Star Brand vs Infinity Gauntlet

Originally posted by zopzop

I still think you are seriously lowballing here my friend.

Originally posted by zopzop

Think about it, of all the times the LT has appeared on panel
(NOT including retcons like the "Brothers", Secret Wars II, etc...)
what has he done?
A) Vs Nebulous (back in the day) - LT beats him after a good fight. Win for the LT
B) Vs Korvac (what if) - LT seals his entire reality preventing anyone from exiting. Win via BFR
C) Vs Warlock with the IG - undoes the damage he did to the
Cosmic Court with a snap of his fingers, surprising Warlock and
then proceeds to take action against him till Warlock relents of his
own free will and submits to the LT. Win for the LT.
D) Vs Protege - the LT loses
E) Vs Sliorath - the LT effortlessly removes a universe devourer
from 616 reality. LT wins via BFR.
F) Vs Thanos with the HotU - the LT loses but only because Thanos
had TOAA's power. So it's not a bad showing for the LT at all.

Originally posted by zopzop

G) Vs Erishkigal with the Starbrand - the LT does NOT WANT to fight
at all. The havoc Eriskigal causes is NOT undone by a snap of his
fingers (as in the Warlock with the IG case). It's also clearly stated
on panel that fighting her for control of the Nexus would cause
MORE damage than her rocking the Cosmic Axis (which was her
whole plan). He instead proposes they fight through proxies.

(already posted the scanned proof)

No wonder the Starbrand practically burnt itself out when it helped
Quasar's Quantum Bands jump from the New Universe to 616:

Heh ...

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Also,
you're overlooking the Starbrand does Not grant any kind of Cosmic Awareness,
at-least not in Erishkigal's case. (and none other I've seen)

(already posted the scanned proof)

Also,
you're overlooking that Erishkigal got an Amp from the 8 Nexus Guardians before the LT scene.

(already posted the scanned proof)

Also, and Most importantly,
you're overlooking the fact that they were withIN the Nexus,
where a battle would affect All Realities,
since from withIN the Nexus access to All realities is simultaneous.

(already posted the scanned proof - how Erish applied a TP call
across the Multiverse via the Nexus portals)

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So, was Erishkigal (with Starbrand only) powerful? Of course, but so is Phoenix.

Was Erishkigal (with Starnbrand only) Universal? Never depicted to be even close.

Was Erishkigal (with Starbrand only) Multiversal? Heck No!

Was Erishkigal (with Starbrand only) shown to affect reality at all? Nah.

Why didn't the LT just pwn this cat? Plot. It's a Quasar book and he's the hero.

Originally posted by zopzop

This doesn't strike you as odd? If the Starbrand is nothing, then
why couldn't he put his foot down and stomp her? Hell, why not
BFR back into the New Universe or another reality (as we've seen
the Starbrand does NOT grant omniscience so she probably
wouldn't find her way back)? Or seal her off in a pocket reality and
separate it from the rest of the multiverse?

Another thing, once the IG was in the LT's power, his judgement
prevented it from working.....period. The Gems could not function
in unison until the LT lifted his ruling.

Yet with the Starbrand, even when Eriskigal forfeited it to him, he
couldn't destroy it, claim it for his own (like he did with the Protege
by absorbing him into himself), or will it not to work! In fact, he
was forced to "hide it in plain sight" by secretly giving it back to Kayla.

Furthermore, when the Starblast story arc concluded, the LT
demanded Stranger return the New Universe Earth back to the New
Universe multiverse, but the Stranger told him that wasn't wise,
since it would let loose a "hideously powerful entity" aka Skeletron
with the Starbrand. The LT quickly changed his mind and decided
to instead seal off the New Universe Earth from the rest of 616 reality.

Again, this doesn't strike you as odd? Why not shunt it back to it's
original multiverse and stomp Skeletron if he got uppity? The LT
wanted NONE of that.

Finally regarding the UN and Abraxas and crew. Abraxas feared
the UN. The Starbrand laughed in it's face. Quasar, who wasn't
even AWARE he had the Starbrand, recreated himself after being
NULLIFIED (when the Magus with the IG turned it against Quasar)!

The UN itself is nothing to the Starbrand.

Originally posted by zopzop

Because that "potential peer" to the abstracts statement that's being used against
the SB is meaningless as an insult to the SB.

This is Gruenwald we are talking about. He had Anomaly Maelstrom laugh off the IG :

Nothing happened in that scene, like at all,
that signifies any categorization between the IG & Maelstrom.

"he laughed:" .. then ran away! ... Why not stay and fight? Smart move on the writer.

Originally posted by zopzop

In a reality where Quasar failed to stop Maelstrom (written by Gruenwald again), IG
Thanos and Anomaly Maelstrom (BEFORE HIS OBLIVION amp, since he never
died in the black hole in this reality) is easily Thanos' equal :

And Maelstrom's handbook entry confirms this

Therefore completely inconsequential and irrelevant.

On top of that, that Bio has NO relation to that What IF scene,
you also have No proof Thanos even has an alternate IG there,
that's a KMC myth!
There's no evidence as to what Thanos' power-source is in that "What If" world.

I don't remember ever seeing an IG on Thanos's hand in any of the illustrations with Thanos/Maelstrom.

Take a good look and notice:

Although since it's a 'What If' world its meaningless.

Originally posted by zopzop

This very same Maelstrom was still subservient to the ABSTRACT Oblivion and
was amped by him to take on Infinity/Quasar :

So Gruenwald putting that statement in the LT's mouth isn't a jab at the Starbrand.
Far from it. Being a peer to the Abstracts means > than the IG. That's how
Gruenwald saw it and the Handbook entry agrees.

Originally posted by zopzop

I'm not "stuck" on anything. Gruenwald made it clear, the LT wanted NO part of the
Starbrand. The LT was ready to get a posse on her ass. Once he had possession
of the Starbrand he couldn't depower it or destroy it or claim it. Look at what he did
to the IG once they came under his power. He SHUT THEM DOWN.

There is no counter argument to this. The LT did to the IG something he COULD
NOT DO to the Starbrand. Starbrand > IG.

What has the Starbrand done again?

What? ...

Has it destroyed/created/remade a Multiverse, or Universe,
or pocket-Dimension,
or Galaxy, or Sun, or World?

How about a country, ... well, at-least a city right?

Wait .. No to all?

Goodness ...
... has it done anything at all except kill a weakened Man-Thing and some other Nexus guardians?

Don't bring up unbalancing Order & Chaos, because the Nexus was necessary for that.

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Nah my friend,
your whole argument here is based on plot induced CIS! concerning the LT,
therefore based on his plot induced "non-action" against the Starbrand you've
mistakingly used this story prolonging maneuver (on the writer's part) as a basis to
hype up the Starbrand when it's done nothing to merit such esteem.

It's all based on implied power but without a single shred of reasoning behind it.

The LT "not interfering" because a story has to see its way through is not convincing for me.

Originally posted by zopzop

Because that "potential peer" to the abstracts statement that's being used against the SB is meaningless as an insult to the SB.

This is Gruenwald we are talking about. He had Anomaly Maelstrom laugh off the IG :

In a reality where Quasar failed to stop Maelstrom (written by Gruenwald again), IG Thanos and Anomaly Maelstrom (BEFORE HIS OBLIVION amp, since he never died in the black hole in this reality) is easily Thanos' equal :

And Maelstrom's handbook entry confirms this :

This very same Maelstrom was still subservient to the ABSTRACT Oblivion and was amped by him to take on Infinity/Quasar :

So Gruenwald putting that statement in the LT's mouth isn't a jab at the Starbrand. Far from it. Being a peer to the Abstracts means > than the IG. That's how Gruenwald saw it and the Handbook entry agrees.[/B]

Well looks like Malestrom knew what he was up against UNDER GREENWALD. Scan from Mr.M.

A few other points though:
For one, you can take that alternate reality scan and stick it in your back pocket because i's non cannon. Complete with the words "What If" and a Watcher present on the cover: Nothing more than a sun was blown up anyway.

Sticking with the "potential peers" theme, LT made the Starbrand appear even weaker. And what feats do these peers have? Things like PERISHING in black holes.

^The space gem alone should be able to accomplish that.

And Maelstrom again with the" full backing" of Oblivion has a cosmic awareness lapse and is consumed by the quantum bands.

Yep. LT was spot on about where Eriskigal ranks among these so called peers. Potentially at best. 👆

Originally posted by zopzop [/B]I'm not "stuck" on anything. Gruenwald made it clear, the LT wanted NO part of the Starbrand. The LT was ready to get a posse on her ass. Once he had possession of the Starbrand he couldn't depower it or destroy it or claim it. Look at what he did to the IG once they came under his power. He SHUT THEM DOWN.

There is no counter argument to this. The LT did to the IG something he COULD NOT DO to the Starbrand. Starbrand > IG. [/B]

The only thing the writer portrayed was that LTs categorization of Eriskigal was correct which is among the likes of Maelstrom. Whom you brought up. You're continuing to ignore why the LT refused the Starbrand. It's a omniversal clause which would force him to resign his multiversal authority. That is far more important.

hmm, now-a-days that alternate ig=the 616 ig, so.....that what if feat by maelstrom is monstrous....

What alternate IG?

Not the What If from the above scans cause T doesn't have one there.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What alternate IG?

Not the What If from the above scans cause T doesn't have one there.

hmm, you're right. 'pologies for the confusion. i swore there was a what if where thanos had the ig and fought maelstrom.....just assumed that was it. how was thanos empowered in the what if zop was showing?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I still do not good friend.

All true.

My friend,
you're overlooking the fact,
that Erishkigal had to expend vast amounts of energy with Starbrand to open dimensional portals,
this is why she was so happy to enter the Nexus.

(already posted the scanned proof)

No wonder the Starbrand practically burnt itself out when it helped
Quasar's Quantum Bands jump from the New Universe to 616:

Heh ...

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Also,
you're overlooking the Starbrand does Not grant any kind of Cosmic Awareness,
at-least not in Erishkigal's case. (and none other I've seen)

(already posted the scanned proof)

Also,
you're overlooking that Erishkigal got an Amp from the 8 Nexus Guardians before the LT scene.

(already posted the scanned proof)

Also, and Most importantly,
you're overlooking the fact that they were withIN the Nexus,
where a battle would affect All Realities,
since from withIN the Nexus access to All realities is simultaneous.

(already posted the scanned proof - how Erish applied a TP call
across the Multiverse via the Nexus portals)

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So, was Erishkigal (with Starbrand only) powerful? Of course, but so is Phoenix.

Was Erishkigal (with Starnbrand only) Universal? Never depicted to be even close.

Was Erishkigal (with Starbrand only) Multiversal? Heck No!

Was Erishkigal (with Starbrand only) shown to affect reality at all? Nah.

Why didn't the LT just pwn this cat? Plot. It's a Quasar book and he's the hero.

Plot rules! 👆

In fact, when Quasar laughed in the face of Nullification, he had only a FRACTION of the Starbrand. The residue all former wielders have till they burn through it. Kayla had the whole thing!

You keep bringing up the Nexus as a way to diminish the Brand but as we've seen, why didn't the LT snap his fingers, like he did with Warlock and the IG and undo the damage she was doing? Why didn't he put his foot down and crush her without resorting to threats to bring in a cosmic posse to put her down? Why did he say fighting her directly would cause MORE damage than her rocking the Cosmic Axis?

And you can't blame it on plot, the second time the LT had a chance to face off against the Starbrand, guess what happened my friend? He decided NOT to even try.

Beings like Eternity, Abraxas, etc.. fear or are subject to nullification yet the fraction of the Starbrand, which the wielder wasn't even AWARE he had, undid being nullified and destroyed MULTIPLE times.

And the PF was almost killed by Freaking IRON MAN. Look up the Godkiller issue of Iron Man if you don't believe me. 😕

Originally posted by Mr Master
A newb IG wielding Thanos in a Quasar book where Maelstrom is the hot shot at the time.

Nothing happened in that scene, like at all,
that signifies any categorization between the IG & Maelstrom.

"he laughed:" .. then ran away! ... Why not stay and fight? Smart move on the writer.

That's a "What If" Alternate Diverged Reality (NON-Canon to anything pertaining to 616)

Therefore completely inconsequential and irrelevant.

On top of that, that Bio has NO relation to that What IF scene,
you also have No proof Thanos even has an alternate IG there,
that's a KMC myth!
There's no evidence as to what Thanos' power-source is in that "What If" world.

[b]I don't remember ever seeing an IG on Thanos's hand in any of the illustrations with Thanos/Maelstrom.

Take a good look and notice:

Although since it's a 'What If' world its meaningless.

I disagree completely. Handbooks can burn if they conflict On Panel truth.

Wait ... enough with this.

What has the Starbrand done again?

What? ...

Has it destroyed/created/remade a Multiverse, or Universe,
or pocket-Dimension,
or Galaxy, or Sun, or World?

How about a country, ... well, at-least a city right?

Wait .. No to all?

Goodness ...
... has it done anything at all except kill a weakened Man-Thing and some other Nexus guardians?

Don't bring up unbalancing Order & Chaos, because the Nexus was necessary for that.

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Nah my friend,
your whole argument here is based on plot induced CIS! concerning the LT,
therefore based on his plot induced "non-action" against the Starbrand you've
mistakingly used this story prolonging maneuver (on the writer's part) as a basis to
hype up the Starbrand when it's done nothing to merit such esteem.

It's all based on implied power but without a single shred of reasoning behind it.

The LT "not interfering" because a story has to see its way through is not convincing for me. [/B]

I was FULLY aware that was an ALT reality that I linked to featuring Maelstrom and Thanos going at it. The point was it was written by Gruenwald and referenced NO OTHER ALT reality known (ie it doesn't reference a What if issue). So this is how he saw Thanos with the IG. As an equal to Maelstrom with the Q-bands and Anomaly. Confirming what happened in 616 reality when Maelstrom laughed off an IG blast and operated completely outside Thanos' senses. The handbook confirms what happened in 616 reality AS WRITTEN BY GRUENWALD.

So the LT saying that the Starbrand was a peer to the abstracts when wielded by a person WHO JUST GOT IT IN THE PREVIOUS ISSUE (seriously she had it for like 24 or so hours comic time), isn't an insult when you consider how GRUENWALD saw the relationship of power between the IG and the Abstracts.

And what has Infinity done? What has Eternity done? Lord Order/Master Chaos? etc... How many realities have they busted? Created? etc...?

Now let me ask you a question, how many abstracts have DARED laugh in the face of an enraged LT? How many times has the LT wanted to avoid a fight?

And it wasn't just plot driven. Even after the Eriskigal affair, the LT wanted NO part of Skeletron. He was all hot to trot to return the New Universe earth back to the New Universe Multiverse till Stranger straight up said I'm not doing that because it would release Skeletron with the Starbrand. It was the LT that backed down and instead isolated the New Universe earth from 616 reality.

So it was plot driven not once, but twice?

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, now-a-days that alternate ig=the 616 ig, so.....that what if feat by maelstrom is monstrous....

Originally posted by Mr Master
What alternate IG?

Not the What If from the above scans cause T doesn't have one there.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, you're right. 'pologies for the confusion. i swore there was a what if where thanos had the ig and fought maelstrom.....just assumed that was it. how was thanos empowered in the what if zop was showing?

Earth-Quasar Lost Cosmos in Collision apparently diverged from Earth-616 during Maelstrom's attempt to destroy the universe (Quasar#19-25). Quasar died, slain by Maelstrom, and Maelstrom continued with his plans. However, Thanos, who had the Infinity Gauntlet, had enough power to stand up to him.

Since this reality diverged during the Cosmos In Collision arc in Quasar and during that time Thanos HAD the IG.

Originally posted by leonidas

hmm, you're right. 'pologies for the confusion. i swore there was
a what if where thanos had the ig and fought maelstrom.....just
assumed that was it. how was thanos empowered in the what if zop
was showing?

I, along with all others I presume were taken by that kmc myth since back when.
In actuality, there never was a What If or any other comic where that happened.
No one (at-least I have no idea)
how either of them are being empowered in that scene.

It's logical to assume it's alternate versions of the present crisis at the time,
but not necessarily so since realities can/do diverge into different histories than 616's.
... whatever it was, Thanos didn't have an IG, and the scale of
power presented was them struggling over a single star/sun.
Not bad, but I can see skyfathers (amongst a host of others) in that scenario,
something unworthy of Two would be God-like powers. Imo.
... heck, Kubik & Kosmos hold stars in their hands like jelly beans.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Well looks like Malestrom knew what he was up against UNDER GREENWALD. Scan from Mr.M.

A few other points though:
For one, you can take that alternate reality scan and stick it in your back pocket because i's non cannon. Complete with the words "What If" and a Watcher present on the cover: Nothing more than a sun was blown up anyway.

Sticking with the "potential peers" theme, LT made the Starbrand appear even weaker. And what feats do these peers have? Things like [B]PERISHING in black holes.

^The space gem alone should be able to accomplish that.

And Maelstrom again with the" full backing" of Oblivion has a cosmic awareness lapse and is consumed by the quantum bands.

Yep. LT was spot on about where Eriskigal ranks among these so called peers. Potentially at best. 👆

I straight up stated it was from an alt reality(the Thanos/maelstrom showdown) but the point was it was written by GRUENWALD. Further cementing the brief encounter Thanos and Maelstrom had under his pen in the Cosmos In Collision arc and further giving credit to the Handbook entry regarding the 616 encounter with Thanos/Maelstrom.

The only thing the writer portrayed was that LTs categorization of Eriskigal was correct which is among the likes of Maelstrom. Whom you brought up. You're continuing to ignore why the LT refused the Starbrand. It's a omniversal clause which would force him to resign his multiversal authority. That is far more important.

Yeah that's why he depowered it like he depowered the IG when it came under his authority right? Oh no wait, he didn't and couldn't. FAIL. 😆

Originally posted by zopzop
He DID have the IG. Even Marvel Appendix says so. It could have been artist error.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthqualostc.htm
[/B]

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, my friend, you continue to lowball here.

You're telling me everything but you're showing me nothing. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop

The Starbrand NEVER burnt itself out. It was hidden under Quasar's Quantum
Bands and passed on to Kayla, when he hugged her and Ken when he returned
from the New Universe.

The most I found is that it was so powerful it was able to destroy a City:

Originally posted by zopzop

In fact, when Quasar laughed in the face of Nullification, he had only a
FRACTION of the Starbrand. The residue all former wielders have till they burn
through it. Kayla had the whole thing!

I don't remember Quasar "laughing" at anything.

Originally posted by zopzop

You keep bringing up the Nexus as a way to diminish the Brand but as we've
seen, why didn't the LT snap his fingers, like he did with Warlock and the IG and
undo the damage she was doing? Why didn't he put his foot down and crush her
without resorting to threats to bring in a cosmic posse to put her down? Why did he
say fighting her directly would cause MORE damage than her rocking the Cosmic Axis?

And you can't blame it on plot, the second time the LT had a chance to face off
against the Starbrand, guess what happened my friend? He decided NOT to even try.

The Starbrand, OUTSIDE the Nexus, was NEVER a threat to reality. (single or otherwise)

Perhaps on paper, but Never On Panel!

Originally posted by zopzop

Beings like Eternity, Abraxas, etc.. fear or are subject to nullification yet the
fraction of the Starbrand, which the wielder wasn't even AWARE he had, undid
being nullified and destroyed MULTIPLE times.

Did Quasar tank getting nullified?

No.

Originally posted by zopzop
He didn't just laugh and run away. He approached, COMPLETELY unsensed by
Thanos, sh|t talked him, withstood an IG blast, then warped away with Thanos in
total ignorance of who he was, what just happened, or where he went.

I remember Mael being obliterated, then re-appearing. How/WTF is anyone's guess.

Originally posted by zopzop

I was FULLY aware that was an ALT reality that I linked to featuring Maelstrom and
Thanos going at it. The point was it was written by Gruenwald and referenced NO
OTHER ALT reality known (ie it doesn't reference a What if issue). So this is how
he saw Thanos with the IG. As an equal to Maelstrom with the Q-bands and
Anomaly. Confirming what happened in 616 reality when Maelstrom laughed off
an IG blast and operated completely outside Thanos' senses. The handbook
confirms what happened in 616 reality AS WRITTEN BY GRUENWALD.

So the LT saying that the Starbrand was a peer to the abstracts when wielded by a
person WHO JUST GOT IT IN THE PREVIOUS ISSUE (seriously she had it for like
24 or so hours comic time), isn't an insult when you consider how GRUENWALD
saw the relationship of power between the IG and the Abstracts.

I don't care how Gruenwalfd supposedly saw it,
if On Panel neither Maelstrom nor this silly Starbrand did anything of significant consequence.

Maelstrom with All his Amps plus Oblivion's backing was STALEMATED by Infinity!

It's not my fault, Gruenwald was on shrooms
and forgot he literally placed Oblivion/infinity Eternity/Death as EQUALS!

Thanos IG shitstomped Eternity in ONE move!

That's all there is to say about that.

Originally posted by zopzop

And what has Infinity done?

What has Eternity done?

Lord Order/Master Chaos?

etc... How many realities have they busted? Created? etc...?

But why go there when you asked for specifics, as in "How many realities have they busted? Created?"

I don't know if you can put a number on how many,
but we do now they Obliterate and Create Entire UniverseS All Day, Every Day!

Chaos/Order are more low key, but they bfr'd Galactus out of their Universe like he was a gnat,
they owned the Ib-Betweener.

This isn't gonna work cause as Conceptual Abstracts that work for reality,
their agenda is to maintain balance, and help ensure the Universe endures.
So it isn't gonna be common place to see them affecting reality negatively
but rather to perform the function they were created for. They're power is in their existence.

Eternity/Infinity on the other hand play that other function and it was witnessed!

Originally posted by zopzop

Now let me ask you a question, how many abstracts have DARED laugh in the face
of an enraged LT? How many times has the LT wanted to avoid a fight?

And it wasn't just plot driven. Even after the Eriskigal affair, the LT wanted NO part
of Skeletron. He was all hot to trot to return the New Universe earth back to the
New Universe Multiverse till Stranger straight up said I'm not doing that because it
would release Skeletron with the Starbrand. It was the LT that backed down and
instead isolated the New Universe earth from 616 reality.

So it was plot driven not once, but twice?

We have killing a weakened Man-Thing, and several other Nexus guardians,
and destroying a City on some world in the New Universe.

We have also have a claim by the LT
... she may be a "Potential Peer to the Abstracts ...
but could NEVER withstand the power of the LT"

iMO =

Originally posted by zopzop

He DID have the IG.
Even Marvel Appendix says so. It could have been artist error.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthqualostc.htm

Since this reality diverged during the Cosmos In Collision arc in
Quasar and during that time Thanos HAD the IG. [/B]

I love Marvunapp, but that's not the first time I see them making a mistake.

On Panel, Thanos does not have an IG.

And even he did and it was an artist's mistake, it still makes no difference,
since as we know and per forum rules it's Non-Canon to 616.
Therefore regardless if you're making a point, it's dismissed like it would be in court.

Originally posted by zopzop

Maelstrom made that comment about the QUANTUM BANDS and he
said MAY.

So to Gruenwald the Quantum Bands were in the same
league as the IG!

And both were inferior to true abstracts

"to Gruenwald the Quantum Bands were in the same
league as the IG!"

If that's the case, then either Gruenwald WAS on drugs as it's been rumored,
or, he was slipping and didn't know WTF he was talking about.

Quantum Bands are = to the IG? Especially vs Thanos? 😆 😂

That goes for Abstracts too. LOL!

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As for the IG being below the Abstracts:

Originally posted by zopzop

I straight up stated it was from an alt reality(the
Thanos/maelstrom showdown) but the point was it was written by
GRUENWALD. Further cementing the brief encounter Thanos and
Maelstrom had under his pen in the Cosmos In Collision arc and
further giving credit to the Handbook entry regarding the 616
encounter with Thanos/Maelstrom.

Don't get me wrong, I like to burn too stoned
but considering the comedy here,
I'm sure he caught that hawk and didn't float down for days.

Originally posted by zopzop
He DID have the IG. Even Marvel Appendix says so. It could have been artist error.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthqualostc.htm

Since this reality diverged during the Cosmos In Collision arc in Quasar and during that time Thanos HAD the IG. [/B]

yeah, that makes sense to me logically--quasar might have figured it out for himself but he had his memory wiped of when he met thanos. anywho, this is from the next issue where quasar actually travels beyond the multiverse and into the greater OMNIVERSE. funny thing zop--only the starbrand could get him home! it appears that its powers extend across the entire omniverse! 😂

anyway, here's a scan that (imo) shows the gauntlet on thanos's hand.

http://imageshack.us/f/703/quasar31p03.jpg/

maybe it's lacking the usual colours for whatever reason, but i think those are certainly intended to be the gems. that scan, along with the time that particular reality apparently diverged, and the mention in the editor's notes about quasar forgetting about the ig, is enough to have me believe that thanos was indeed empowered by the ig in that alternate reality and that it likely was an artistic error that the ig was left out in the first part of the story.

Originally posted by leonidas

yeah, that makes sense to me logically--quasar might have
figured it out for himself but he had his memory wiped of when he
met thanos. anywho, this is from the next issue where quasar
actually travels beyond the multiverse and into the greater
OMNIVERSE. funny thing zop--only the starbrand could get him
home! it appears that its powers extend across the entire omniverse!

Omniverse? Damn leo,
it only helped Quasar's Quantum Bands quantum jump out of one reality into another.

How do you see that as an "omniversal power?"

Heck, the Soul Gem alone did that when it escaped to the Ultraverse with Rune.

This would mean the Soul Gem's power extends across the
omniverse cause it can portal from one Multiverse to another.

Also, let's not forget,
Quasar still had to use the Nexus as a roadway to accomplish that.

Originally posted by leonidas

anyway, here's a scan that (imo) shows the gauntlet on thanos's hand.

http://imageshack.us/f/703/quasar31p03.jpg/

maybe it's lacking the usual colours for whatever reason, but i think
those are certainly intended to be the gems. that scan, along with
the time that particular reality apparently diverged, and the
mention in the editor's notes about quasar forgetting about the ig, is
enough to have me believe that thanos was indeed empowered by
the ig in that alternate reality and that it likely was an artistic error
that the ig was left out in the first part of the story.

While Thanos' IG has always been Left handed, and the Gems are
spread across the top of the hand behind the knuckles.

That's not an artistic error imo, that doesn't resemble the IG at all.

Then again, it matters little, still a What IF, so still inconsequential.

Also, I can't accept that because Hickman came out now 20 Years later,
and made All IG's God-Like withIN their respective realities
this somehow applies to this scenario.

If there is an invisible Alternate IG there, it can be as weak as IM's Alt. IG,
who needed Galactus to help him re-create a single Planet.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, he used his Quantum Bands. The Starbrand boosted the Quantum Bands.

Omniverse? Damn leo,
it only helped Quasar's Quantum Bands quantum jump out of one reality into another.

How do you see that as an "omniversal power?"

Heck, the Soul Gem alone did that when it escaped to the Ultraverse with Rune.

This would mean the Soul Gem's power extends across the
omniverse cause it can portal from one Multiverse to another.

Also, let's not forget,
Quasar still had to use the Nexus as a roadway to accomplish that.

i wasn't being entirely serious about the starbrand....did find the mention of it in an omniversal-based story kinda cool though.

White Gems on the knuckle area of the glove on the Right hand.

While Thanos' IG has always been Left handed, and the Gems are
spread across the top of the hand behind the knuckles.

That's not an artistic error imo, that doesn't resemble the IG at all.

Then again, it matters little, still a What IF, so still inconsequential.

Also, I can't accept that because Hickman came out now 20 Years later,
and made All IG's God-Like withIN their respective realities
this somehow applies to this scenario.

If there is an invisible Alternate IG there, it can be as weak as IM's Alt. IG,
who needed Galactus to help him re-create a single Planet. [/B]

but IM is a complete idiot and is used primarily for comedic purposes so him not being able to use the ig for anything isn't really surprising. and while i agree that the scan in and of itself may not be completely telling, along with the other stuff i mentioned, it's enough to have me believing he had the gauntlet.

i get what you're saying about the alt ig's, but that's the way of retcons. i still think it's asinine that after all that sh!t lt and spectre went through in that dc/marvel x-over we are later shown lt simply holding the brothers in his hand. very few retcons are completely smooth and paradoxes and forced reinterpretations are the norm. i think about the only solace to be found is in the USER, not the ig. easy enough to say that THAT thanos evidently wasn't as competent as ours, if one were of a mind to, and no one could really prove otherwise. it becomes a battle of opinion at that point.

^^ I can't argue with that. That's spot on, and I agree. 👆

I did lend to the idea that it logically is an alt IG,
but you already highlighted the rest.

I guess my last word on it is, we should start referring to the IG as we
have with other things that have been retconned.

So Classic IG and Post-retcon IG?

Although, we should be clear, according to Hickman,
it seems the only difference is the range affected by the IG. (universal)

But withIN said Universe, one is undefeatble, indeed ... All Powerful!