Prime vs Hyperion

Started by Philosophía16 pages

Originally posted by Mindset
What happened to the energy released in the center?
The same thing that happened with everything - the Universes eventually collapsed into eachother and the cascading energy destroyed everything.

Hyperion was only at the point where the effect started.

Anyway, I've got work and exam tomorrow, you've got rapings, so I'll leave it at this:

Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
It's not so much 'WBH Hulk and Betty" hitting eachother, as it is 'Superman and Ultraman touching eachother'.

If you don't get that analogy, you're hopeless.

Originally posted by Mindset
Thor would ko himself trying to use the GB.

Nope. The only godblast he ko's himself with is the one he blasts on Sif's face every night... smoke

jawdrop

Originally posted by Philosophía
The same thing that happened with everything - the Universes eventually collapsed into eachother and the cascading energy destroyed everything.

Hyperion was only at the point where the effect started.

Anyway, I've got work and exam tomorrow, you've got rapings, so I'll leave it at this:

So they collapsed into each other, then the energy from the center cascaded out and destroyed everything. I sure would have hated being at the center of that explosion, that's for sure!

Damn, crazy stuff. I'm not that good at science, thanks for helping me out. 👆

If it's a science exam it sounds like you're already prepared.

Originally posted by Mindset
So they collapsed into each other, then the energy from the center cascaded out and destroyed everything. I sure would have hated being at the center of that explosion, that's for sure!

Damn, crazy stuff. I'm not that good at science, thanks for helping me out. 👆

Imagine you're naked, turned around from where I am.

I'm hard.

Coming towards you.

The tip of my penis eventually meet your anus. I nullify your virginity

That's the incursion point.

I advance some more, and eventually my body is pressed against your body as I squeeze it tight.

The force that is now pressing against your body, and mine (Newton!) is not the equivalent of the force my tip pressed against your anus at the incursion point.

That was just the start of a cascading effect of pleasure and orgasms our bodies eventually experience.

h5?

I stopped reading at naked.

Queer.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The way most people seem to interpret the scene [and judging by this post, you don't seem to do the same], is that Hyperion palmed the planets, they broke [which is where my question comes from, why did they break?], and then touched eachother, annihilating the Universes.

I’m not entirely sure how you got the world touched each other part all it said was that the worlds were destroyed and the universes with it(unless I missed something).

Reed described that the incursion has an eight hour timer were both worlds/universes will be destroyed and the only way to save it was too
1.)To push a planet back to end of the incursion or
2.)Destroy the planet before the timer.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If what your saying is true, and they broke not due to Hyperion's actions but due to them touching eachother after the 8 hours, then where was Hyperion when they collapsed? Why was he not still holding them?
Basically:
What do you think happened between Hyperion getting between them, and the Universes vanishing?
I didn’t see anything that indicated that the planet touched. Regardless Hyperion was able to hold two planets together(even assuming temporary).

Considering Reed needed the IG to do this task it was quite impressive at least more impressive than pushing the earth like Batman-Prime was claiming.

Hickman is not done yet so I'm sure we will hear more about this.

Originally posted by kgkg
I’m not entirely sure how you got the world touched each other part all it said was that the worlds were destroyed and the universes with it(unless I missed something).

Reed described that the incursion has an eight hour timer were both worlds/universes will be destroyed and the only way to save it was too
1.)To push a planet back to end of the incursion or
2.)Destroy the planet before the timer.

I didn’t see anything that indicated that the planet touched.

If the worlds were destroyed before they touched eachother, then the Universes would be saved. If they touch, everything gets destroyed. That's the entire point of the arc - kill an Earth, to save your Universe.

The fact that you're aware of this, yet still say "how you got the worlds touched eachother?" is rather odd, to say the least.

Originally posted by kgkg
Regardless Hyperion was able to hold two planets together(even assuming temporary).

Considering Reed needed the IG to do this task it was quite impressive at least more impressive than pushing the earth like Batman-Prime was claiming.

Hyperion held the planets until they broke. Why did they break?

Like I said, take it step by step:
1). Hyperion gets between the Earths
...
x). The Universes are destroyed.

Fill the missing description.

Originally posted by kgkg
Hickman is not done yet so I'm sure we will hear more about this.
He said so, as much, even implying Hyperion didn't use physical force to keep the Earths momentarily apart.

But the fanboys have reached boiling point, so it's good for them to have a few weeks to let off some steam, before getting back into the frustrated mode.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He said so, as much, even implying Hyperion didn't use physical force to keep the Earths momentarily apart.

But the fanboys have reached boiling point, so it's good for them to have a few weeks to let off some steam, before getting back into the frustrated mode.

Which interview is this? If true, then Hyperion's feat was all Hype!

well not too put the “Hype” in Hyperion but even without that Crazy feat about him holding 2 universe planets...He was fighting Savage Hulk for a bit...he didn't get hurt that much probably due one of his powers is Invulerability not to be confused by his Super-durability...soo in other words he has more Defense than Offense agaisnt Hulk and possibly he used it elsewhere

Prime chews up Hyperion and spits him out

All I know from this arc that Spectre is far more powerful than that weak ass IG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth1.jpg

He also separated DCU/MU in JLA/Avengers, didn't he?

I think we have successfully broken down 50% of the supposed feat. That Hyperion did not resist 2 universes closing in on him. Those planets were not manifestations of universes and were alternate earths that he tried to prevent from colliding.

This feat (if based on strength) puts Hyperion above Hulk, Thor level but way below Prime. Prime wins.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I think we have successfully broken down 50% of the supposed feat. That Hyperion did not resist 2 universes closing in on him. Those planets were not manifestations of universes and were alternate earths that he tried to prevent from colliding.

This feat (if based on strength) puts Hyperion above Hulk, Superman, and Thor level but way below Prime. Prime wins.

Correction (even though you all haven't proven anything).

Originally posted by carver9
Correction (even though you all haven't proven anything).

So what broke and what collapsed?

If there is no answer, then I'll assume that you concede.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If the worlds were destroyed before they touched eachother, then the Universes would be saved. If they touch, everything gets destroyed. That's the entire point of the arc - kill an Earth, to save your Universe.

The fact that you're aware of this, yet still say "how you got the worlds touched eachother?" is rather odd, to say the least.

Hyperion held the planets until they broke. Why did they break?

Like I said, take it step by step:
1). Hyperion gets between the Earths
...
x). The Universes are destroyed.

Fill the missing description.


I mean it wasn’t clear that the earth collided in Avengers #4 it seems like he held it together until the world broke. I’m not so sure that worlds have to collide for the universes to be destroyed that’s where I think the 8 hours comes into play.

So at the incursion point both earths are aligned to the same space/time – they have 8 hours to either destroy one of the planets or push a planet out of the incursion zone. If neither is done within 8 hours everything things goes kaboom. Usually in 8 hours the earth would collide but if someone holds the earth like Hyperion did- this does not stop both universes from pushing toward the incursion point and the gravitation force of two universes gets too much to a point where everything breaks down. So in sort if planets are not destroyed naturally(before 8 hours) which would stop the incursion; rather the earth are destroyed because it passed the 8 hours limit where I’m assuming the gravitation pull of both universes are at their highest.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He said so, as much, even implying Hyperion didn't use physical force to keep the Earths momentarily apart.

But the fanboys have reached boiling point, so it's good for them to have a few weeks to let off some steam, before getting back into the frustrated mode.

Even if nothing is explained it's not like he will be fighting Galactus or something. It's clear he will be a top tier character- probably below hulk.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I think we have successfully broken down 50% of the supposed feat. That Hyperion did not resist 2 universes closing in on him. Those planets were not manifestations of universes and were alternate earths that he tried to prevent from colliding.

This feat (if based on strength) puts Hyperion above Hulk, Thor level but way below Prime. Prime wins.

I'm curious what do you think happened?

Originally posted by kgkg
I'm curious what do you think happened?

Hyperion tried to prevent 2 earths from colliding and positioned himself between them. Although Hyperion did hold his own, the pressure from the movement of the earths pushing them against each other opposed by Hyperion pushing back caused the worlds or earths to break. I stated on page 2 of this thread as to why i believe that Hyperion was keeping the 2 earths apart and not the universes. So far it hasn't been countered..

I feel, that Hyperion displayed planetary level strength. His tanking 2x Universe buster is still open for debate. Both are great feats, but they don't give him a win over SBP.

wouldnt it matter to how much force was behind the planets as well? Factors we will never know

maybe the force of the planets was immeasurable which is why he could not use his hands to hold them apart.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Now, back to that "Why did the Earths break when Hyperion was holding them?" part..
My interpretation is that the earths were, essentially, the physical contact point for each universe. Once the earths broke, and were no longer there for Hype to physically hold back, the universes were able to contact one another at a metaphysical level, which started a cascade-effect that ultimately nullified both universes. Here is an extremely crude illustration that hopefully gives you a better idea of what I'm saying:

Hype was in the neutral/white space stopping the earths from colliding which, in turn, prevented the universes from contacting. As for why the earths broke: the sheer forces exerted by entire universes pushing against Hype from both directions, and Hype meeting those forces with an equal/opposite level of force, would surely crumble planets.

That is purely my opinion, though. Only time/future issues will tell. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
All I know from this arc that Spectre is far more powerful than that weak ass IG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/spectreearth1.jpg

He also separated DCU/MU in JLA/Avengers, didn't he?

He sure did: