Prime vs Hyperion

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Abstracts of a Universe are bound to that Universe, the heroes travel between them.
Depends on where he was and where the collapsing happened, left and right of him but not on him?

He wasn't pushing just holding an I can hold more weight then push or press. Especially if the same weight comes from left and right. So I still don't see it as the double of earths weight. If you happened to be indestructible I could try to squash you between tons and you wouldn't have a trouble being just there and holding those tons apart.

It has to do with strength as it wasn't even near his limit and he did it with ease. Even after 5 days without the sun which decreases his strenght significantly he did it without breaking a sweat, oh well just this one. So a depleted DCnU Superman can lift the earth with ease. Hyperion can hold two Planets apart. Prime can change the center of the Universe with his bare hands and FC Superman can lift infinity.

And yes, Hyperion and Glads are Marvels Superman but they are still "weaker" by feats. Only time will tell if one will grow stronger then DCnU, till now the best I can see is an equal in strength.

Not all abstracts are bound to their respective universes. Certainly not all skyfathers, trans and elder gods.

Positioning would be relevant if there was a sector of this "universe" that survived when everything went poof. Other than him, the entirety of the 2 universes were just gone, even empty space. And, unless alluded to by the comic, positioning is just a theory and has nothing to do (and shouldn't be used in debating) with the actual "feat" until a future issue says that it did.

I disagree here. But admittedly, it would be based on anecdotal evidence based on what I believe would be the case. But I kind of see your theory as the same. It would be great if we could find actual evidence online that supports that the weight a person can keep apart via each arm is more than what he can lift via bench press (like I said, I can bench 150 with 10 reps, around 120 with ease as my warmup weight and I don't really see myself keeping 150 lbs on each arm apart for long at all). Heck, via artwork, it looks like the way his arms were positioned, it would be like trying to keep the weight apart via your delts.

I'm keeping an open mind on the matter if you can link me to some instances wherein this is the case, however. Heck, if you let me lie on my side, raise one arm and put 150 lbs on it, I doubt I'd be able to keep that weight up for long at all if it doesn't just drop on me. I'll test this theory out at the gym (that is if they let me, lol) later when I get back. I'm off to Vegas with my gf for Valentine's so I'll prolly be able to debate with ye (via Iphone from 15 mins from now onwards, tho).

Unless it's inherently shown in a comic that DCnU Superman is "depleted" when separated from the sun for 5 days, the only that can be definitively proven here is that a) his solar storage can last for 5 days, b) he did it without exerting max effort.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Until Hyperion gets more feats, there's very little to justify saying he would beat Prime imo.

Prime wins.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I'm cool with it as long as is a Superman clone doing the deed.

But the scan states cascade effect and you can't change that.

But tbh i have not read the issue, just seen the scan and the scan mentions cascade effect and that sounds to me...well, like cascade effect.

Originally posted by bbrem123
I'm looking forward to his future feats. He was telling Thor he was more powerful on our earth. Lets see were they go with that.

I hope it at the very least has some consistency.

Originally posted by bbrem123
It was confirmed by Hickman that he survived 2 universes exploding.

It's not enough to completely change the character's standing without giving us more.

I never try to deny that he could survive a 2 universe cascade effect destruction.

Is a fact that he survived the destruction of two universes, however this was a cascade effect not a clean cut vaporizing explosion.

This is the idea i got from what i read, which it seems to me that keeps him at his usual power level. Weather we might agree or not is a diferent story.

I will get the issue and read it, but so far for what i have seen. Is an nice feat cleverly worded to make it sound more than what it is. Imo anyway

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Not all abstracts are bound to their respective universes. Certainly not all skyfathers, trans and elder gods.

Positioning would be relevant if there was a sector of this "universe" that survived when everything went poof. Other than him, the entirety of the 2 universes were just gone, even empty space. And, unless alluded to by the comic, positioning is just a theory and has nothing to do (and shouldn't be used in debating) with the actual "feat" until a future issue says that it did.

I disagree here. But admittedly, it would be based on anecdotal evidence based on what I believe would be the case. But I kind of see your theory as the same. It would be great if we could find actual evidence online that supports that the weight a person can keep apart via each arm is more than what he can lift via bench press (like I said, I can bench 150 with 10 reps, around 120 with ease as my warmup weight and I don't really see myself keeping 150 lbs on each arm apart for long at all). Heck, via artwork, it looks like the way his arms were positioned, it would be like trying to keep the weight apart via your delts.

I'm keeping an open mind on the matter if you can link me to some instances wherein this is the case, however. Heck, if you let me lie on my side, raise one arm and put 150 lbs on it, I doubt I'd be able to keep that weight up for long at all if it doesn't just drop on me. I'll test this theory out at the gym (that is if they let me, lol) later when I get back. I'm off to Vegas with my gf for Valentine's so I'll prolly be able to debate with ye (via Iphone from 15 mins from now onwards, tho).

Unless it's inherently shown in a comic that DCnU Superman is "depleted" when separated from the sun for 5 days, the only that can be definitively proven here is that a) his solar storage can last for 5 days, b) he did it without exerting max effort.

And we don't know how many existed there or if any, so it's rather vague.

They collapsed which left just this "space" he was floatin in.

I'm today at the gym. I just can't think of an exercise that would come near of supporting two weights on each sides without them falling down iow without gravitys pull. Though I know I can support far more weight then actually lift or press. Being in the center of two weights that you body can "endure" iow that won't crush you to death is kind of tricky, it should be far more then you bench press me thinks.

Nevermind, I will test it too, though differently ^^. Enjoy Vegas and all. ^^

Actually after that feat before he fought the Kryptonian dragon he needed to fly close to the sun to restore his energy, though he couldn't even fully restore it because of the attack.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I hope it at the very least has some consistency.

Not going to be surprised though if there is no consistency ha

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I never try to deny that he could survive a 2 universe cascade effect destruction.

Is a fact that he survived the destruction of two universes, however this was a cascade effect not a clean cut vaporizing explosion.

This is the idea i got from what i read, which it seems to me that keeps him at his usual power level. Weather we might agree or not is a diferent story.

I will get the issue and read it, but so far for what i have seen. Is an nice feat cleverly worded to make it sound more than what it is. Imo anyway

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
And we don't know how many existed there or if any, so it's rather vague.

They collapsed which left just this "space" he was floatin in.

I'm today at the gym. I just can't think of an exercise that would come near of supporting two weights on each sides without them falling down iow without gravitys pull. Though I know I can support far more weight then actually lift or press. Being in the center of two weights that you body can "endure" iow that won't crush you to death is kind of tricky, it should be far more then you bench press me thinks.

Nevermind, I will test it too, though differently ^^. Enjoy Vegas and all. ^^

Actually after that feat before he fought the Kryptonian dragon he needed to fly close to the sun to restore his energy, though he couldn't even fully restore it because of the attack.

Universes in the MU beyond the New Universe (where the Starbrand came from) tend to adhere to tbe basic rule of having abstracts/elder gods/skyfathers/etc. somewhere in their reality. For you assumption to be true, there has to be proof that the Universe Hyperion came from functions FAR differently than the other universes shown in Marvel thus far. And not only should that be true, but the same should also coincidentally apply to the OTHER universe that was present during said event. That would be a bit of a coincidental stretch, IMO.

All in all, the "feat" simply showed that Hyperion was far more durable than anything in his universe. We can argue what the limitations of that are, but I think we can agree on the primary statement. Hyperion >>> anything in said universes.

Space isn't white, tho. There should have been total darkness rather than simple "white" in the absence of stars in the universe. "White" space is usually symbolic of total annihilation in comic-speak (aka UN). Tho, admittedly, that is simply the interpretation of many artists/authors and not all.

I'm not sure the folks at the gym would take kindly to me lying on my side and keeping the 150lbs supported on one arm. Lol. If the weight doesn't fall down and kill me, I'd prolly need to find another gym if I tried it.

Anyway, pls don't attempt this at risk of injury. 😛

Weren't people using the Kryptonian dragon as some sort of low showing for Superman (I know they were issues apart IIRC) ?

Edit. Well, I'm off to Vegas, man! Still have an hour and half drive to Phillie. I'll prolly post on my Iphone while still at the terminal, but it would prolly be short and have bad grammar/spelling (as typing anything on the Iphone sux).

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I never try to deny that he could survive a 2 universe cascade effect destruction.

Is a fact that he survived the destruction of two universes, however this was a cascade effect not a clean cut vaporizing explosion.

But like others have said: it is entirely possible that Hickman will 'expand' on Hype's universal feats in such a way that they become less impressive-- but judging by his comments on formspring, I doubt that will be the case. Imo, that haxxed feat is here to stay. /shrug

---

I also find it laughably stoopid when people(not you) try to use Hype's scuffle with Hulk as a low feat... This, again, is everything we were shown of their battle:

(I cropped those panels from the rest of the pages to make it easier for everyone to view the Hulk/Hype battle exclusively.)

Anyway, Hulk struck Hype a few times(causing absolutely NO damage), and then Hype socked Hulk so hard that he reverted back to Banner. How in the world is that a low feat for Hype? How does that diminish his power levels in any way/shape/form?

it doesn't.

👆

Has Carver denounced Gladiator and embraced Hyperion "because he is such a great character" yet? Bound to happen.

Prime punches Hyperion back to the nothingness of his dead universe.

Come to me unbelievers!

Originally posted by Galan007
Those universes appear to have been nullified. All that remained of said universes were Hyperion, and a white/blank void(meaning even high-end abstracts, like Eternity, were erased at a conceptual level.) What's even more impressive is that Hype didn't just survive the event-- he survived completely uninjured. At any rate, I personally do not believe that the destruction occurring as a cascade effect diminishes the nullification-esque energies that Hype tanked. Why? Because the same type of destruction/nullification that occurred at the ends of those universes(the end of the 'cascade'😉, also occurred where Hype was(the incursion/origin point.) Just MO.

But like others have said: it is entirely possible that Hickman will 'expand' on Hype's universal feats in such a way that they become less impressive-- but judging by his comments on formspring, I doubt that will be the case. Imo, that haxxed feat is here to stay. /shrug

---

I also find it laughably stoopid when people(not you) try to use Hype's scuffle with Hulk as a low feat... This, again, is everything we were shown of their battle:

(I cropped those panels from the rest of the pages to make it easier for everyone to view the Hulk/Hype battle exclusively.)

Anyway, Hulk struck Hype a few times(causing absolutely NO damage), and then Hype socked Hulk so hard that he reverted back to Banner. How in the world is that a low feat for Hype? How does that diminish his power levels in any way/shape/form?

JonathanHickman
Did Hyperion just beat the %$#@ out of the Hulk in Avengers #3? It sure looks like Hyperion hit him with a left hook and Hulk turns back into Banner - straight humbled!!! Am I interpreting that wrong?

Thor called down lightning and it shook Hulk free from the control of Abyss.

http://www.formspring.me/JonathanHickman/q/418643308298918749

He also said hulk was stronger than hyperion.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?434524-Avengers-Jonathan-Hickman-Q-A&p=16244371&viewfull=1#post16244371

Its really inconsistent with how he is portraying hyperion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk reverted to banner due to being out of mind-control, not due to hyperion's punches.

http://www.formspring.me/JonathanHickman/q/418643308298918749

He also said hulk was stronger than hyperion.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?434524-Avengers-Jonathan-Hickman-Q-A&p=16244371&viewfull=1#post16244371

Its really inconsistent with how he is portraying hyperion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk reverted to banner due to being out of mind-control, not due to hyperion's punches.

http://www.formspring.me/JonathanHickman/q/418643308298918749

He also said hulk was stronger than hyperion.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?434524-Avengers-Jonathan-Hickman-Q-A&p=16244371&viewfull=1#post16244371

Its really inconsistent with how he is portraying hyperion.

People were trying to use that scuffle as a low showing for Hyperion. It clearly wasn't. That was my only point.

Just give me the word, Galan, and I will phuck him up.

I bet he doesn't even lift.

Originally posted by Galan007
This has nothing to do with anything I said. srsly

People were trying to use that scuffle as a low showing for Hyperion. It clearly wasn't. That was my only point.

Ok so now Hickman says that Hulk is the strongest. Stronger than Hype who ambiguously pushed 2 universes?

I swear, with Hickman you have to wait until arcs are completely over and done with. I mean, with all the conflicting responses he's given, it's hard to make any sense of it all. 😬