Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No one says light destroys darkness, that's a stupid example. The light arrows are stated to destroy evil in HH and in every game they appear in.

AK has no showings of killing a protected being. 🙂

Midna tells us the rules of the Twilight Realm. Zant was only empowered by Ganon very recently, the rules of the Twilight Realm have always been the same.

Prove the Master Sword killed him.

It's a part of his power set, you can try to ignore that, but sucks to be you. He does it in OoT and across WW and aLttP timelines. Does Thor lose the ability to fly in issues in which he chooses to walk? Spoiler: No.

Ganon was hit by a castle buster and unscratched, he laughs in the face of Voldemort's magic.

The mirror is a door, AK is not a door. It never interacts with Ganon's resistance. The Master Sword is planetary level in power, AK is not planetary level in power.

AK cannot hurt him because he has resistance. Simple.

Dorf is not protected.

Prove it. We don't have a single example yet you claim this is somehow a feat despite no proof. Sad, really.

It's obvious. His eyes closed. He did not do anything. Prove he lived despite common sense saying otherwise.

Only tp is fair game. Quit citing other Ames just because you want one character to win.

We don't know. We know he survived not that he was unfazed.

No, it was a portal which teleported Dorf. He could not resist. No, it isn't. Also irrelevant here and this is only Tp. Ak kills him. Not a durability attack.

You need to prove it. He did not resist the Mirror or the Ms. He cannot resist the Ak or Crucio.

No one cares about fictions we aren't discussing right now. Light arrows destroy evil. Deal with it.

He's protected by the toP.

Midna tells us how it works, this is not hard.

We know he was completely unharmed and that he defeated Midna quickly enough to teleport out to the field and confront Link and Zelda immediately after.

How does one 'resist' a door? Do you expect him to just not pass through it when he moves through the threshold? AK is not a door, this isn't relevant to AK.

AK is not the master sword, it is irrelevant to AK.

AK has nothing to support it affecting someone as resistant as Ganon. It bounced back when it hit Harry who was only protected by a simple charm, God help Voldemort if he casts it on someone who can resist regional level magic and laugh it off.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No one cares about fictions we aren't discussing right now. Light arrows destroy evil. Deal with it.

He's protected by the toP.

Midna tells us how it works, this is not hard.

We know he was completely unharmed and that he defeated Midna quickly enough to teleport out to the field and confront Link and Zelda immediately after.

How does one 'resist' a door? Do you expect him to just not pass through it when he moves through the threshold? AK is not a door, this isn't relevant to AK.

AK is not the master sword, it is irrelevant to AK.

AK has nothing to support it affecting someone as resistant as Ganon. It bounced back when it hit Harry who was only protected by a simple charm, God help Voldemort if he casts it on someone who can resist regional level magic and laugh it off.

You can't prove there's a feat.

After Dorf showed up, sure.

We know he won not that he was unharmed. Speculation.

Simply moving away or teleporting away. He fell victim and was defeated.

Yes, it is. Dorf cannot resist specific magics.

Ms dispels magic whereas Ak kills. Both serve their purpose here.

A self sacrificial charm. Not applicable here. Dorf dies.

Except in all of their appearances, you mean?

Prove the ToP protects him? Dude what? Why do you suppose he can't die then, good genetics?

That isn't what Midna says.

That you're arguing this at all is pathetic. Even if he were harmed (he wasn't) it's still too good of a durability feat for Voldemort to harm his body.

So your argument is "Ganon and move through doors, AK can kill him"

The Master Sword can overpower the ToP, AK cannot. Ganon is too well protected and the ToP is too much more powerful than AK.

A charm acknoweldged in universe as simple, if Voldemort casts it on Ganon, who has much more powerful protection, it's coming right back at him, just like before, or worse.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Except in all of their appearances, you mean?

Prove the ToP protects him? Dude what? Why do you suppose he can't die then, good genetics?

That isn't what Midna says.

That you're arguing this at all is pathetic. Even if he were harmed (he wasn't) it's still too good of a durability feat for Voldemort to harm his body.

So your argument is "Ganon and move through doors, AK can kill him"

The Master Sword can overpower the ToP, AK cannot. Ganon is too well protected and the ToP is too much more powerful than AK.

A charm acknoweldged in universe as simple, if Voldemort casts it on Ganon, who has much more powerful protection, it's coming right back at him, just like before, or worse.

I am saying prove he resisted being changed.

Tell me what she says. Refresh me.

Ak isn't a durability attack. His force power destroyed a disintegration shield. He kills Dorf in a variety of ways.

No, my argument is specific magic works just like Ak.

Prove it. Dispelled magic. That's it. Ak kills. That's it.

Simple does not mean not formidable or lesser power.

False.. We don't see power having anything to do with that. Just a Counter charm Dorf cannot perform.

In TP they're only used against Ganon, we still get this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtDhpfN92o&t=3m22
Grant me the light to banish evil. Followed by the light spirits themselves transforming into light arrows.

He went to the Twilight Realm which explicitly has this effect. It didn't have this effect on him. He resisted it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpt7PRfgxQ

She talks about a soldier's spirit and how he's from the other world, they're in Twilight. This is the first instance.

AK doesn't need to be a 'durability' attack. Ganon has immense magic resistance.

The mirror is a door, it doesn't support your argument. AK is too weak to best the ToP, Voldemort's spells are too weak to harm Ganon's body.

It certainly doesn't imply having great power, and the Potterverse is very low power in general. AK has never worked on anyone with resistance.

A charm much weaker than Ganon's own defense.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In TP they're only used against Ganon, we still get this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtDhpfN92o&t=3m22
Grant me the light to banish evil. Followed by the light spirits themselves transforming into light arrows.

He went to the Twilight Realm which explicitly has this effect. It didn't have this effect on him. He resisted it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWpt7PRfgxQ

She talks about a soldier's spirit and how he's from the other world, they're in Twilight. This is the first instance.

AK doesn't need to be a 'durability' attack. Ganon has immense magic resistance.

The mirror is a door, it doesn't support your argument. AK is too weak to best the ToP, Voldemort's spells are too weak to harm Ganon's body.

It certainly doesn't imply having great power, and the Potterverse is very low power in general. AK has never worked on [b]anyone with resistance.

A charm much weaker than Ganon's own defense. [/B]

No, Midna was turned due to powerful magic the realm Didnt just make everyone turn.

Dorf has no resistance outside durability attacks.

Yes, it proves by your logic that it overpowers his top. Ak kills. Prove he can survive.

Potterverse is extremely powerful. A lot more so than Hyrule. Ak works on Dorf since he has no resistance.

Prove it.

We see Ganon resist them as he always has.

Read my post, Midna is talking about the spirits of soldiers in the castle. Midna herself was not changed by Twilight, she's a Twili, it doesn't effect her.

Light arrows, Fused Shadows, Twilight Realm, all show resistance to magic.

The potterverse's greatest weapon is a single target spell less lethal than a gun.

Prove AK is as powerful as the ToP. If it is not, Voldemort cannot win.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We see Ganon resist them as he always has.

Read my post, Midna is talking about the spirits of soldiers in the castle. Midna herself was not changed by Twilight, she's a Twili, it doesn't effect her.

Light arrows, Fused Shadows, Twilight Realm, all show resistance to magic.

The potterverse's greatest weapon is a single target spell less lethal than a gun.

Prove AK is as powerful as the ToP. If it is not, Voldemort cannot win.

Yes, so why would the effects of Twili effect Dorf when he supplied it.

Yes, resistance to force attacks not specific magic.

How is it less lethal than a gun ? This is just flat out ignorance.

Don't have to. It kills. Mirror bfrs. Ms dispels.

Prove it's hyperbole when they've been shown to destroy evil in every appearance they've made, and this one comes with a quote from Zelda.

He didn't supply it.

All of those magics have specific effects, try harder.

A gun doesn't stop working if someone takes a bullet for you or waves their hand and says the special word that counters the spell.

Yes, you do have to. If AK cannot overcome the ToP Voldemort cannot win. It cannot, so Voldemort cannot win. This is simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole. We see them as capable of damaging Dorf. They don't destroy evil any more than a bullet can destroy evil.
1). The burden is on you. You are claiming they weren't force attacks when they clearly were. Ms dispels magic. That isn't a weakness that is just something that works.
2). We've seen it resist durability attacks but unable to heal from the damage. We have not seen it resist the mirror or the Ms.
3). We see Link actively turned into a wolf by that Zant weapon.
4). He is able to resist durability death not instant magical curse death. Apples and oranges.
Crucio and Ak are t of varying degrees. Either they work or don't.

2) Exactly, not healing proves that it has nothing to do with the actual physical injury as the TF still kept him alive without touching the wound. And congratulations, you can refer to BFR when we're talking about fatality. Should I get the tequila?

3) Prove my point more? Zant basically shoved a condense magic, more potent than Twilights effects, into Link and the TF still stopped Link from becoming a hapless spirit, instead turning him into the prophesied beast. This is the TF still resisting the soul attack of an even greater afflicting magic.

4) So he can resist death just not death? Well that makes sense.

We've already seen that the 'competence' can make Crucio a static shock and AK a nosebleed. Intent alone makes it varied, just like every other spell with intent+power.

Ms dispels magic. That isn't a weakness that is just something that works.

And a dozen more times in-game. Youre referencing a line about the MS dispelling the magic on Link. Every line about Dorf states that its only due to the blades anti-evil power.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Prove it's hyperbole when they've been shown to destroy evil in every appearance they've made, and this one comes with a quote from Zelda.

He didn't supply it.

All of those magics have specific effects, try harder.

A gun doesn't stop working if someone takes a bullet for you or waves their hand and says the special word that counters the spell.

Yes, you do have to. If AK cannot overcome the ToP Voldemort cannot win. It cannot, so Voldemort cannot win. This is simple.

Yes, he amped it further.

As does Ak.

That's because its a gun and isn't magic. Wtf. Ak kills you every time it hits you. Bullets don't.

Ak does the trick as does other specific magic.

Yes they do. They're one of the only things to even phase Ganondorf. Herp.

Prove that.

And Ganon resisted all of them and is immune to AK.

AK hit Harry, he's alive.

AK is too weak to harm someone with Ganon's protection.

Originally posted by BloodRain
1) I like how you'll focus on a single word and ignore the point at hand. The arrows are made of powerful sacred light, and Zelda summons them asking to help defeat evil. Both things coincide with Ganondorf's time and time stated trait about 'anti-evil' light.
The one who initially makes a claim is the ones that proves it. Claim that they're force attacks only is yours, not mine. The fact that this light power stuns his whole body while not inflict damage tells us its not some external force only.

2) Exactly, not healing proves that it has nothing to do with the actual physical injury as the TF still kept him alive without touching the wound. And congratulations, you can refer to BFR when we're talking about fatality. Should I get the tequila?

3) Prove my point more? Zant basically shoved a condense magic, more potent than Twilights effects, into Link and the TF still stopped Link from becoming a hapless spirit, instead turning him into the prophesied beast. This is the TF still resisting the soul attack of an even greater afflicting magic.

4) So he can resist death just not death? Well that makes sense.

We've already seen that the 'competence' can make Crucio a static shock and AK a nosebleed. Intent alone makes it varied, just like every other spell with intent+power.

Extra: The MS does have the ability to dispel magic;
"and his curse was lifted by the sword’s ability to dispel magic."
But it has been stated that what defeats Ganondorf is the anti-evil aspect of the blade;
"it harbors the power to eradicate evil"
"whose prayers gave the Master Sword the ability to destroy evil."
"However, [b]the Master Sword had lost its ability to repel evil. He was not able to wound Ganondorf even slightly"
"Ganondorf fell to the power of Princess Zelda’s Light Arrows and the ability of Link’s blade to repel evil"

And a dozen more times in-game. Youre referencing a line about the MS dispelling the magic on Link. Every line about Dorf states that its only due to the blades anti-evil power. [/B]

2) yes, the Tf kept him alone but guess what pill popper; there are no limit fallacies here. Put enough holes he can't exist. He also stands there while resisting. Voldemort isn't going to look up at the sky Hes going to press his attack.

3) link Didnt resist turning into a wolf. Magic only worked in Hyrule due to a specific event anyways.

4) he can resist durability death to a certain point. Ak is instant death.

If the spell works it works. If you don't mean it or **** it up then it doesn't work. Simple. Voldemorts spells work.

Hyperbole; and it dispelled magic when it cut into his feminine skin. He clearly dispelled his magic hence him not being able to resist death anymore.

Paste, unbusy yourself on skype right now.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
1) its an attack which hurts him. The rest is hyperbole. It does not destroy him. Lol. We see they are force attacks and just damage him. They did not destroy him. Your claim is they destroy evil despite not destroying evil.
2) yes, the Tf kept him alone but guess what pill popper; there are no limit fallacies here. Put enough holes he can't exist. He also stands there while resisting. Voldemort isn't going to look up at the sky Hes going to press his attack.
3) link Didnt resist turning into a wolf. Magic only worked in Hyrule due to a specific event anyways.
4) he can resist durability death to a certain point. Ak is instant death.
If the spell works it works. If you don't mean it or **** it up then it doesn't work. Simple. Voldemorts spells work.

2) No ones claiming a no-limits for this Quan. I've stated already that it nicely covers human-fatality, nothing above that level. AK has displayed anything abouve this level and claiming it can is a no-limits. As you said, we can only state from what we've seen.
Pill popper?

3) Intentional or accidentally missed the point entirely? Shall we try again?; Twilight soul ****s when you come into contact with it. Shadow Crystals are stated to have the same effect, just more powerful. When either of these soul ****ing things comes into contact with Link, instead of becoming a spirit the TF resists that effect to where Link becomes the Sacred blue-eyed beast instead. Meaning? The main ability of soul ****ing was completely resisted due to its intervention.

4) Resisting death, yes.
So we're back to these two spells being completely different from every other spell, even though they're shown to have the same basic principles?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole; and it dispelled magic when it cut into his feminine skin. He clearly dispelled his magic hence him not being able to resist death anymore.

Further, if it was just 'anti-magic' would this just not prove that you need to overcome Ganondorf's 'magic' to kill him? This doesn't seem win-win for you.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes they do. They're one of the only things to even phase Ganondorf. Herp.

Prove that.

And Ganon resisted all of them and is immune to AK.

AK hit Harry, he's alive.

AK is too weak to harm someone with Ganon's protection.

Once again this is just about the workability of a single curse with the only other ones, some pain and fire, not worth mentioning. There's nothing about Dorf..;

-Blocking AK with his sword
-...with one of those Twilight forcefields
-Dodging AK with agility
-...by Teleporting
-Summoning Phantom Riders
-Destroying Tom with a punch
-..with a slash/stab
-..with an energy ball

Dorf is immune to Voldemort's spells, any of the above scenario's is a foregone conclusion, lol.

60 pages and its only been that single will it/won't it point >[ anything else could end this thread.