Originally posted by ScreamPasteHe was resurrected. The book isn't fair game in this thread anyways so we disagree but you can't cite it for this debate.
Stop ignoring the game and HH, he never died. The book and the game both make this clear.The mirror did not and he resisted the Twilight Realm. Prove AK can affect him.
His magic made it possible.
Up to you to prove he can resist it despite him failing against specific magics before.
Originally posted by BloodRainResurrected makes pretty obvious but for this debate to continue we just have to agree to disagree here. Not going anywhere on this issue.
"Prove he was dead when the HH states "Ganondorf was sent to the Twilight realm", "Exiled by the Mirror of Twilight", "the sages used the Mirror of Twilight to banish Ganondorf to the Twilight realm", "..sent to the Twilight realm..", "Ganondorf ’s banishment to the Twilight Realm" :T ?"Twilight predates Ganondorf's trip there, try again. Twilight did nothing to Dorf, did nothing to Zelda and only turned Link into a wolf due to prophecy.. all due to the TF protecting them.
"Stated numerous times that the MS is anti-evil sacred magic, stated half as many times that Ganondorf gets defeated by anti-evil sacred magic."
^Sorry I couldn't hear you over this line negating your point.Quan, do you even know what 'specific' means? You've said before that all specific magic isnt the same.. because its 'specific', meaning that if Ganondorf is affected by a 'specific' magic, then that 'specific' magic is able to affect him. But you knew this for saying that specific magic isnt the same as others, right? 🙂 If BFR works, than BFR works. If soul afflicting magic does not work, than soul magic does not work. But I'm sure you'll backtrack on this, just like when stating that only magic resistance is needed til it was proven.
Oh, and prove it.
That does not mean he can resist Avada Kedavra. He can't.
Specific magic is magic which serves a specific purpose not just force damage. Avada Kedava is death magic. Mirror used teleportation magic. Ms used dispelling magic. If you feel he resists then prove it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was resurrected. The book isn't fair game in this thread anyways so we disagree but you can't cite it for this debate.His magic made it possible.
Up to you to prove he can resist it despite him failing against specific magics before.
Twilight realm > AK.
This thread's over.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, you have my opinion on it but the thread indicates what is allowed in here not your opinion of continuity.
And the back pedalling is complete, you're completely against the use of HH now, despite attempting to use it. haermm GG, Quan.Twilight realm > AK.
This thread's over.
Incorrect.
Ak kills. Twilight realm can't save Dorf.
So to reiterate, you've gone from attempting to (mis)use it in this very thread to trying to ban it. haermm Nice work backpedalling.
AK is pathetic next to the Twilight Realm which Ganon resisted.
Debate over. You have nothing to counteract Ganon's invulnerability to all of Voldemort's possible attacks.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIts been banned from the initial post. You want to skirt the issues and debate the canonicity of something irrelevant tonight.
So to reiterate, you've gone from attempting to (mis)use it in this very thread to trying to ban it. haermm Nice work [b]backpedalling.AK is pathetic next to the Twilight Realm which Ganon resisted.
Debate over. You have nothing to counteract Ganon's invulnerability to all of Voldemort's possible attacks. [/B]
Dorf's hatred amp worked together with it. It was never in his opposition as his power helped funnel Zants power.
Ms worked just fine as will Ak.
So you deny attempting to misuse quotes from it in this very thread? You're attempting to flat out lie.
Ganondorf controlling the power of the Twilight realm is a showing of his own power, it doesn't just do that. It not only failed to transform him, he took it over.
The Master Sword is a planetary artifact, AK is a featless spell. Ganon resisted and took control of the Twilight realm, AK cannot hurt him, nor can any of Voldemort's spells.
Originally posted by quanchi112If you would like to take your personal interpretation over both in-game and HH stated facts, thats your call, we can put this on ice until you give another "Mirror killed him" line.
Resurrected makes pretty obvious but for this debate to continue we just have to agree to disagree here. Not going anywhere on this issue.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That does not mean he can resist Avada Kedavra. He can't.
Specific magic is magic which serves a specific purpose not just force damage. Avada Kedava is death magic. Mirror used teleportation magic. Ms used dispelling magic. If you feel he resists then prove it.
This has already been proven thrice.
1) The lazy option, is that Dorf's magical durability is exceedingly above anything in HP, allowing him to survive magical attacks up to the level of the four Light Spirits combined which are not only powerful but target Dorf's 'Holy' weakness (so not just physical durability, its great inner magic resistance too). This requires feats from HP to bypass these inner magical resistance feats.
2) We've seen the Triforce resist fatality. Even if this point alone doesn't mean "Dorf resists 100%" it still shows that on some level he will resist AK's power.
3) We know that the Trifroce protects the user from afflicting magic, Twilight being a great feat of this. Besides the prophecy making Link into a Wolf, the Sacred blue-eyed beast, the TF has resisting the main soul afflicting ability of Twilight for all of them.
tl;dr- Great inner-magic resistance, resisted death, resisted powerful afflicting magic. All three can individually be used against AK on some level, combined just paints us a picture.
If you want to use the books, mad eye says that an entire room of fourth years could try to cast it at him and all he would get is a bloody nose. Granted that quote comes soley from the book, but love shields and PI can block it too. AK seems to be able to be blocked with anything with significantly higher magical potency. 1/3 of divinity should do the trick.
And innanimate objects, the spell bounces off them.
But dammit Nate, I forgot about the love part. Besides being proven that powerful magic can block AK, its stated that AK needs a certain potency to kill a person showing us that its not a 'kill all regardless' spell. Its limits are defined by the caster.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIt can be used with regards to the twilight Princess only.
So you deny attempting to misuse quotes from it in this very thread? You're attempting to flat out lie.Ganondorf controlling the power of the Twilight realm is a showing of his own power, it doesn't just do that. It not only failed to transform him, he took it over.
The Master Sword is a planetary artifact, AK is a featless spell. Ganon resisted and took control of the Twilight realm, AK cannot hurt him, nor can any of Voldemort's spells.
Which isn't applicable to a versus fight. The twilight users and Dorf worked together anyways.
You need to prove it is a planetary object despite there being so such proof in this game.
Ak isn't featless since it has killed. I get how circular logic is your there but you just repeat yourself over and over the same points.
Dorf failed to resist the Mirror and the Ms. No reason to believe he can resist Ak.
Originally posted by BloodRainYes, they are valid comparisons. Resurrection over whatever or however many years is as good as death or a defeat either way.
If you would like to take your personal interpretation over both in-game and HH stated facts, thats your call, we can put this on ice until you give another "Mirror killed him" line.
"Specific magic is magic which serves a specific purpose" <- This all over. You can't state that one specific magic will definitely works by citing a character being affected by a /different/ specific magic. They're not comparable.This has already been proven thrice.
1) The lazy option, is that Dorf's magical durability is exceedingly above anything in HP, allowing him to survive magical attacks up to the level of the four Light Spirits combined which are not only powerful but target Dorf's 'Holy' weakness (so not just physical durability, its great inner magic resistance too). This requires feats from HP to bypass these inner magical resistance feats.
2) We've seen the Triforce resist fatality. Even if this point alone doesn't mean "Dorf resists 100%" it still shows that on some level he will resist AK's power.
3) We know that the Trifroce protects the user from afflicting magic, Twilight being a great feat of this. Besides the prophecy making Link into a Wolf, the Sacred blue-eyed beast, the TF has resisting the main soul afflicting ability of Twilight for all of them.tl;dr- Great inner-magic resistance, resisted death, resisted powerful afflicting magic. All three can individually be used against AK on some level, combined just paints us a picture.
1)Ak isn't a durability attack so there goes your point.
2)we've seen it resist physical damage. We haven't seen it heal from said damage. No limits fallacy.
3)you need to prove it.
Ak is a specific spell which isn't a durability attack that kills. Dorf dies as he can be killed and has no resistance to anything other than force feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It can be used with regards to the twilight Princess only.Which isn't applicable to a versus fight. The twilight users and Dorf worked together anyways.
You need to prove it is a planetary object despite there being so such proof in this game.
Ak isn't featless since it has killed. I get how circular logic is your there but you just repeat yourself over and over the same points.
Dorf failed to resist the Mirror and the Ms. No reason to believe he can resist Ak.
Not sure what you're claiming here. Ganon was sent to the Twilight Realm and resisted its' affects and then took it over.
AK has never overcome someone with magic resistance of any sort, ever. It's not going to overcome the ToP.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteI am not flip flopping.
Flip flop flip flop.Not sure what you're claiming here. Ganon was sent to the Twilight Realm and resisted its' affects and then took it over.
AK has never overcome someone with magic resistance of any sort, ever. It's not going to overcome the ToP.
Who turned at that point ? The effects seemed different in Hyrule as they did in Twili pre Dorfs combination.
Ak isn't a durability attack. Dorf also has never resisted something like this and has failed when struck by the mirror and by the Ms.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not flip flopping.Who turned at that point ? The effects seemed different in Hyrule as they did in Twili pre Dorfs combination.
Ak isn't a durability attack. Dorf also has never resisted something like this and has failed when struck by the mirror and by the Ms.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its been banned from the initial post.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It can be used with regards to the twilight Princess only.
We don't see the Twilight before Ganondorf is sent to it, so I don't know what you're trying to claim here.
AK has never worked on anything with defense, Dorf has more defense than anything in the HP universe, he wins.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, the book is only allowed to be used for this game.
From just this page:Before these you tried to misuse and actively lie about the contents of the book, so GG.
We don't see the Twilight before Ganondorf is sent to it, so I don't know what you're trying to claim here.
AK has never worked on anything with defense, Dorf has more defense than anything in the HP universe, he wins.
So you have no basis of comparison before Dorf gave Zant the amp he needed to seize power. I think my point speaks for itself.
Ak isn't a durability attack and Dorf has never shown a defense to this sort of attack.
Tom wins.
That's cool, since that's the part of the book that mentions Ganon being shot with demi-gods and laughing them off. 🙂
So you have no point? You claimed it was different before he got there. Nope.
AK doesn't work when the target has resistance, Ganon has resistance, AK doesn't work. Thread sorted out right there.
Let's put it this way. We know AK can be blocked by stronger magic such as PI and love shields. Tom's greatest magical feat is taking down the hogwarts shield. That is the extent of his power as movie version wands aren't weaker for non chosen users, just harder to control (remember when harry did the fire trick). A similar feat is midna taking out the hyrule castle shield. Similar spells with similar results. When Tom destroyed the barrier, it almost broke his wand, yet G was able to take midna's attack head on and come out on top.
Logically, Ganondorf> Voldemort
Q: What would happen if Tom tried to fire an AK through the magical barrier that covered Hogwarts?
Originally posted by quanchi112All I heard was "did not actually die".
Yes, they are valid comparisons. Resurrection over whatever or however many years is as good as death or a defeat either way.
1)Ak isn't a durability attack so there goes your point.
2)we've seen it resist physical damage. We haven't seen it heal from said damage. No limits fallacy.
3)you need to prove it.
Ak is a specific spell which isn't a durability attack that kills. Dorf dies as he can be killed and has no resistance to anything other than force feats.
1) "target Dorf's 'Holy' weakness (so not just physical durability, its great inner magic resistance too)". Its not durability. Its him non-physically resisting powerful magic that hits his vulnerable element. Dorf resists effects of magic above AK.
2) Lol not healing further proves that it has nothing to do with physical wounds but the fatality itself. Im stating it will do what we've seen = not no-limits. AK's a death curse with limits defined by what its done; caused human fatality. This TF ability limit's are also defined by what its done; resisted human fatality.
3) I need to prove that Dorf, Zelda and Link did not get their souls wrecked by Twilight when we see them in Twilight, souls not wrecked? Oh look, I just proved it.
4) "Besides being proven that powerful magic can block AK, its stated that AK needs a certain potency to kill a person showing us that its not a 'kill all regardless' spell. Its limits are defined by the caster."
Inner magic resistance + human-fatality resistance + afflicting magic resistance = Ganondorf's resistance to low-fatality and non-physical magic.
Being blocked by powerful magic + potency defined by the casters power = The Limits of AK.