Justice League (2018)

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm half and half on MoS in general. For me, there are a lot of good ideas and intentions, but the execution of said ideas ranges from decent to outright poor.

It got super cool action scenes, the best villain characterization in DCEU(Zod and Faora), the design was cool, the plot is overall ok. But the dark "world hates superhero" tone was a letdown, I don't think that's what ppl want to see from Superman and that was not what DCEU needed at that time.

Overall as the origin movie it was fine, but the sequel, instead of discarding its flaw, chose to further expand on it and it turned to be a disaster.

When the universe has just started to build, the team is not gathered up yet, the last thing you want to do is to create such deep conflict among the heroes or show the world's fear/hate against them because there is no enough setup and ppl don't want to see it, nor does it help you build up the Justice League.

Originally posted by Slowpoke
It got super cool action scenes, the best villain characterization in DCEU(Zod and Faora), the design was cool, the plot is overall ok. But the dark "world hates superhero" tone was a letdown, I don't think that's what ppl want to see from Superman and that was not what DCEU needed at that time.

Overall as the origin movie it was fine, but the sequel, instead of discarding its flaw, chose to further expand on it and it turned to be a disaster.

When the universe has just started to build, the team is not gathered up yet, the last thing you want to do is to create such deep conflict among the heroes or show the world's fear/hate against them because there is no enough setup and ppl don't want to see it, nor does it help you build up the Justice League.

I blame Snyder and Goyer for that, and to a lesser extent, Nolan. They wanted to make a Superman that existed in a more real, more believable world, and to do that you need to find a really, really good balance or things fall kinda flat.

One thing I think Justice League did well, even in short bursts, was give us a Superman that was more in-line with the kind of Superman that SHOULD be on-screen.

If they're going with the whole "Superman had to die for everyone, including himself, to see how important he is" thing, then I'll forgive it if the result is a positive one.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I blame Snyder and Goyer for that, and to a lesser extent, Nolan. They wanted to make a Superman that existed in a more real, more believable world, and to do that you need to find a really, really good balance or things fall kinda flat.

One thing I think Justice League did well, even in short bursts, was give us a Superman that was more in-line with the kind of Superman that SHOULD be on-screen.

If they're going with the whole "Superman had to die for everyone, including himself, to see how important he is" thing, then I'll forgive it if the result is a positive one.

Goyer sucks, Zack Snyder got what he's really good at, but his storytelling is a big problem.

It's understandable, but being more "real" doesn't mean it got to be so dark and depressing. MoS could have been on WW's reception level if these unfavorable elements were gone. It got better villains and fighting scenes.

Justice League is on the right track, it is just paying for BVS and SS' bad reception.

Honest assesment of the characters:

Superman is perfect
Wonder Woman is perfect
Cyborg is perfect

Aquaman is so so
Flash they kind of over played the nerdy thing

Batman...why the phuck couldn't that fat a$$ affleck just lose a few lbs. his face is fat and even his hands are fat. he just looked like a fat a$$ in a cheap suit with abs. For real. he sucks

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Goyer sucks, Zack Snyder got what he's really good at, but his storytelling is a big problem.

It's understandable, but being more "real" doesn't mean it got to be so dark and depressing. MoS could have been on WW's reception level if these unfavorable elements were gone. It got better villains and fighting scenes.

Justice League is on the right track, it is just paying for BVS and SS' bad reception.

I'm a big fan of Snyder in terms of what he can do visually, but I think it's too late to bring him back as just a director with the oversight of talented writers and producers, so they're going to have to find someone else that can do good action scenes.

That's the issue though: To a lot of people, realistic is grim and depressing. Anything too "sunny" isn't realistic to them.

It really is. It doesn't deserve to be where it is financially imo.

Originally posted by Raisen
Honest assesment of the characters:

Superman is perfect
Wonder Woman is perfect
Cyborg is perfect

Aquaman is so so
Flash they kind of over played the nerdy thing

Batman...why the phuck couldn't that fat a$$ affleck just lose a few lbs. his face is fat and even his hands are fat. he just looked like a fat a$$ in a cheap suit with abs. For real. he sucks

TBH that might have been intentional. There was a thread through the whole movie of Batfleck being too old for Batman. Look at how he performed against the Parademons for example.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm a big fan of Snyder in terms of what he can do visually, but I think it's too late to bring him back as just a director with the oversight of talented writers and producers, so they're going to have to find someone else that can do good action scenes.

That's the issue though: To a lot of people, realistic is grim and depressing. Anything too "sunny" isn't realistic to them.

It really is. It doesn't deserve to be where it is financially imo.

TBH that might have been intentional. There was a thread through the whole movie of Batfleck being too old for Batman. Look at how he performed against the Parademons for example.

i guess man. i think affleck is just not a good batman. and he's never been in shape. people have to look the part to play superheroes. even old ones.

Originally posted by Raisen
i guess man. i think affleck is just not a good batman. and he's never been in shape. people have to look the part to play superheroes. even old ones.

I thought he was fine in BVS, and I liked his actual performance in JL too. I think he is a good Batman; they just have to make it the right kind of Batman.

TBH, if I had to guess, my thought is that Flashpoint will **** with the timeline enough that we get a new Batman that's younger because a) it suits the rest of the characters best, and b) Affleck is ****ing off and they need to replace him with someone that will play the character for several future movies.

Various problems....

- DC movie studios, there really isn't a DC studios. No one in charge calling the shots.

- The executives do most of the shot calling and they don't have a clue how to make these movies work.

- Everything is reactionary. Marvel does something and DC rushes to do the same. "Hurry lets get a team up movie out there as soon as possible", People seem to like classic rock music in these movie, hurry and put it in ours too!" People are reacting well to lightheartedness and humor, YES put that in stat!" etc.
It all feels unnatural and rushed.

- Snyder should have not been the main director for these movies. But like I said previously, the executives are really in charge and Deborah Snyder is one of them.

- Everything feels rushed. They expect the general audience to just fall in love with characters they half assedly just throw into these movies. If they wanted to do a shared Universe they should have copied what Marvel did step by step. I mean the plan was layed out for them to follow step by step. Instead they tried to copy it the wrong way while trying to do it their own way (which was to rush shit) and its all a jumbled mess now.

- wasted big enemies and events (like the death of Supes and Doomsday). Things that could have been build up to were just wasted.

I could go on and on. This summed it up nicely:

MCU worked because it built to their teamup slowly, over years.
They made you excited for it, they made you actually want it.
MCU gave us slow and sensual cunnilingus, ultimately bringing us to an explosive orgasm, while DC showed up out of nowhere, shoved their dick in our a$$hole, and immediately blew their load 5 times in a row

another thing too. the jl humor didn't do it for me at all. a lot of the marvel humor doesn't either but the jl stuff was trying too hard.

let me play a short, bald batman and i'll do it. like a alternate future batman that beat cancer or some shiit. and i won't even get in trouble messing with broads like affleck does.

hire me.

i'd rather do marvel movies but i'm poor mother phucker.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought he was fine in BVS, and I liked his actual performance in JL too. I think he is a good Batman; they just have to make it the right kind of Batman.

TBH, if I had to guess, my thought is that Flashpoint will **** with the timeline enough that we get a new Batman that's younger because a) it suits the rest of the characters best, and b) Affleck is ****ing off and they need to replace him with someone that will play the character for several future movies.

I really liked Affleck as Batman. Shame he might be gone. I also really liked the fact that they went with an older Batman,,too. If he does get replaced, I hope its Jake.

I fcking love Jake, but I buy him as Bruce Wayne far less than i did when Affleck was first cast.

Just cast Matt Bomer and stop fcking around.

Originally posted by Zack M
I really liked Affleck as Batman. Shame he might be gone. I also really liked the fact that they went with an older Batman,,too. If he does get replaced, I hope its Jake.

I like him, but I don't like that they went with an older Batman. I'm more a fan of keeping Clark and Bruce similar ages, as it makes their friendship make more sense to him.

Jake who? Gyllenhal?

nah. jake the phucking snake roberts

Still, it's sad to not seeing Jason play Lobo, I like his Aquaman but man...

Originally posted by Inhuman
Various problems....

- DC movie studios, there really isn't a DC studios. No one in charge calling the shots.

- The executives do most of the shot calling and they don't have a clue how to make these movies work.

- Everything is reactionary. Marvel does something and DC rushes to do the same. "Hurry lets get a team up movie out there as soon as possible", People seem to like classic rock music in these movie, hurry and put it in ours too!" People are reacting well to lightheartedness and humor, YES put that in stat!" etc.
It all feels unnatural and rushed.

- Snyder should have not been the main director for these movies. But like I said previously, the executives are really in charge and Deborah Snyder is one of them.

- Everything feels rushed. They expect the general audience to just fall in love with characters they half assedly just throw into these movies. If they wanted to do a shared Universe they should have copied what Marvel did step by step. I mean the plan was layed out for them to follow step by step. Instead they tried to copy it the wrong way while trying to do it their own way (which was to rush shit) and its all a jumbled mess now.

- wasted big enemies and events (like the death of Supes and Doomsday). Things that could have been build up to were just wasted.

I could go on and on. This summed it up nicely:

MCU worked because it built to their teamup slowly, over years.
They made you excited for it, they made you actually want it.
MCU gave us slow and sensual cunnilingus, ultimately bringing us to an explosive orgasm, while DC showed up out of nowhere, shoved their dick in our a$$hole, and immediately blew their load 5 times in a row

DCEU got 4 years to do it as well, but instead of making solos and MoS2, they chose to take 2 years break and give us something like BVS, which wasn't what you need to build up the team. They could have managed the process much better.

2013 MoS
2015 MoS2 introducing WW and Batman
2016 WW, Flash
2017 Aquaman, Justice League

Originally posted by -Pr-
I like him, but I don't like that they went with an older Batman. I'm more a fan of keeping Clark and Bruce similar ages, as it makes their friendship make more sense to him.

Jake who? Gyllenhal?

Gyllenhaal. Supposedly, Matt wants him if Ben leaves.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Jake who? Gyllenhal?

scuttlebutt is that he's in the running.

Originally posted by Raisen
nah. jake the phucking snake roberts

😂

Originally posted by Zack M
Gyllenhaal. Supposedly, Matt wants him if Ben leaves.

Originally posted by marwash22
yeah.

scuttlebutt is that he's in the running.

Matt who? Oh Reeves.

Ah.

He's a great actor, but I dunno if I'd buy him as Bruce Wayne. Still, wouldn't be a disaster if he was picked, so why not.

Originally posted by Zack M
Gyllenhaal. Supposedly, Matt wants him if Ben leaves.

jake has all but signed on the dotted line lol

Why not use Tom Hardy to play Batman?

Originally posted by Slowpoke
Why not use Tom Hardy to play Batman?

He's doing Venom.