Well it really comes down to...
Ganon is too fast to be hit by the spell.
Can bat it back as he's shown many times.
Is too resistant to be effected by it anyway.
It tends to bounce back on it's firer when it doesn't work.
IE, Voldemort misses, or he dies.
Ganon can then one shot him by so much as flicking his face through the back of his skull, let alone flash freezing him or frying him with lightning or energy.
Originally posted by BloodRain1) stated to destroy evil. Dorf is embodiment of evil yet it does not destroy him. That's silly. In this game with what he has available this is needed but this does not apply to other fictional universes. Hyperbole without anything to shed light on how powerful it is.
1) When did I say it destroyed Dorf? They're stated to be anti-evil coupled with the fact that its been numerously stated that anti-evil things are needed against Dorf, leads us to the Arrows greatly targeting his innate 'weakness'. And seeing as the arrow damage itself means nothing from how he reacts, its not just physical. Ending up with Dorf resisting the magical light from powerful beings.2) No ones claiming a no-limits for this Quan. I've stated already that it nicely covers human-fatality, nothing above that level. AK has displayed anything abouve this level and claiming it can is a no-limits. As you said, we can only state from what we've seen.
Pill popper?3) Intentional or accidentally missed the point entirely? Shall we try again?; Twilight soul ****s when you come into contact with it. Shadow Crystals are stated to have the same effect, just more powerful. When either of these soul ****ing things comes into contact with Link, instead of becoming a spirit the TF resists that effect to where Link becomes the Sacred blue-eyed beast instead. Meaning? The main ability of soul ****ing was completely resisted due to its intervention.
4) Resisting death, yes.
So we're back to these two spells being completely different from every other spell, even though they're shown to have the same basic principles?Ahh, I see. When I reference about 20 indirect (about the sword) and direct (about Ganondorf) quotes from in-game and HH stating that its [b]anti-evil
, that's obviously hyperbole. But when there's a single indirect (about the sword) quote about dispelling magic, that's obviously a fact that takes precedence over everything else right? Your biased is showing.Further, if it was just 'anti-magic' would this just not prove that you need to overcome Ganondorf's 'magic' to kill him? This doesn't seem win-win for you. [/B]
2) no, it is a non durability attack. Not the same thing. I am saying it kills those beings who are alive, etc. but is not a durability attack by any means.
3) Dorf supplied the magic. Yes, link has protection to a certain point but can still be turned into a wolf.
4) they are different. They aren't force attacks and are specific magic which are not durability attacks.
Incorrect. Anti evil is just hyperbole whereas a specific function of dispelling magic is just that.
No, it would not. Mirror and the Ms just perform,Ed their function against him.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo. Qit trying to use no limits fallacies here.
Yes they do. They're one of the only things to even phase Ganondorf. Herp.Prove that.
And Ganon resisted all of them and is immune to AK.
AK hit Harry, he's alive.
AK is too weak to harm someone with Ganon's protection.
You first.
The mirror and the Ms he did not resist.
Ganondorf dies when hit by Ak.
Harry had circumstances going for him Dorf does not. It's like saying Superman punched Luthor and he lived while ignoring kryptonite.
He has no non durability resistance. He dies.
Originally posted by quanchi1121) So you're hung up on the wordings used, once again? Whatever word used, their light has anti-evil properties which does Dorf in. As seen when he becomes paralysed from it. No, if it was physical-arrow damage his whole body would not be sparking with light magic. It targeted his 'weakness', which means its not just a physical hit.
1) stated to destroy evil. Dorf is embodiment of evil yet it does not destroy him. That's silly. In this game with what he has available this is needed but this does not apply to other fictional universes. Hyperbole without anything to shed light on how powerful it is.
2) no, it is a non durability attack. Not the same thing. I am saying it kills those beings who are alive, etc. but is not a durability attack by any means.
3) Dorf supplied the magic. Yes, link has protection to a certain point but can still be turned into a wolf.
4) they are different. They aren't force attacks and are specific magic which are not durability attacks.
Incorrect. Anti evil is just hyperbole whereas a specific function of dispelling magic is just that.
No, it would not. Mirror and the Ms just perform,Ed their function against him.
Why are you talking about what's available for other fictions when my post had nothing to do with that?
2) Is a human-level fatality, the same as which the TF saved Dorf from. Both from what we have seen. No more, no less.
3) "Yes, Link has protection to a certain point". And there we have it; the TF resists powerful afflicting magic.
4) Cept that as you like to point out the TF did not effect the physical damage in any way, meaning it had nothing to do with it physically.
Alright, so whats your 100% statement + in-game evidence proves that its anti-magic only, and not anti-evil? You know, despite the fact that the Goddess who originally blessed the MS made it specifically to damage evil beings.
"He clearly dispelled his magic hence him not being able to resist death anymore" -> According to you Link had to dispel Dorf's magic in order to kill him. Either way you're giving Dorf some form of magical resistance here.
That isn't a no-limits fallacy, learn what a no limits fallacy actually is.
Your claim.
The mirror is a door, you don't 'resist' going through doors. The Master Sword is irrelevant to AK because it's so vastly more powerful that to even speak of them as relevant to one another is insulting to the sword.
AK cannot kill immortals, AK cannot kill beings with resistance, AK cannot overcome the ToP, AK is useless. Voldemort's luckiest if he misses so that it doesn't rebound and kill him. Funnily enough Ganon can just smack it back at him with his bare hand anyway.
Harry's protection was a simple charm, Ganon is protected by the triforce of power, Ganon > Harry.
Twilight Realm, Fused Shadows, Light Arrows.
Originally posted by BloodRain1)if it targeted his weakness that is a physical hit ala kryptonite or magic to Superman.
1) So you're hung up on the wordings used, once again? Whatever word used, their light has anti-evil properties which does Dorf in. As seen when he becomes paralysed from it. No, if it was physical-arrow damage his whole body would not be sparking with light magic. It targeted his 'weakness', which means its not just a physical hit.Why are you talking about what's available for other fictions when my post had nothing to do with that?
2) Is a human-level fatality, the same as which the TF saved Dorf from. Both from what we have seen. No more, no less.
3) "Yes, Link has protection to a certain point". And there we have it; the TF resists powerful afflicting magic.
4) Cept that as you like to point out the TF did not effect the physical damage in any way, meaning it had nothing to do with it physically.
Alright, so whats your 100% statement + in-game evidence proves that its anti-magic only, and not anti-evil? You know, despite the fact that the Goddess who originally blessed the MS made it specifically to damage evil beings.
"He clearly dispelled his magic hence him not being able to resist death anymore" -> According to you Link had to dispel Dorf's magic in order to kill him. Either way you're giving Dorf some form of magical resistance here.
2) entirely different as Dorf survived a durability human fatality not a magical instant death fatality.
3) to a certain point but magic can hurt and kill him all the same.
4) Tf did protect his body from a physical transformation. Tf can't make someone immune to damage or attacks.
Hyperbole and already explained it in this post.
Link dispelled his magic enough to stave off death from a durability standpoint. That's it. Ak kills without prejudice.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYes, it is.
That isn't a no-limits fallacy, learn what a no limits fallacy actually is.Your claim.
The mirror is a door, you don't 'resist' going through doors. The Master Sword is irrelevant to AK because it's so vastly more powerful that to even speak of them as relevant to one another is insulting to the sword.
AK cannot kill immortals, AK cannot kill beings with resistance, AK cannot overcome the ToP, AK is useless. Voldemort's luckiest if he [b]misses
so that it doesn't rebound and kill him. Funnily enough Ganon can just smack it back at him with his bare hand anyway.Harry's protection was a simple charm, Ganon is protected by the triforce of power, Ganon > Harry.
Twilight Realm, Fused Shadows, Light Arrows. [/B]
Your claim.
No, it sucks certain things into it meaning its magical not a door. Prove its more powerful. Ms doesn't kill everyone it hits whereas Ak does. 🙂
Prove it can't kill immortals. This is your claim to prove it. Dorf cannot use the resistance Potter used so moot point. Ak kills everyone save sacrificial magic or with a Horcrux inside so it still killed.
No, he can't.
That was a charm that is not relevant to Dorf. Ak kills those it hits whereas Dorf does not always nether does Link.
Ak kills. Dorf dies.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is.Your claim.
No, it sucks certain things into it meaning its magical not a door. Prove its more powerful. Ms doesn't kill everyone it hits whereas Ak does. 🙂
Prove it can't kill immortals. This is your claim to prove it. Dorf cannot use the resistance Potter used so moot point. Ak kills everyone save sacrificial magic or with a Horcrux inside so it still killed.
No, he can't.
That was a charm that is not relevant to Dorf. Ak kills those it hits whereas Dorf does not always nether does Link.
Ak kills. Dorf dies.
Concession accepted.
It pulled every physical object in the room inside.
Lol. "Prove Spider-Man can't KO Galactus". <---You. Prove AK's strength. Dorf's survivability is known, and it is well above a featless spell like AK which has never killed anyone with any sort of resistance, which Ganon has in spades.
Ganon can tank it, dodge it, deflect it, ignore it. It can do nothing to him and it's probably bouncing off of him even if he allows it to hit him. (and he'd have to since it moves so slowly.)
He ends Voldemort with one punch or one blast. haermm
Originally posted by quanchi112
1)if it targeted his weakness that is a physical hit ala kryptonite or magic to Superman.
2) entirely different as Dorf survived a durability human fatality not a magical instant death fatality.
3) to a certain point but magic can hurt and kill him all the same.
4) Tf did protect his body from a physical transformation. Tf can't make someone immune to damage or attacks.
Hyperbole and already explained it in this post.
Link dispelled his magic enough to stave off death from a durability standpoint. That's it. Ak kills without prejudice.
2) Both have their limits at 'human fatality', that's it.
3) You've just admitted that the TF protects the user from powerful afflicting magic. Thats all the resistance needed here.
4) The damage, not the Twilight point. You've stated several times that the TF did not heal the wound, proving that its not the physical attack that the TF saved him from but the fatality. It ignored the wound completely.
You've given no evidence for the MS in this, or any post. Indirect statements, direct statements, in-game statements, HH statements, the person who gave the MS the powers.. all of that confirming that what the MS is is anti-evil. And what says that it isnt anti-evil?; Your opinion. Now which one are we to take as the facts? In-game, character and HH statements or your thoughts?
In order to get to the gooey death-core you have to bypass the crunchy magical shell, like the MS apparently did? Good, so AK stops at that shell.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIrony. You conceded.
Learn what a no-limits fallacy actually is, kthnx.Concession accepted.
It pulled every physical object in the room inside.
Lol. "Prove Spider-Man can't KO Galactus". <---You. Prove AK's strength. Dorf's survivability is known, and it is well above a featless spell like AK which has never killed anyone with any sort of resistance, which Ganon has in spades.
Ganon can tank it, dodge it, deflect it, ignore it. It can do nothing to him and it's probably bouncing off of him even if he allows it to hit him. (and he'd have to since it moves so slowly.)
He ends Voldemort with one punch or one blast. haermm
No, it did not just him and his sword.
No, Ak kills and Dorf can die.
Prove it. We have never seen him tank specific magic before. He also doesn't dodge attacks as we see him tagged before,
Prove it.
Originally posted by BloodRain1)K-nite kills him if it can be close long enough,
1) Its interesting that you'd give Superman examples neither magic nor Knite /need/ to be physical hits to affect him. Regardless of the method used, the end result is that its powerful magic resonating though his body clashing with his 'weakness', not causing him any physical harm.2) Both have their limits at 'human fatality', that's it.
3) You've just admitted that the TF protects the user from powerful afflicting magic. Thats all the resistance needed here.
4) The damage, not the Twilight point. You've stated several times that the TF did not heal the wound, proving that its not the physical attack that the TF saved him from but the fatality. It ignored the wound completely.
You've given no evidence for the MS in this, or any post. Indirect statements, direct statements, in-game statements, HH statements, the person who gave the MS the powers.. all of that confirming that what the MS is is anti-evil. And what says that it isnt anti-evil?; Your opinion. Now which one are we to take as the facts? In-game, character and HH statements or your thoughts?
In order to get to the gooey death-core you have to bypass the crunchy magical shell, like the MS apparently did? Good, so AK stops at that shell.
I have given evidence you have ignored. Ak works as you have no proven he can resist the death magic. Game over.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Irony. You conceded.No, it did not just him and his sword.
No, Ak kills and Dorf can die.
Prove it. We have never seen him tank specific magic before. He also doesn't dodge attacks as we see him tagged before,
Prove it.
The only two physical objects in the room were sucked through, Ganon and his sword. AK Kills defenseless humans, nothing more. It's never killed anyone with any protection at all, let alone protection as powerful as the ToP.
AK cannot hit him unless he allows it, if he does, it's bouncing back, or he can just swat it back himself with his bare hand. It can't hurt him, Voldemort has a nerf gun, lol.
Provide a durability feat for Voldemort that allows him to survive being frozen solid, blown apart, or punched with class 100 strength.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYou have made my quite aware of what a concession is.
Learn what a concession is.The only two physical objects in the room were sucked through, Ganon and his sword. AK Kills defenseless humans, nothing more. It's never killed anyone with any protection at all, let alone protection as powerful as the ToP.
AK cannot hit him unless he allows it, if he does, it's bouncing back, or he can just swat it back himself with his bare hand. It can't hurt him, Voldemort has a nerf gun, lol.
Provide a durability feat for Voldemort that allows him to survive being frozen solid, blown apart, or punched with class 100 strength.
Nothing else in the room was just what their target was. Magic.
Wrong. It kills spiders and other living creatures. Magic kills and the top can only resist durability death.
Prove it. Prove he can bat back the spell at him.
Voldemort kills him with Ak. His reactions are too fast of Dorf here.
By pointing out when you make them.
The mirror 'targetted' the sword? Lol. It didn't have a target, Ganon was sucked through, as was the only other physical object in the room.
OhmyGod! SPIDERS!11. That's pathetic, dude.
Ganondorf does this all the time.
Voldemort is too slow, AK is too slow, neither can hurt Ganon anyway. He can effortlessly block arrows that pierce solid stone, boyo, those things are much, much faster than AK.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIt targeted Dorf and everything on his person was sucked through.
By pointing out when you make them.The mirror 'targetted' the sword? Lol. It didn't have a target, Ganon was sucked through, as was the only other physical object in the room.
OhmyGod! SPIDERS!11. That's pathetic, dude.
Ganondorf does this all the time.
Voldemort is too slow, AK is too slow, neither can hurt Ganon anyway. He can effortlessly block arrows that pierce solid stone, boyo, those things are much, much faster than AK.
You said only humans but clearly you were wrong.
When ?
His reactions are far faster than someone who sat there while the sages slowly coasted a bfr mirror spell.
That's a pretty contentious assertion your making, considering the mirror never 'targeted' anything. haermm Does a drain in a sink only 'target' soap, or does the water pull other things in the sink, like silverware, to it as well? It does. Same principle, Quan.
You're comically missing the point. Nothing it's ever killed has been impressive. It's never killed anything with even a lick of magical resistance.
Most games where he plays Deadman's Volley. Lol.
That's funny since Ganon can effortlessly avoid arrows that can pierce super-powerful tornadoes to hit the deity inside, or arrows that pierce giant magical diamonds, or arrows that meet or exceed escape velocity. He's also played tennis with lightning.
Hypersonic arrows > Voldemort.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, it is a magical door which targeted Dorf. He could not resist it. That's all.
That's a pretty contentious assertion your making, considering the mirror never 'targeted' anything. haermm Does a drain in a sink only 'target' soap, or does the water pull other things in the sink, like silverware, to it as well? It does. Same principle, Quan.You're comically missing the point. Nothing it's ever killed has been impressive. It's never killed anything with even a lick of magical resistance.
Most games where he plays Deadman's Volley. Lol.
That's funny since Ganon can effortlessly avoid arrows that can pierce super-powerful tornadoes to hit the deity inside, or arrows that pierce giant magical diamonds, or arrows that meet or exceed escape velocity. He's also played tennis with lightning.
Hypersonic arrows > Voldemort.
Wizards dying is impressive considering they all have access to magic just like Dorf. Dorf is not impressive minus his magic either.
Gameplay mechanic. Nothing more. That doesn't move like lightning nor is des it share the same properties as lightning either. Reaching.
Voldemort Ak's him.
It's a magical door which sucked him through, like a drain. We see this clearly in the cutscene, he wasn't grabbed or TK'd through, he was pulled through by suction.
Wizards have no innate defenses and none with defenses have ever been killed by AK. AK has overcome magic resistance 0 times.
Consistant feat*. You don't know what a mechanic is.
Voldemort cannot hit him, harm him with it, or avoid it being sent back in his face. Voldemort is helpless.