Prime vs Hyperion

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It's a force of something showing. He held 2 planets back until they broke apart from the pressure of being held apart. Whether it be from stength or some kind of TK/force power is kinda irrelevant as it was (for the purposes of force resistance) functionally the same. Also my concern was simply from the strange belief that 1 Earth > 2 Earths.

Still holding two world apart is only as good as lifting one world tbh. And Hyperion appears to have a hard time doing it. Prime on the other hand changed the center of the universe in a short time by moving planets around at high end speeds, planets bigger then earth and maybe even suns and that was before his GA amp. DCnU Superman bench pressed the weight of earth for 5 days without gaining strength from the sun, unlike Hyperion who was out in space. And he did it with ease, so it wasn't even his limit. FC Superman lifted infinity...

Till now FC Superman > Prime > DCnU Superman > Hyperion > Gladiator > WBH ^^

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It's a force of something showing. He held 2 planets back until they broke apart from the pressure of being held apart. Whether it be from stength or some kind of TK/force power is kinda irrelevant as they (bench pressing and keeping planets apart) are functionally the same (for the purposes of force resistance) . Also my concern was simply from the strange belief that 1 Earth > 2 Earths.

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Originally posted by Dolos
Why is this illogic being attributed exclusively to fans of Superman? Is being illogical now somehow stereotypical to fans of Superman? Statistically, one Superman fan doesn't equal a trend. Speaking of phrases, I think I just made one. 😂

Because the strongest supporters of the feat are, in general, people who want to make Superman look bad.

Either way, people are being horribly premature and OTT. It was the same with the earth benching feat.

i hope so, Abhi

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Diesel, ill assume you meant to quote this one

You realize world can refer to the universe right?

No I quoted the right post, just google the 2 phrases.

But, I'm glad you are now trying to discuss my post instead of trying to slander without provocation.
He used both the words (world and universe) differently in the same sentence. The worlds broke but the universes collapsed. Two different words with entirely different meaning. So I have to ask?
1- what broke
2- what collapsed?

He (Hyperion) was trying to keep the object that broke(not collapsed) but broke, from colliding with another object that broke.

Originally posted by Diesldude
No I quoted the right post. just google both phrases. LOL.

But I'm glad you are now trying to discuss my post instead of trying to slander without provocation.
He used both the words (world and universe) differently in the same sentence. The worlds broke but the universes collapsed. Two different words with entirely different meaning. So I have to ask?
1- what broke
2- what collapsed?

He was trying to keep the object that broke(not collapsed) but broke, from colliding with another object that broke.

and these worlds crashing together destroyed two universes, shunting Hyperion to 616 reality...

now whether or not he was amped has not been said, so until it can really be stated it didn't happen under his own power its kinda a non issue...

Originally posted by Diesldude
Out of all my responses, you pick the one that was a reply to a silly post by mindset? Nice!! How about disproving my original post?

But I know you just pick and choose what you want to argue about. So you know what? I did say and I'll defend it.

I call out poor logic when I see it. Why would I need to disprove your other posts when I'm not representing Hyperion in this debate?

You seriously need to get your head out of the whole "you need to argue all my points" or you're lame kinda attitude. Not everyone will adhere to that system that you're trying to impose on me.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Tell me how much you can bench.

Now divide that by 10, not 4 but 10. If you are confused, I'm making it easier for you. Try to bench that weight for 5 days straight without sweating more than a single drop. I hope that I cleared up your confusion.

Superhuman beings have superhuman stamina. Your attempt at a comparison is silly as no normal person (w/c I am) can bench anything for 5 days.

We're talking about Superhumans here. You want to know how silly it would look if I throw your bad logic back at you? Let me show you: A normal person can bench around, let's say 150 lbs for 10 reps w/ sweating a single sweat drop. Superman can bench 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons or 14,550,500,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs. If his stamina is proportionate to his strength comparable to a human, then he must bench the planet at least 145,505,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Let's say each rep takes half a second (while Superman has super speed, I doubt the machine would be able to survive if he started flailing it around at super speed). Which would mean he'd have to keep lifting for 2,306,966,641,298.83 years to make it even proportional. Now I could have missed a zero or 2 somewhere there (as counting all the zeroes is kinda annoying), but I'm sure you get the point.

What does this prove?
1) Superman stamina is not that much greater against humans as his strength is (comparably).
2) Comic logic should not be applied to real world scenarios.

You might wanna think about w/c of the 2 is more appropriate for this scenario. 😉

Originally posted by Diesldude
Nabisco, are you trying to crack a joke ? Do you really want to go down this road? Because, see my claim to a silly post did have logic behind it.

Is name calling and being overall abrasive your only way of communicating with people (you don't see people calling you Dildodude, do you?)?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
either way you look at it something was pushing these "worlds" together.

and these worlds crashing together destroyed two universes, shunting Hyperion to 616 reality...

now whether or not he was amped has not been said but until it can really be stated it didn't happen under his own power its kinda a non issue...

I agree, we don't know how much force was pushing the 2 worlds, but they have to be at least planetary level.
IMO the 2 universes colliding may very well be similar to 2 galaxies crashing into each other.

Lets say there is a planet from galaxy 1 and it is about to crash into a planet from galaxy 2. Hyperion is between them and is trying to keep them apart. While he is keeping the planets apart both the galaxies continue to merge. The natural movement or the force pushing the planets is enough to break them when they run into resistance Hyperion. He briefly halted the planets from crashing but they broke under the pressure from the force pushing them and Hyperion trying to keep them apart. The rest of the galaxy kept colliding. Hyperion's feat involved entire parallel universes which collapsed because 2 planets, earth in his case broke. The collapse could have been because the 2 planet shouldn't have touched or because earth in Marvel u is that important.

Superman saved the omnivers because be prevented a phantom planet from colliding with the earth. This is simar because dc earth is also important to dcu.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Still holding two world apart is only as good as lifting one world tbh. And Hyperion appears to have a hard time doing it. Prime on the other hand changed the center of the universe in a short time by moving planets around at high end speeds, planets bigger then earth and maybe even suns and that was before his GA amp. DCnU Superman bench pressed the weight of earth for 5 days without gaining strength from the sun, unlike Hyperion who was out in space. And he did it with ease, so it wasn't even his limit. FC Superman lifted infinity...

Till now FC Superman > Prime > DCnU Superman > Hyperion > Gladiator > WBH ^^

I'm not really debating on Hyperion's strength vs Prime's as I also agree that Prime SHOULD be stronger than Hyperion based on power hierarchy (w/c I adhere to more than "feats"😉. Tho, I believe Hyperion's "feat" of surviving what may be enough force to nullify or unmake 2 universes is better than Prime surviving the Monarch explosion.

My issue is his belief that 1 Earth > 2 Earths. W/c is quite silly.

Yes, Superman did it for 5 days. Great stamina "feat" for him. But "ease" is subjective. There was effort there but we don't

Also, Hyperion kept them apart until they BOTH broke apart from the forces being applied to them. We didn't see his limits either. The Superman lifting "feat" certainly did not generate enough force to break apart the Earth he was on. Tho it was alluded to that more force would begin to break the planet apart IIRC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I think it would be revealed as hyperion having some kind of artifact like IG of his own universe like cap. Its just too inconsistent for hyperion at this point.

You might be right here. That, or I'm thinking that he was "strengthened by the powers/spirits/will of his friends who perished" or some such nonsense.

Tho, I have to ask, why is it ok for Superman to be able to lift the Earth but not Hyperion? Hm Abhi, hm?? 😛

Originally posted by Diesldude
I agree, we don't know how much force was pushing the 2 worlds, but they have to be at least planetary level.
IMO the 2 universes colliding may very well be similar to 2 galaxies crashing into each other.

Lets say there is a planet from galaxy 1 and it is about to crash into a planet from galaxy 2. Hyperion is between them and is trying to keep them apart. While he is keeping the planets apart both the galaxies continue to merge. The natural movement or the force pushing the planets is enough to break them when they run into resistance Hyperion. He briefly halted the planets from crashing but they broke under the pressure from the force pushing them and Hyperion trying to keep them apart. The rest of the galaxy kept colliding. Hyperion's feat involved entire parallel universes which collapsed because 2 planets, earth in his case broke. The collapse could have been because the 2 planet shouldn't have touched or because earth in Marvel u is that important.

Superman saves the omnivers because be prevented a phantom planet from colliding with the earth. This is simar because dc earth is also important to dcu.

its such a abstract feat, and believe me i hope an ig or a CC caused this or else when it come time for him to fight thor we will get some incredibly stupid feats
(AvX)

but as of now the writer says he used world to mean universe.... sentence structure aside it is what it is

btw why do you keep bringing superman up in this? if you want hyperions feats to count for supermans then Gladiator should get pc supermans feats
and nobody but Carver9 wants that

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'm not really debating on Hyperion's strength vs Prime's as I also agree that Prime SHOULD be stronger than Hyperion based on power hierarchy (w/c I adhere to more than "feats"😉. Tho, I believe Hyperion's "feat" of surviving what may be enough force to nullify or unmake 2 universes is better than Prime surviving the Monarch explosion.

My issue is his belief that 1 Earth > 2 Earths. W/c is quite silly.

Yes, Superman did it for 5 days. Great stamina "feat" for him. But "ease" is subjective. There was effort there but we don't

Also, Hyperion kept them apart until they BOTH broke apart from the forces being applied to them. We didn't see his limits either. The Superman lifting "feat" certainly did not generate enough force to break apart the Earth he was on. Tho it was alluded to that more force would begin to break the planet apart IIRC.

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Hyperion survived the "nullification" but it wasn't an explosion, it might have been that they simply stopped existing because they weren't supposed to share the same space, the universes collapsed which would imply that the force wasn't as violent as an explosion. He was between them and each collapsed into itself. A point blank universe explosion is still more impressive tbh.

Holding two planets apart is like standing on a planet and holding one up or lifting it. So this feat would be like 1 Planet.

Hyperion showed more effort and it was also a stamina feat then... ? And he just lost one drop of sweat, far more impressive, strength and stamina wise.
And let's not skip the Prime changing the center of the Universe in a short time with his bare hands thing.

So Superman surivied being in the center of two colliding planets too. Hyperion being more durable then the rock a planet is made of is undisputable. He was like the indestructible piece between two larger objects who, after some time, just broke on it. The chain reaction collapsed both universes. I can see it as a planetary strength, stamina and durability feat but not an Universal tbh.

Edit: It's like saying that Prime destroyed an Universe with his bare hands when all he did was simply desytroy the nexus point (the earth), which he did btw, and which proved fatal for the universe. Or when he tried to destroy OA. He isn't a Universe buster.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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Hyperion survived the "nullification" but it wasn't an explosion, it might have been that they simply stopped existing because they weren't supposed to share the same space, the universes collapsed which would imply that the force wasn't as violent as an explosion. He was between them and each collapsed into itself. A point blank universe explosion is still more impressive tbh.

Holding two planets apart is like standing on a planet and holding one up or lifting it. So this feat would be like 1 Planet.

Hyperion showed more effort and it was also a stamina feat then... ? And he just lost one drop of sweat, far more impressive, strength and stamina wise.
And let's not skip the Prime changing the center of the Universe in a short time with his bare hands thing.

So Superman surivied being in the center of two colliding planets too. Hyperion being more durable then the rock a planet is made of is undisputable. He was like the indestructible piece between two larger objects who, after some time, just broke on it. The chain reaction collapsed both universes. I can see it as a planetary strength, stamina and durability feat but not an Universal tbh.

Nullification would be a better "feat" IMO as he survived this nullification while the other abstracts, skyfathers, elder gods, heralds, trans in either universes did not. I mean the real "feat" here is his surviving. How come the other universe ceased existing but he did not? Shouldn't the same "nonexistence" phenomena affect him just as it affected everything else in both universes?

I disagree, he wasn't standing in one and holding up the other. He was literally keeping them apart via one arm each as per the art. This with little to no leverage on his part. I could literally bench press more weight than I can push apart via the positioning of his arms as I have decent leverage when I do benches.

What I'm saying is that the amount of time and the amount of sweat has little to nothing to do with strength. The effort, however, does. We know that Superman exerted some effort when lifting and that he lifted a planet's weight. But without going into a no-limits fallacy the ONLY thing that can be conclusively argued here is that he bench pressed one planet's weight.

Hyperion is above from shown feats and writers confirmation. People are reaching big time to keep superman top dog. Just be happy Hyperion represents Marvels Superman, even if he is superior.

^wrong.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Nullification would be a better "feat" IMO as he survived this nullification while the other abstracts, skyfathers, elder gods, heralds, trans in either universes did not. I mean the real "feat" here is his surviving. How come the other universe ceased existing but he did not? Shouldn't the same "nonexistence" phenomena affect him just as it affected everything else in both universes?

I disagree, he wasn't standing in one and holding up the other. He was literally keeping them apart via one arm each as per the art. This with little to no leverage on his part. I could literally bench press more weight than I can push apart via the positioning of his arms as I have decent leverage when I do benches.

What I'm saying is that the amount of time and the amount of sweat has little to nothing to do with strength. The effort, however, does. We know that Superman exerted some effort when lifting and that he lifted a planet's weight. But without going into a no-limits fallacy the ONLY thing that can be conclusively argued here is that he bench pressed one planet's weight.

Abstracts of a Universe are bound to that Universe, the heroes travel between them.
Depends on where he was and where the collapsing happened, left and right of him but not on him?

He wasn't pushing just holding an I can hold more weight then push or press. Especially if the same weight comes from left and right. So I still don't see it as the double of earths weight. If you happened to be indestructible I could try to squash you between tons and you wouldn't have a trouble being just there and holding those tons apart.

It has to do with strength as it wasn't even near his limit and he did it with ease. Even after 5 days without the sun which decreases his strenght significantly he did it without breaking a sweat, oh well just this one. So a depleted DCnU Superman can lift the earth with ease. Hyperion can hold two Planets apart. Prime can change the center of the Universe with his bare hands and FC Superman can lift infinity.

And yes, Hyperion and Glads are Marvels Superman but they are still "weaker" by feats. Only time will tell if one will grow stronger then DCnU, till now the best I can see is an equal in strength.

IMO

IF standing between two planets (with out any physical contact to those planets) and preventing a STATED CASCADE effect of a collapsing universe equals "lifting" two universes, then, there is a character who "lifted" the omniverse, by preventing a cascade effect also with out touching the planets.

Both cool feats, but lets just see them for what they are.

Planetary level feats preventing or failing to prevent cascade effects

both posts above ^ obvious fanboy denial

I'm cool with it as long as is a Superman clone doing the deed.

But the scan states cascade effect and you can't change that.

But tbh i have not read the issue, just seen the scan and the scan mentions cascade effect and that sounds to me...well, like cascade effect.

Until Hyperion gets more feats, there's very little to justify saying he would beat Prime imo.

Prime wins.