Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok so now Hickman says that Hulk is the strongest. Stronger than Hype who ambiguously pushed 2 universes?I swear, with Hickman you have to wait until arcs are completely over and done with. I mean, with all the conflicting responses he's given, it's hard to make any sense of it all. 😬
Originally posted by abhilegendI see what you're saying. Chalk it up to a haxxed feat--- most characters have them. 😛
I know. Its just that he seems around thor level in strength by one issue and around IG level by another. Its quite inconsistent IMO.
Originally posted by abhilegendQuestion:"Out of all the revealed members of your Avengers who is the overall strongest? Hyperion? Captain Universe?"
He also said hulk was stronger than hyperion.
I personally think it's clear that this person is asking who the most powerful member of the Avengers is--- as Captain Universe typically isn't quantified by physical strength(which is how you seem to have taken that question.)
Answer: "Isn't it locked in that Hulk is the strongest, full stop?"
Hickman answered that dude's question with another question... A great way to avoid the initial question all together. ie. Hickman didn't properly answer anything. Aside from that, I think it's pretty obvious that Hulk certainly isn't more powerful than CU. But like I've said before: only time will tell. /shrug
Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok so now Hickman says that Hulk is the strongest. Stronger than Hype who ambiguously pushed 2 universes?I swear, with Hickman you have to wait until arcs are completely over and done with. I mean, with all the conflicting responses he's given, it's hard to make any sense of it all. 😬
Hickman doesn't believe there is a single character stronger than Hulk along with other writers, so I don't see the issue with his statement (even though Hyperion should be able to murder Hulk in a fight).
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Is name calling and being overall abrasive your only way of communicating with people (you don't see people calling you Dildodude, do you?)?
Since you are on your way to Vegas, you probably won't be able to respond as much, so there is no point in continuing this pissing contest.
But Dildodude? C'mon that's how you respond to Nabisco? LOL you would have walked into a world of hurt with this one.
I could have taken this anywhere, but I won't because like I said before no point in continuing back and forth this name calling and I'm getting this out first.
Originally posted by NibedicusI call out poor logic when I see it. Why would I need to disprove your other posts when I'm not representing Hyperion in this debate?
Since you are not representing Hyperion, my opposing side, what you really did was derail this thread.
Of all the previous posts in this thread, you choose,
Originally posted by Diesldude
I think benching earth feat > than keeping 2 planets apart.
This means that you agree with my interpretation of the strength feat, or you are going out of your way to find fault in my posting to what goal? IDK, but why get involved when you aren't representing the opposing side? Faulty logic? I think not, re read my post please, I stated my opinion. If you disagree with this and you wish to derail this thread, just say it, state your opinion, back it up if you wish, but don't make snide superman fan logic bias cr@p especially when you weren't involved with the original discussion.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You seriously need to get your head out of the whole "you need to argue all my points" or you're lame kinda attitude. Not everyone will adhere to that system that you're trying to impose on me.
No one is imposing anything on you, but if you want to discuss/scrutinize irrelevant comments and derail threads, that's on you.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Superhuman beings have superhuman stamina. Your attempt at a comparison is silly as no normal person (w/c I am) can bench anything for 5 days.We're talking about Superhumans here. You want to know how silly it would look if I throw your bad logic back at you? Let me show you: A normal person can bench around, let's say 150 lbs for 10 reps w/ sweating a single sweat drop. Superman can bench 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons or 14,550,500,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs. If his stamina is proportionate to his strength comparable to a human, then he must bench the planet at least 145,505,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Let's say each rep takes half a second (while Superman has super speed, I doubt the machine would be able to survive if he started flailing it around at super speed). Which would mean he'd have to keep lifting for 2,306,966,641,298.83 years to make it even proportional. Now I could have missed a zero or 2 somewhere there (as counting all the zeroes is kinda annoying), but I'm sure you get the point.
What does this prove?
1) Superman stamina is not that much greater against humans as his strength is (comparably).
2) Comic logic should not be applied to real world scenarios.You might wanna think about w/c of the 2 is more appropriate for this scenario. 😉
I hope you didn't spend a lot of time coming up with these numbers.
The feat I postulated on was superman benching earth weight non stop for 5 days. How does one cap his strength based on this because there is no mention of a 1 rep max. I hope you know what that is.
Since we don't know superman's max based on the bench press feat, we can't put a limit to his strength level, I 'm not saying he has infinite strength just saying that there is no way to cap his strength based on this feat.
Superman was benching 6.5 sextillion tons for 5 days straight, this shows how easy it was for him. You try 1/10 of your max and you may based on your conditioning, go 5 minutes without sweating.
So in all likelihood superman could have benched 10 times what he was benching in that feat.
All this is really irrelevant and unrelated to the topic. I stated my opinion and you called me out on it as being illogical and biased. All I did here was explain my opinion and the logic behind my thinking. And it should be clear that this was no superman fan logic bias even though it was in reply to an obvious bait post.
Anyways, just wanted to straighten this out and I know you probably wont be able to post, but if you want to continue this feat discussion when you get back, let me know. So have fun in Vegas, check out TAO, I have a friend who is a club promoter and he hooked me up some hot chicks the last time I went down there LOL
Originally posted by Galan007
I see what you're saying. Chalk it up to a haxxed feat--- most characters have them. 😛
Fair enough.
Question:"Out of all the revealed members of your Avengers who is the overall strongest? Hyperion? Captain Universe?"Like sundipped said and I'm saying for awhile, we should wait for some more explanations.I personally think it's clear that this person is asking who the most powerful member of the Avengers is--- as Captain Universe typically isn't quantified by physical strength(which is how you seem to have taken that question.)
Answer: "Isn't it locked in that Hulk is the strongest, full stop?"
Hickman answered that dude's question with another question... A great way to avoid the initial question all together. ie. Hickman didn't properly answer anything. Aside from that, I think it's pretty obvious that Hulk certainly isn't more powerful than CU. But like I've said before: only time will tell. /shrug
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I never try to deny that he could survive a 2 universe cascade effect destruction.Is a fact that he survived the destruction of two universes, however this was a cascade effect not a clean cut vaporizing explosion.
This is the idea i got from what i read, which it seems to me that keeps him at his usual power level. Weather we might agree or not is a diferent story.
I will get the issue and read it, but so far for what i have seen. Is an nice feat cleverly worded to make it sound more than what it is. Imo anyway
I agree with this, even- though hyperion has shown insane durability, he survived for a reason, maybe his location when the universe collapsed? who knows, but I can see where Galan is coming from too. That hyperion survived a nullification unscratched and did to the Hulk what Zeus himself amped and all couldn't do.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok so now Hickman says that Hulk is the strongest. Stronger than Hype who ambiguously pushed 2 universes?I swear, with Hickman you have to wait until arcs are completely over and done with. I mean, with all the conflicting responses he's given, it's hard to make any sense of it all. 😬
Some of hickman's responses were bordering on trolling the questioner. That's why I went by the dialogue in the comic instead of his answers to implied feats by his twitter followers (no insult intended).
^ Some of Hickman's questions are better answered than others. Given that this event is still very new, and FAR from over, he's being overtly cautious as to not give away too much info regarding future events/portrayals... As any writer would do.
That said, when asked who the strongest Avenger was, he responded with another question. Two questions do not make a legitimate/reliable answer. Just saying.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Some of Hickman's questions are better answered than others. Given that this event is still very new, and FAR from over, he's being overtly cautious as to not give away too much info regarding future events/portrayals... As any writer would do.That said, when asked who the strongest Avenger was, he responded with another question. Two questions do not make a legitimate/reliable answer. Just saying.
Exactly, this is why I have called his responses vague and ambiguous at best. We can't expect him to spoil future plots :-)
He's not going to spoil any part of any plot--- if character power-levels play a part in said plot, he's not going to spoil those either.
All he really does on formspring is clarify happenings in comics that have already been released--- and if a particular storyline is finished, you'll get more detailed answers. Personally, I dig that... Most writers won't give random fans the time of day. 👆
Originally posted by Sundipped
Ok so now Hickman says that Hulk is the strongest. Stronger than Hype who ambiguously pushed 2 universes?I swear, with Hickman you have to wait until arcs are completely over and done with. I mean, with all the conflicting responses he's given, it's hard to make any sense of it all. 😬
What's hard to understand?
Hulk > Hyperion ~ Infinity Gauntlet >>>>>>>>>>> Superman
Just common sense really.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Some of Hickman's questions are better answered than others. Given that this event is still very new, and FAR from over, he's being overtly cautious as to not give away too much info regarding future events/portrayals... As any writer would do.That said, when asked who the strongest Avenger was, he responded with another question. Two questions do not make a legitimate/reliable answer. Just saying.
Understood......now....
If only we can get people to stop posting responses from his account to solidify/justify what's actually taking/going to take place, then everything will be fine.
Originally posted by carver9
Hickman doesn't believe there is a single character stronger than Hulk along with other writers, so I don't see the issue with his statement (even though Hyperion should be able to murder Hulk in a fight).
If you believe Hype murders Hulk, then how is he going to do it if Hulk is stronger? You must be giving Hype the edge because of speed. You said he "murders" him. Can't believe you sold Hulk out like that. Excuse me while I pinch myself cause this can't be real. 🙂
Originally posted by Sundipped
If you believe Hype murders Hulk, then how is he going to do it if Hulk is stronger? You must be giving Hype the edge because of speed. You said he "murders" him. Can't believe you sold Hulk out like that. Excuse me while I pinch myself cause this can't be real. 🙂
The guy withstood 2 universes exploding on him. Hulk isn't stopping him.
