Originally posted by leonidasK
hey, get off him for the lack of capitals! 😄(ps--ftr, i don't use caps because i'm an f'n SH!TTY typist. if you saw how slow i was, you'd understand how long it would take to type anything if i actually USED caps. lol )
More importantly...
You read Hickman's F4 yet?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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I usually delete entire sentences if I forget to place a word somewhere or forget to cap something, that I see.
It gets tedious, but you get used to it.More importantly...
You read Hickman's F4 yet?
still catching up on the stories after the initial appearance of the mad celestials. i'll def get fully caught up in the next couple weeks though.
Originally posted by Newjak
And somehow this makes it less of a schooling?
Originally posted by -Pr-
If you did, then you wouldn't have replied the way you did.Warned for backseat modding.
Originally posted by curryman
Look at this bad ass mothafugga.He actually knows what Morrison means and what he intended with that JLA arc.
I guess that makes him the only one. 😆
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I haven't read it for a while. It was showing the difference Barry made if he was alive.Wally was fast enough to not be seen by any of the PC characters, was able to amp their speed, and apparently a lot more powerful than all of them combined. Meh
Originally posted by abhilegendThat's the fight where everyone was there, including Prime.
Which is the fight which post-crisis characters appeared in. There is no thing such as Pre-crisis Earth 1 or pre crisis character in DCU after spectre and AM destroyed the multiverse.
I'm not saying literal PC, but operating without a real difference in power there, or they were in the actual COIE...
Meh, I keep thinking it's just him going back in time, but it was just an alt reality. Which doesn't make much sense either considering there's only one AM.
Unless... the Flash appearing throughout time was supposed to be Wally in the actual COIE... lol ****
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That's the fight where everyone was there, including Prime.I'm not saying literal PC, but operating without a real difference in power there, or they were in the actual COIE...
Meh, I keep thinking it's just him going back in time, but it was just an alt reality. Which doesn't make much sense either considering there's only one AM.
Unless... the Flash appearing throughout time was supposed to be Wally in the actual COIE... lol ****
interesting concept
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That's the fight where everyone was there, including Prime.I'm not saying literal PC, but operating without a real difference in power there, or they were in the actual COIE...
Meh, I keep thinking it's just him going back in time, but it was just an alt reality. Which doesn't make much sense either considering there's only one AM.
Unless... the Flash appearing throughout time was supposed to be Wally in the actual COIE... lol ****
Originally posted by abhilegend
Now two evidences that prove that the events of COIE are canon to superman. First its revealed that superman remembers the events of Crisis and the fact that superboy prime existsIts also confirmed here that superman took part in COIE
Prime wasn't shown in that fight IIRC. It wasn't an alt reality and there is only one AM since there is only one anti-matter universe.
Originally posted by abhilegendI realize. Just saying that throughout that story, there didn't seem to be the "post crisis" gap in power, though Kal-L did punk the shit out of Supes...
And post crisis superman met prime there.Prime wasn't shown in that fight IIRC. It wasn't an alt reality and there is only one AM since there is only one anti-matter universe.
Prime was there, he just wasn't shown fighting considering all the other people there. He couldn't have just sat there watching everything though
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-17.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-20.jpg
And one of the Supermen look pretty boyish here:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-27.jpg
Well, everyone did seemingly get wiped out in the Flash issue, and Kal-L, Luthor, Prime were never shown. Might just be artist error though considering their were only 10 different heroes in the Flash series.
The whole time travels skews things quite a bit, but ignoring that, is this supposed to be Wally going by Wally's appearance in said issue... apparently. I know Barry was time traveling at the same time, but the "newest" Flash issue could change things.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-18.jpg
It interests and confuzzles me at the same time.
If Wally was actually in that fight though, Kal-L, and Prime didn't see him, and he caused more damage than them. And Prime was on PC levels his entire career, and Kal-L was massively powerful in that series.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I realize. Just saying that throughout that story, there didn't seem to be the "post crisis" gap in power, though Kal-L did punk the shit out of Supes...Prime was there, he just wasn't shown fighting considering all the other people there. He couldn't have just sat there watching everything though
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-17.jpghttp://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-20.jpg
And one of the Supermen look pretty boyish here:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-27.jpgWell, everyone did seemingly get wiped out in the Flash issue, and Kal-L, Luthor, Prime were never shown. Might just be artist error though considering their were only 10 different heroes in the Flash series.
The whole time travels skews things quite a bit, but ignoring that, is this supposed to be Wally going by Wally's appearance in said issue... apparently. I know Barry was time traveling at the same time, but the "newest" Flash issue could change things.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Crisis12-18.jpgIt interests and confuzzles me at the same time.
If Wally was actually in that fight though, Kal-L, and Prime didn't see him, and he caused more damage than them. And Prime was on PC levels his entire career, and Kal-L was massively powerful in that series.
Yup, that's wally. That scene has been referenced many times. Also barry stooped and reversed an energy wave that was going to destroy five universes. Take that surfer.
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Originally posted by abhilegendjust that that feats ridiculously high for him
I don't know what you're talking here but considering Kal-L killed AM, I'd say he hit harder than flash.Yup, that's wally. That scene has been referenced many times. Also barry stooped and reversed an energy wave that was going to destroy five universes. Take that surfer.
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Meh, AM was pretty drained at that time
Wasn't that because of his type of energy? Wally tried that too but his energies were destructive in nature...
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
just that that feats ridiculously high for himMeh, AM was pretty drained at that time
Wasn't that because of his type of energy? Wally tried that too but his energies were destructive in nature...
Still better than godblast.
No, it was because barry was going at full power even when he knew he would die.
Originally posted by leonidasI, too, tend to take statements like 'he is as tough/strong etc. as this established character!' with a grain of salt but, you got to admit, it was hammered pretty hard here both by the narration, aswell as in the scene of discussion itself when the IMP was used. Was Wally just really confident? Was the narration just hyping the martians? You can take that position, sure. But either way, they can't be too far off from Superman, one way or another. They're in the same ballpark, so if a shot like that knocks one of them out, two (or 3 at most) of them would most likely do the same to Superman.
lol great gif. used to love house.....and it's certainly a fair point, you raise, but to be clear--i never said anything about cheap shots nor did i say flash couldn't take out thor. i simply took exception to the notion that it was stupid to NOT believe a single IMP would ko thor.
my main point was simple--narration doesn't imply truth when there are no feats to back it up (in this case durability feats for the martians). for example, i tend to think there is no way one IMP would take out superman. wally seems to think differently. based on everything i've seen from supes, should i forget about his feats and just suppose that one IMP would ACTUALLY take him down because one piece of narration makes the claim? not in this guy;s humble opinion. supes also referred to ALL the white martians, but it seems clear from their previous and following appearances that not all white martians are equal. powerful? for sure. equal to superman? no. so how far short? i've seen jonn waste several of them so i don't think it illogical to place the more powerful ones closer to jonn's levels. and supes has a far greater durability than jonn does.
i don't subscribe to the 1000s of IMPs as i said. never seen it so..... if i believed that without evidence (and yes i'm aware that it is logical and that i'm simply being thick-headed for not accepting it) i'd be forced to believe everything forum ss is said to be able to do as well--which many will also call thick-headed.
bottom line for me? it's clearly a powerful attack. would one of them ko thor? not imo. could flash ko thor before thor blinks? sure he could, but using his more common and in character showings, i don't see it happening often is all. least not imo.
Suffice to say, I greatly disagree with the '1000 imps' part. There are like a dozen or more scans of Wally throwing hundreds of thousands of punches [the Flash family usually does this] in the span of a panel. Even if we just ridiculously limit the number to 100 before Zum can react, that's still far above the capacity of a high-herald, be they Superman or Thor, to withstand.
I tend to agree with you that Wally wouldn't go batshit IMPing on the start - he doesn't really know Thor that much, and if he is of opinion that one of them could KO Superman, he wouldn't risk sending even 5 of them towards Thor, for the simple fact that it might make holes in him, for all he knows. But even if Thor takes the first one, what's stopping Wally from throwing another, before Thor even gets back his bearings from the first, if he sees that the guy is tough? In the end, Thor will get knocked out.
Meh. Forum Flash. Unbeatable, unless you make him act like an idiot.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I, too, tend to take statements like 'he is as tough/strong etc. as this established character!' with a grain of salt but, you got to admit, it was hammered pretty hard here both by the narration, aswell as in the scene of discussion itself when the IMP was used. Was Wally just really confident? Was the narration just hyping the martians? You can take that position, sure. But either way, they can't be too far off from Superman, one way or another. They're in the same ballpark, so if a shot like that knocks one of them out, two (or 3 at most) of them would most likely do the same to Superman.Suffice to say, I greatly disagree with the '1000 imps' part. There are like a dozen or more scans of Wally throwing hundreds of thousands of punches [the Flash family usually does this] in the span of a panel. Even if we just ridiculously limit the number to 100 before Zum can react, that's still far above the capacity of a high-herald, be they Superman or Thor, to withstand.
I tend to agree with you that Wally wouldn't go batshit IMPing on the start - he doesn't really know Thor that much, and if he is of opinion that one of them could KO Superman, he wouldn't risk sending even 5 of them towards Thor, for the simple fact that it might make holes in him, for all he knows. But even if Thor takes the first one, what's stopping Wally from throwing another, before Thor even gets back his bearings from the first, if he sees that the guy is tough? In the end, Thor will get knocked out.
Meh. Forum Flash. Unbeatable, unless you make him act like an idiot.
i get the WHY as relates to the 1000 IMPS. but i also get the WHY as regards ss being able to open a pair of black holes in thor's head. lol i guess those types of attacks can't resonate with me for the simple fact that they are so far out of character as to be nearly impossible to credit in this type of battle setting where character plays into it. i did also admit my stance wasn't logical....
re: the white martians--well, i did liken them to jonn, who is close to kal imo (same class in many ways) so you're right. again, i was disputing the statement-as-fact part of the argument as much as i was calling into question the durability of the martians. the narration did indeed highlight their power. still, you can't really dispute that in other appearances they were shown to be....less than the narration may suggest. maybe that specific group was beyond the usual white martians. i could easily buy that. i just think morrison was building up some cred for them via narration and feats would be really helpful, especially if one is trying to determine just how powerful the blow was.
and clearly forum flash really is damn near impossible to beat. i also agree that it is well within wally's powerset to ko thor before he blinks. just that it's not in his nature to do so. nice to see we actually agree on some stuff once in while. now stop, or people will get the wrong idea. sneer
Hulk fight teams of people like this all of the time and does just fine and actually beats them. Thor isn't a slouch in that dept as well and would literally wreck Hal based on his powerset. Their best bet is bfring and double teaming. If that doesn't happen, game set and done...Hulk and Thor would win every time.
