Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, force can hurt him but the fused shadows don't turn people into helpless spirits.

I feel like you may have forgotten which conversation this is.

We were talking about Ganondorf's ability to resist the Fused Shadows turning things into mindless monster, remember?

They have powers and resistance. Normal people don't.

They don't actually have better resistance than normal people unless they use spells. And we've never seen anyone with resistance take an AK.

Already have.

You did not.

Voldemort wrecks

Originally posted by The Scenario
I feel like you may have forgotten which conversation this is.

We were talking about Ganondorf's ability to resist the Fused Shadows turning things into mindless monster, remember?

They don't actually have better resistance than normal people unless they use spells. And we've never seen anyone with resistance take an AK.

You did not.

They have powers humans don't. The people of Hyrule it affected had no powers at all. 😂

Yes, I did.

Originally posted by Supra
Voldemort wrecks

Originally posted by quanchi112
Call em how I see am.

It kills who it hits. Ganondorf dies when it strikes him since no one can sacrifice his or herself for him.

Stop deviating. Do protections canonly exist for it? The answer is yes. Done.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said prove he has a symbiotic relationship. I did. That's why you're a troll because you won't acknowledge a fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have no proof the spell was used against him to turn him into a helpless spirit so who cares. Targeting people without powers for the most part. Like its some awesome feat or something. They are t equipped or even aware of what is occurring.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So basically those who have powers are the exception and those who don't fall victim. And this is supposed to be impressive ? Do you even hear half the dumb shit you say ?

Remember this stuff? Yeah, well that'd be the reason Midna is more resistant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not of a magical death of a wound which causes death. Entirely different.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Concession accepted.

2. The word immortal is exactly the correct word as you don't ever die of old age. That is exactly what an immortal is. Dorf has been bested by specific magic before.

3. Immortal doesn't mean unkillable. Practically every immortal who is unkillable can still be killed. Quit trying to use your narrow minded definition here.

4. This has nothing to do with the fused shadows though.

5. So anyone with powers, not impressed.

6. It is just a force though. There is no specific point other than to hurt like any magical force.

7. When a magically induced power came into play Dorf died.
Ms killed him.

Anyone with powers can resist but the random idiots aka citizens fall victim but this spell destroys any other universe just because you idiots believe so despite the lack of evidence. Unbelievable.

1. Concession that the spell can be regularly blocked? Sure, if ya want.

2. Do you know the specifics of AK?

3. Nah, too general. I can point to a random vampire who is technically immortal who can be killed by /any/ mortal way besides old age. Best part is that this 'killed an immortal' claim was in response to me saying AK has never killed those with defences. Longevity is not a defence.

4. Fused Shadows is basically an amped Twilight. Its the same magic, just powerful and ancient. Hence its greater level of corruption compared to Twilight.

5. Anyone with the Triforce. Stop trying to deny this fact.

6. Can you prove this? 😐

7. Answer the question. Who says you need this very specific type of resistance and not the broad kind? Again, you don't even know its specific functions.

Only those with the Triforce lol. Stop getting so emotional and answer the Qs, like how the Master Sword is a 'specific afflicting magic' as you claim it to be.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Get better hun.

Stop deviating. Do protections canonly exist for it? The answer is yes. Done.

No, I said to prove the symbiotic relationship.. I don't really care if it sounds like a word. I can say you have a symbiotic relationship with your local barkeep, does that mean you get powers off of him? No. Does it match the definition? Yes? In other words, prove he gets resistance (especially when we see that Twilight can still affect him in some ways).

Not a spell, nor does it need to be used against someone. It engulfs the entire area, affecting all within :l

I swear you can't read half the time. You know Midna? That lil imp following Link around? Well it turns out she's in fact the Twilight Princess. Shocker, I know. Not only that, but the Fused Shadows actually chose her, and went right to her in her time of need. Strange, right? Also we find out she's the only one who can channel its powers willingly.

Remember this stuff? Yeah, well that'd be the reason Midna is more resistant.

Is it death?

1. Concession that the spell can be regularly blocked? Sure, if ya want.

2. Do you know the specifics of AK?

3. Nah, too general. I can point to a random vampire who is technically immortal who can be killed by /any/ mortal way besides old age. Best part is that this 'killed an immortal' claim was in response to me saying AK has never killed those with defences. Longevity is not a defence.

4. Fused Shadows is basically an amped Twilight. Its the same magic, just powerful and ancient. Hence its greater level of corruption compared to Twilight.

5. Anyone with the Triforce. Stop trying to deny this fact.

6. Can you prove this? 😐

7. Answer the question. Who says you need this very specific type of resistance and not the broad kind? Again, you don't even know its specific functions.

Only those with the Triforce lol. Stop getting so emotional and answer the Qs, like how the Master Sword is a 'specific afflicting magic' as you claim it to be.

I did as that was a definition to the words symbiotic relationship. If you don't understand what words mean it is a waste of time proving anything to you since it fits the definition.

No need as that specific spell never was used against him nor did the spell work against anyone with powers.

It only affects those who rely on light not every being and they didn't have any powers.

Magical death.

1. No a concession you agreed it kills who it touches.

2. Yes.

3. Immortal means they don't succumb to old age. Dorf is immortal unless someone kills him too. 😆

4. So ?

5. Midna as well. Anyone without powers cannot resist. 😂

6. I can't prove common sense no. The point is it doesn't cause a specific point other than harming by force.

7. A character resisting specific magic.

It is and it worked against Dorf.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No protections against specific magic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did as that was a definition to the words symbiotic relationship. If you don't understand what words mean it is a waste of time proving anything to you since it fits the definition.

So you gain barkeeping skills because you have a symbiotic relationship with ya local barkeep? Or Nagini gaining the powers of Voldermort?

What you're doing is saying "Those two match this definition, so obviously they gain powers off each other", the same as "Any people in this relationship gain traits from the other" Even though the exact definition states that the benefit each other, just as a pawn and king do :/

Originally posted by quanchi112
No need as that specific spell never was used against him nor did the spell work against anyone with powers.

It only affects those who rely on light not every being and they didn't have any powers.

The Twili don't~

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magical death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. No a concession you agreed it kills who it touches.

2. Yes.

3. Immortal means they don't succumb to old age. Dorf is immortal unless someone kills him too.

4. So ?

5. Midna as well. Anyone without powers cannot resist.

6. I can't prove common sense no. The point is it doesn't cause a specific point other than harming by force.

7. A character resisting specific magic.

It is and it worked against Dorf.

1. Really?

Rain; "Fact, the spell can and has been blocked." Telling you the spell can be blocked.

Quan; "By wizards with superior reflexes than Dorf and abilities." Telling me it can, but by wizards you believe are > Dorf. But still telling me that it can be.

Anything wrong with that?

2. Then go ahead and explain them. Have a feeling it'll come down to either a brief simplification or refusal.

3. Exactly, a useless term without defining limitations, this case being 'those who are not for the time terminated by mortal wounds'. Tom is dead when killed by any means, the only difference is that someone can resurrect him. This is like the guy in the other thread saying Goku is immortal because when he dies someone can bring him back. In other words, its not impressive for AK as a bullet can do the same to Tom.

4. As in what Twilight has affected counts.

5. Derp Twilight Princess derp. Now, again, stop dodging and explain why two members of the TF trio are safe while thinking Dorf isn't.

6. Wow.. is that really a concession? Admitting you can't prove your own claim?

7. ..missed the point here. You believe you need a very specific type of death resistance, as resisting death in general is not enough, correct? Then explain why no other kind of death resistance is even enough, as this has been your standing point.

"It is" is not a reason, nor is it proof of 'afflicting magic' as you yourself keep repeating that its only anti-magic, so not even an afflicting spell on him 😐

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is only those who are good natured beings of light.

Quote where the game says "good natured." Ganondorf does in fact hail from the light world.

They have powers humans don't. The people of Hyrule it affected had no powers at all. 😂

Prove that they have resistance.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Stop dodging. Do forms of protections exist against AK?

Lets see, symbiosis is a mutual benefiting/interdependent relationship.

So you gain barkeeping skills because you have a symbiotic relationship with ya local barkeep? Or Nagini gaining the powers of Voldermort?

What you're doing is saying "Those two match this definition, so obviously they gain powers off each other", the same as "Any people in this relationship gain traits from the other" Even though the exact definition states that the benefit each other, just as a pawn and king do :/

Not a spell. What are you blind? [b]Prove it can't work on anyone without powers, as we both know you're suggesting this.

The Twili don't~

Thought so, death. Thats what I've been saying for pages now..

1. Really?

Rain; "Fact, the spell can and has been blocked." Telling you the spell can be blocked.

Quan; "By wizards with superior reflexes than Dorf and abilities." Telling me it can, but by wizards you believe are > Dorf. But still telling me that it can be.

Anything wrong with that?

2. Then go ahead and explain them. Have a feeling it'll come down to either a brief simplification or refusal.

3. Exactly, a useless term without defining limitations, this case being 'those who are not for the time terminated by mortal wounds'. Tom is dead when killed by any means, the only difference is that someone can resurrect him. This is like the guy in the other thread saying Goku is immortal because when he dies someone can bring him back. In other words, its not impressive for AK as a bullet can do the same to Tom.

4. As in what Twilight has affected counts.

5. Derp Twilight Princess derp. Now, again, stop dodging and explain why two members of the TF trio are safe while thinking Dorf isn't.

6. Wow.. is that really a concession? Admitting you can't prove your own claim?

7. ..missed the point here. You believe you need a very specific type of death resistance, as resisting death in general is not enough, correct? Then explain why no other kind of death resistance is even enough, as this has been your standing point.

"It is" is not a reason, nor is it proof of 'afflicting magic' as you yourself keep repeating that its only anti-magic, so not even an afflicting spell on him 😐 [/B]

Dorf gave him power and said what Zant desired so would he. Quit just being dishonest and dense. I never said that and no where in the definition is power referenced. Quit being a dense fanboy.

Twili only worked on those without powers. Any wizard in Potter can use light spells to create light. 🙂

Magically induced death which is different.

1. Dorf isn't fast enough to block it.

2. Already done so.

3. Neither are unkillable so the same definition applies to both. Quit being dishonest and acting like it is any different. Harder to kill doesn't change the definition of immortality. Tom is much harder since he has Horcruxes hidden.

4. Those without light and that isn't impressive since none of those saw it coming nor did they have powers.

5. They had powers so they resisted. The spell never hit Dorf to turn him into twilight anyways.

6. You won't get it. I cited a definition and you refused to acknowledge it. You're an idiot.

7. No, he needs to resist specific magic like the Twilight or the master sword. Specific magic works.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Quote where the game says "good natured." Ganondorf does in fact hail from the light world.

Prove that they have resistance.

Light is all that is needed. It is stated right in the game.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is implied.

Light is all that is needed. It is stated right in the game.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Misusing language in place of an argument that makes sense. Nothing ever changes.

🙂

The 'game quote' you're using out of context to try and argue against what happens in game.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Stronger, faster with a far higher magical potency.. Ganondorf takes it.

Probably missing out of HP verse feats, though cant remember anything impressive from the films.

Gan get wrecked by link every chance he gets.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The 'game quote' you're using out of context to try and argue against what happens in game.

Originally posted by Supra
Gan get wrecked by link every chance he gets.

Voldemort got wrecked by a teenager who is a rather terrible combatant, twice, in the exact same way

C whut I did thar?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Voldemort got wrecked by a teenager who is a rather terrible combatant, twice, in the exact same way

C whut I did thar?

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link beat him in fair combat. Harry lost to Voldemort multiple times.

🙂

Harry defeated Voldemort, by reflecting his own spell back at him, twice (hoisted by his own petard)

Kinda sucks considering Harry Potter is, again, a terrible combatant who normally has outside help and luck to even last in fights

To put it lightly 😄

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Harry defeated Voldemort, by reflecting his own spell back at him, twice (hoisted by his own petard)

Kinda sucks considering Harry Potter is, again, a terrible combatant who normally has outside help and luck to even last in fights

To put it lightly 😄

Watch the movie, sport.

So what you're basically saying is that Voldemort is so full of fail that he can't even get a simple wooden twig to succumb to his will? Though so.