Prime vs Hyperion

Started by Philosophía16 pages
Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

I'll make it short:

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Since hype was able to keep it at a stand still even for a moment he was in fact keeping the force of to colliding universes apart.
That can't be true, for the simple fact that the Earths can't withstand the force of the entire Universes pushing against them [while Hyperion is stopping them from advancing on the other side]. Hyperion held them apart, until the pressure got big enough that they broke.

If expanding my analogy works better for you, think of it as the two balloons being super-glued to the front ends of the truck.
As they close in, there's a moment in time where they're not advancing beyond the palms of your hands.
But, eventually, the pressure of the trucks advancing breaks them.
You're still not, at any point, capable of stopping the two trucks.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by Galan007
So.... You like my paint drawing, eh? 😛

Anyway, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. The reason I believe both universes were destroyed during the Hyperion fiasco is because both worlds were still destroyed. When Reed explained the incursion, he remarked that both earths/universes reach the same harmonic/vibrational alignment-- then 8 hours later, the earths collide, which causes the destruction of both universes... UNLESS: a.) one of said earths is destroyed first, or b.) one of said earths/universes is pushed back, beyond the incursion.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15144730/New_Avengers_002-Zone-018.jpg.html

I believe that because BOTH of the earths were destroyed as a result of Hype's attempt at preventing them from colliding, it was indistinguishable(on a cosmic level) from said universes naturally smashing together, thus the universes were still nullified. The moral of the story thus far seems to be: destroy an earth to save an earth/universe-- or allow the earths to smash together, and both earths/universes die.

I don't think it makes sense that both worlds being destroyed without them touching eachother would destroy the Universes, when destroy either one could save it. I mean, eliminating either one, eliminates the incursion point. If you destroy both, the same effect should happen, regardless.

Anyway, that's just semantics..
What I wanted to discuss is that Hyperion didn't push display Universe-pushing strength at any point, and we seem to agree. 👆

Now, about him surviving the two 'big bangs'..
ha-som

Would you like us to bust that too?

yaadaveyaa Senior Member

supes was able to survive several supernovas on panel as well just to throw that out there hes just as durable or more durable and stronger prime should win this and hypes new fts just rnt conclusive enough yet

Zack Fair Fanboy

Eventhough Philo's analogy makes sense...

Originally posted by Zack Fair
LoL at Superbutthurt.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't think it makes sense that both worlds being destroyed without them touching eachother would destroy the Universes, when destroy either one could save it. I mean, eliminating either one, eliminates the incursion point. If you destroy both, the same effect should happen, regardless.
That's not how I took Reed's explanation, but w/e.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Anyway, that's just semantics..
What I wanted to discuss is that Hyperion didn't push display Universe-pushing strength at any point, and we seem to agree. 👆
It's logical. I don't think there's a reason to argue it until we get more info. 👆

Originally posted by Philosophía
Now, about him surviving the two 'big bangs'..
ha-som

Would you like us to bust that too?

Meh, I believe it's all the same energy. That is to say: I personally do not believe that the universe-nullifying energies became power powerful the further outward they spread. In the end, everything was nullified just the same. Nullification is nullification. Whether you believe he tanked the equivalent of big bangs cuming on his face is a different topic entirely. I personally think it's more impressive that he endured a detonation that erased even conceptual beings, like Eternity/Infinity, from existence.
srug

But ya, we really need more information before we can argue these things in depth(hopefully we won't need to argue at all when everything is said and done.)

carver9 Senior Member

Question...what was pushing against both Earths.

The Sorrow Senior Member

Did I really just see scans with Thor trapped by titanium vines on top of being one-shotted by Hulk? While the "Superman clone" was actually able to fight Hulk toe to toe with a smile on his face AND stop two planets from colliding under the same writer? 😕

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Did I really just see scans with Thor trapped by titanium vines on top of being one-shotted by Hulk? While the "Superman clone" was actually able to fight Hulk toe to toe with a smile on his face AND stop two planets from colliding under the same writer? 😕

You forgot "tank two universe level worth of power without a scratch. Yep, everything you've said is correct. Hickman even states that Hulk is still stronger than this clone.

😛

Zack Fair Fanboy
Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

😂

It's quite appropriate Hulk fans' mental gift is proportional to Hulk's himself.

Some of them are able to form sentences, other babble but in the end - most are savages.

bbrem123 Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
😂

It's quite appropriate Hulk fans' mental gift is proportional to Hulk's himself.

Some of them are able to form sentences, other babble but in the end - most are savages.

hahaha

The Sorrow Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
You forgot "tank two universe level worth of power without a scratch. Yep, everything you've said is correct. Hickman even states that Hulk is still stronger than this clone.

😛


This is Marvel right? Wow how the mighty have fallen. Since when could titanium hold Thor? You would think Marvel was being fan-written judging by some of the stories I've read or heard about lately. This is a big push for Hyperion though even if this isn't the original, I knew Hickman said Hype was going to be the "teams biggest ass-kicker" but i'm quite surprised he went to this extent.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Did I really just see scans with Thor trapped by titanium vines on top of being one-shotted by Hulk? While the "Superman clone" was actually able to fight Hulk toe to toe with a smile on his face AND stop two planets from colliding under the same writer? 😕

meh.. it was an off-hand comment of "like molded titanium".. they did add the fact he was held with the "best traps" because he was the most powerful. it was needed PIS to shine the spotlight on the new members. he really could have just called Mjolnir to smash the damn thing.

Zack Fair Fanboy

Thor shouldn't be allowed to do shit anymore. Someone needs to give him his classic era collection of comic books. He might remember some of the stuff he can and has done.

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
meh.. it was an off-hand comment of "like molded titanium".. they did add the fact he was held with the "best traps" because he was the most powerful. it was needed PIS to shine the spotlight on the new members. he really could have just called Mjolnir to smash the damn thing.

Spiderman was breaking pieces of it off. 😕

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman was breaking pieces of it off. 😕

Did you catch the part where i said it was a bit PISsy and he could have just called Mjolnir to smash the damned thing?

Damborgson King of the Damboys
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Did I really just see scans with Thor trapped by titanium vines on top of being one-shotted by Hulk? While the "Superman clone" was actually able to fight Hulk toe to toe with a smile on his face AND stop two planets from colliding under the same writer? 😕

Not quite. Whatever they were made of, they were strong enough for wolverine to exert himself cutting them iirc and however possible, Thor wasn't able to call Mjolnir to his hand while being wrapped by them. Hulk didn't one shot Thor, it was just the only part of the fight we saw. The rest is speculation.

They hyperion feat is something though...

Fifthchild Restricted

Originally posted by Damborgson
Not quite. Whatever they were made of, they were strong enough for wolverine to exert himself cutting them iirc and however possible, Thor wasn't able to call Mjolnir to his hand while being wrapped by them. Hulk didn't one shot Thor, it was just the only part of the fight we saw. The rest is speculation.

They hyperion feat is something though...

I'm pretty sure Hulk one-shotted Thor. Cap's dialogue straight after seems to indicate hes the only one left standing on the Avengers team and the following sequence doesn't really fit with the idea that there was some offscreen battle going on. No big deal though as it was a 100% blindside sucker attack.

Diesldude Senior Member

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did you catch the part where i said it was a bit PISsy and he could have just called Mjolnir to smash the damned thing?
It's pis i agree because since when did thor ever need mjolnir to break out of titanium bonds.

With all of his recent showings and now his, I really wonder where he is ranked now..

On a side note, a unrestrained planet pusher two shot the hulk into banner.

Carver what level is this current hulk operating on?

carver9 Senior Member

Hyperion didn't transform him back to Banner...the mindcontroll that he was under disappeared.