Prime vs Hyperion

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I'm pretty sure Hulk one-shotted Thor. Cap's dialogue straight after seems to indicate hes the only one left standing on the Avengers team and the following sequence doesn't really fit with the idea that there was some offscreen battle going on. No big deal though as it was a 100% blindside sucker attack.

He didn't thankfully.

We see one punch, then the panels shift to cap getting the crap beaten out of him, then it's three days later with a tied up Thor and an unconscious Hulk. What happened in between is iffy.

True, it was a complete sucker shot, but still not a one shot.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He didn't thankfully.

We see one punch, then the panels shift to cap getting the crap beaten out of him, then it's three days later with a tied up Thor and an unconscious Hulk. What happened in between is iffy.

True, it was a complete sucker shot, but still not a one shot.

I hate to quote Hickman for the umpteenth time but according to him Hulk was sleeping. Which i would probably attribute to him just taking the piss but as you say several days passed between the fight and the rest of the interrogation stuff. And when someone said seriously though what happened his response was pretty much "What makes you think I am joking?"

Mainly though i think the simplest, most Occam's razorish interpretation of the sequence is that Thor went down there and then. Hence Cap's "You think you've won don't you. Not while I'm still standing speech."

How about another Hyperion feat that SBP can't match?? Hmmm?

Or better yet, some SBP speed, striking feats Hyperion can't match. 😄

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I hate to quote Hickman for the umpteenth time but according to him Hulk was sleeping. Which i would probably attribute to him just taking the piss but as you say several days passed between the fight and the rest of the interrogation stuff. And when someone said seriously though what happened his response was pretty much "What makes you think I am joking?"

Mainly though i think the simplest, most Occam's razorish interpretation of the sequence is that Thor went down there and then. Hence Cap's "You think you've won don't you. Not while I'm still standing speech."

Ok, so he was sleeping lol. That's...stupid. But whatever.

Depends how you see it. He could have also been saying that now that Thor's occupied, he's the only one left to fight the actual villains. Only punch was seen by the Hulk, Thor gets knocked down likely, but to consider it a one shot is a stretch for me.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Ok, so he was sleeping lol. That's...stupid. But whatever.

Depends how you see it. He could have also been saying that now that Thor's occupied, he's the only one left to fight the actual villains. Only punch was seen by the Hulk, Thor gets knocked down likely, but to consider it a one shot is a stretch for me.

It could have gone that way - theres nothing on panel to prove it didn't. But the way the book reads, with each hero getting owned in about a page and the aforementioned stuff lead me to interpret it as a one-shot. Well that and my lust for all things gamma-irradiated.

Originally posted by Galan007
Those universes appear to have been nullified. All that remained of said universes were Hyperion, and a white/blank void(meaning even high-end abstracts, like Eternity, were erased at a conceptual level.) What's even more impressive is that Hype didn't just survive the event-- he survived completely uninjured. At any rate, I personally do not believe that the destruction occurring as a cascade effect diminishes the nullification-esque energies that Hype tanked. Why? Because the same type of destruction/nullification that occurred at the ends of those universes(the end of the 'cascade'😉, also occurred where Hype was(the incursion/origin point.) Just MO.

But like others have said: it is entirely possible that Hickman will 'expand' on Hype's universal feats in such a way that they become less impressive-- but judging by his comments on formspring, I doubt that will be the case. Imo, that haxxed feat is here to stay. /shrug

The fact that He is the last surviving being is impressive, I agree.

But We have to consider what caused Eternity to die and what caused Hyperion to survive.

Like you said, hopefully We will get more answers in the future, as for now I think Carver will run around screaming that Hyperion is more durable than an Abstract entity. 😄

You kinda have to take the feat for what it is at the moment. Hyperion survived over everything else in the two universes. He also held them apart(depending on how you interpret it). Either way you need to wait for other evidence to be provided to counter argue this feat.

tbh I cant imagine there not being an explanation for what happened

Originally posted by bbrem123
You kinda have to take the feat for what it is at the moment. Hyperion survived over everything else in the two universes. He also held them apart(depending on how you interpret it). Either way you need to wait for other evidence to be provided to counter argue this feat.

Even at this moment, Hyperion is nothing more than [which is impressive in itself] a 'top tier' with planet holding strength [something that is basically a first for Marvel] if he actually palmed them and didn't do something else, and arguable durability showing [evidence and, I can't stress this enough, logic, would say that he's not more durable than two Eternities].

Clarification is needed, moreso for the latter feat, but even as it is, he doesn't have a prayer in this thread.

He still skyrocketed very high on the food chain from the get-go[I'd already say he is stronger than many of the Marvel/DC higher ups like, say, Thor and Wonder Woman (pre-DCnU)], but that's about it.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
It could have gone that way - theres nothing on panel to prove it didn't. But the way the book reads, with each hero getting owned in about a page and the aforementioned stuff lead me to interpret it as a one-shot. Well that and my lust for all things gamma-irradiated.

You can see it that way to I guess. Unless Hickman confirms one way or the other, this is just a difference in interpretation I guess. Mine being to my boys favor of course lol 👆

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're confusing what you want it to be, with what evidence and logic show.

Even at this moment, Hyperion is nothing more than [which is impressive in itself] a 'top tier' with planet holding strength [something that is basically a first for Marvel] if he actually palmed them and didn't do something else, and arguable durability showing [evidence and, I can't stress this enough, logic, would say that he's not more durable than two Eternities].

Clarification is needed, moreso for the latter feat, but even as it is, he doesn't have a prayer in this thread.

He still skyrocketed very high on the food chain from the get-go[I'd already say he is stronger than many of the Marvel/DC higher ups like, say, Thor and Wonder Woman (pre-DCnU)], but that's about it.

Lol.

Meh, lifting planets is just evidence of poor plot, not evidence of weakness.