastic Four # 605.1, using the very same Infinity Gauntlet that Doom is shown wielding in Galan's scans.

It's written by Hickman as well, but it has nothing to do with his current multiversal incursion storyline.

AlmightyKfish This Is No Longer A City.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not really. That universe was destroyed by a founding member of the Council of Reeds in Fantastic Four # 605.1, using the very same Infinity Gauntlet that Doom is shown wielding in Galan's scans.

It's written by Hickman as well, but it has nothing to do with his current multiversal incursion storyline.

Ah fair enough, I didn't read the .1 issue.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not really. That universe was destroyed by a founding member of the Council of Reeds in Fantastic Four # 605.1, using the very same Infinity Gauntlet that Doom is shown wielding in Galan's scans.
👆

@Kfish...

Only 3 members of the Council of Reeds wielded infinity gauntlets:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086650/Fantastic_Four_570_DTs-Megan_pg23.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086651/Fantastic_Four_570_DTs-Megan_pg24.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086652/Fantastic_Four_570_DTs-Megan_pg25.jpg.html

Two of them were killed by the Mad Celestials:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086654/ff_572_004.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086656/ff_572_005.jpg.html

The third IG was used to momentarily pwn several Mad Celestials and then was never seen again(I just noticed that, and it's very weird.)
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086658/ff_572_007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086659/ff_572_008.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086661/ff_572_009.jpg.html<----He's still wearing the IG here.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086662/ff_572_016-017.jpg.html<----A few pages later, it's gone.
Effin' strange, imo.

Anyway, Doom took the 2 aforementioned IGs from the Reed skeletons:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086528/ff-20.jpg.html
And then used the bridge to locate one of their corresponding/native universes, of which was a blank void(see the scans I posted above.)

Why was it a blank void? Because the bearded/Nazi Reed lost control of the IG and his entire universe was destroyed as a result:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086645/f-18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086648/f-19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086649/f-20.jpg.html

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by carver9
Correction. Seen you forgot something.

LOL. Touché
Originally posted by Galan007
This is what Hickman's IGs are capable of:

Massively impressive, imo. Granted that wasn't the 616 IG, but clearly Hickman's intention is that all IGs throughout the multiverse are equal in the sense that they all make you omnipotent within a single(native) universe:

So if one IG can create a universe, then logically ALL IGs can do so.


This is nuts. So SuperGod Herc and Chaos King > any single IG? Think about it. The IG is universal and only functions in it's native reality.

Chaos King has devoured 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE. SuperGod Herc restored 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE (sure he burnt himself out, but whatever).

Damn....

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
This is nuts. So SuperGod Herc and Chaos King > any single IG? Think about it. The IG is universal and only functions in it's native reality.

Chaos King has devoured 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE. SuperGod Herc restored 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE (sure he burnt himself out, but whatever).

Damn....

Here's the thing: even the post-Hickman 616 IG never operated on that scale. That is to say: the IG has never destroyed and recreated 98% of the multiverse. In fact, the only item with a feat of that scale is the 616 UN(which is why the consensus for the past several years has been that the UN has more raw destructive/creative power than the IG, but not the same level of versatility-- which is why the IG is superior overall.)

Either way, put CK or Herc in the same universe as an IG-wielder, and they are going to be dominated inside that universe. An IG-wielder is still all-powerful, that hasn't changed.

Sundipped MURDERER

^^
Beat me to it. Plus CK got retconed into just a aspect of Oblivion. Oblivion himself can't even stand in the same room as the IG.

Bentley Seitei
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Ah fair enough, I didn't read the .1 issue.

Can we stop pretending you read comics at all? biscuits

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Galan007
Here's the thing: even the post-Hickman 616 IG never operated on that scale. That is to say: the IG has never destroyed and recreated 98% of the multiverse. In fact, the only item with a feat of that scale is the 616 UN(which is why the consensus for the past several years has been that the UN has more raw destructive/creative power than the IG, but not the same level of versatility-- which is why the IG is superior overall.)

Either way, put CK or Herc in the same universe as an IG-wielder, and they are going to be dominated inside that universe. An IG-wielder is still all-powerful, that hasn't changed.

pre-Hickman IG, I meant. 🙄

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Galan007
Either way, put CK or Herc in the same universe as an IG-wielder, and they are going to be dominated inside that universe. An IG-wielder is still all-powerful, that hasn't changed.
Considering the Mad Celestials beat back an IG wielder, I don't see how you can think this.

Bentley Seitei
Originally posted by ODG
Considering the Mad Celestials beat back an IG wielder, I don't see how you can think this.

The Mad Celestials are no Galactus 😱

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007

Either way, put CK or Herc in the same universe as an IG-wielder,
and they are going to be dominated inside that universe. An IG-
wielder is still all-powerful, that hasn't changed.


👆 Btw. Thanx for the rest of the input with visuals.

I haven't read these last issues, but you pretty much laid it out accurately.

Originally posted by ODG

Considering the Mad Celestials beat back an IG wielder,
I don't see how you can think this.


^^ If I'm not mistaken they weren't withIN their native realities.

I believe they were hanging out in some Other-dimension where the Council was located.
(that's where the Celestials attacked them)

Wait ...
didn't those alternate IGs work outside their realities but not to their full potential?

I think I remember some alternate Reed creating some major project
on some planet in that another universe.
Although, those alternate IGs could be harnessed outside their universes Fully,
so long as there was some conduit/anchor connecting them to their native realities.
(I guess that's a way to exploit plot in order to get them functioning outside)

Big stipulation though, I agree.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Here's the thing: even the post-Hickman 616 IG never operated on that scale. That is to say: the IG has never destroyed and recreated 98% of the multiverse. In fact, the only item with a feat of that scale is the 616 UN(which is why the consensus for the past several years has been that the UN has more raw destructive/creative power than the IG, but not the same level of versatility-- which is why the IG is superior overall.)

Either way, put CK or Herc in the same universe as an IG-wielder, and they are going to be dominated inside that universe. An IG-wielder is still all-powerful, that hasn't changed.


I get what you are saying Galan but I'm not so sure. We'll see how this plays out with Hickman. On panel, Captain America and the IG, he barely pushed back that other universe AND the Gems shattered as a result, that doesn't seem "all powerful" to me.

Oh and another thing, the IG is 'only' universal in scope yet 4 items from Earth's pantheons (ambrosia, golden apples, thoth's books, and 4th item that escapes me now) are capable of making one into a legit multiversal being!

Man, Marvel is just phucking up left and right. Chaos War should be retconned asap.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by zopzop

On panel, Captain America and the IG, he barely pushed back that
other universe AND the Gems shattered as a result, that doesn't seem "all powerful" to me.


That was Cap a moment after putting on the glove for the first time ever.

Imo, that's pretty uber. He strained, but did push away an entire Universe.

Also, like Hickman stated in that site, it was Cap that failed, not the Gems.
(whatever happened there concerning the shattering Gems, was Cap's fault)
I'm sure the Gems will resurface somehow.
I'm sure they did not truly explode into nothingness.

Originally posted by zopzop

Oh and another thing, the IG is 'only' universal in scope yet 4
items from Earth's pantheons (ambrosia, golden apples, thoth's
books, and 4th item that escapes me now) are capable of making
one into a legit multiversal being!


Supposedly. I don't buy talk until I see something that (in action)
points to anything being a possibility.

That aside, it matters not like Galan said, withIN their native universe,
they make you "God" ...

So step to them, and you get crushed. (they just can't step to you)

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Mr Master
That was Cap a moment after putting on the glove for the first time ever.

Imo, that's pretty uber. He strained, but did push away an entire Universe.

Also, like Hickman stated in that site, it was Cap that failed, not the Gems.
(whatever happened there concerning the shattering Gems, was Cap's fault)
I'm sure the Gems will resurface somehow.
I'm sure they did not truly explode into nothingness.

Supposedly. I don't buy talk until I see something that (in action)
points to anything being a possibility.

That aside, it matters not like Galan said, withIN their native universe,
they make you "God" ...

So step to them, and you get crushed. (they just can't step to you)


But that's the thing Mr. M, they were "stepped to" and they folded, shattered to pieces. I guess you can say that was because Captain America was a fail wielder but they still shattered.

He was in 616 reality using the 616 Gems.

vince_slice B-Class Hero

http://4ms.me/V4czsE

Hmm, so according to Hickman not all the IGs are equal to each other.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Mr Master
If I'm not mistaken they weren't withIN their native realities.

I believe they were hanging out in some Other-dimension where the Council was located.
(that's where the Celestials attacked them)

Wait ...
didn't those alternate IGs work outside their realities but not to their full potential?

I think I remember some alternate Reed creating some major project
on some planet in that another universe.
Although, those alternate IGs could be harnessed outside their universes Fully,
so long as there was some conduit/anchor connecting them to their native realities.
(I guess that's a way to exploit plot in order to get them functioning outside)

Big stipulation though, I agree.

That Reed had access to his native universe so I'm not sure there's a handicap there. Anyway, Doom was in his IG's native dimension and he was overrun too.

Marvel_Mystic Senior Member

Star Brand stomps as far as coolness goes.