J'onn has shown greater durability than superman? Don't make me laugh. Show any example of that in comparison. Also writer's intent>>>>feats. Superman's durability>Thor's durability, either at low end, average or high end. That's not even up for debate. You want to compare their performances? Go at it. It would end badly for you and thor.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think you understood his post...
Originally posted by -Pr-
1. I don't think you did.
2. No, you can't.😬
😂
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s'all good pr. i was just having some fun. i did learn something important though--one piece of melodrama>>>>all the feats in the world. the funny thing is the unnoticed contradiction in the panel itself though...... but, on the plus side, i guess it really DOES mean thor is the toughest opponent supes ever fought. or was it hulk? given who supes has beat that's pretty impressive. and just think how impressive jonn really is--able to handle several of those guys at once! yep, all makes sense to me. lol
Originally posted by leonidasthis post is grammatically terrible 😬
something that makes me laugh is the fact that jonn has showed greater durability than superman at one point and superman. and it's a feat, not narration. but the narration i choose to believe is the one where jonn says he's as powerful as superman. picking and choosing which narration to believe certainly does make these debates easier, i agree. 👆i also wonder if supes meant ALL white martians. cuz that would make the scene where jonn takes on several of them.....pretty impressive given that supes could hardly handle a single one. inverse ninja for the excuse win? lol feats>>>>>>then one melodramatic panel of narration. at least imho.
i'd actually laugh at the durability comparison as well, just not as hard and there are feats thor has that put him in that class--just has supes has feats that show he could be dropped by things much less than his highest feats. all feats need to be taken into account.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh, I did. Somehow thor can take IMPs in stride because, prove martians have comparable durability to superman. Only don't use writer intents, use only feats. If anybody thinks that ANY herald and even some Trans characters can compete with superman in feats of either strength or durability, they would be disappointed at how wrong that line of thought is. Heck, I can prove superman is near galactus level durability by feats.
Look at this bad ass mothafugga.
He actually knows what Morrison means and what he intended with that JLA arc.
I guess that makes him the only one. 😆
Originally posted by leonidasAnyhow, I'm not about to read this discussion whole [especially since I feel most of the points made are inconsequential, but I'll get to that in a bit], I just want to say that the martians are not compared to Superman in the scan where Kal fights Protex, but also in the scan where the IMP itself hits the Martian..
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http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp4.jpg
"Maybe he IS as tough as the Man of Steel...but packing the mass I mentioned.."
Ultimately, it's irrelevant whether or not they were the exact equal of Superman; they were in the same ballpark, and Wally one-shot it, in the same page where he says having Superman-level durability doesn't change a thing. It can clearly one-shot Superman level beings.
Back to the 'inconsequential points' part..
a). Under what criteria was what Wally did a sucker punch? Because Zum saw him as a beam of light, but wasn't fast enough to do anything [if I see a punch coming as a blur, as I'm fighting someone, but I'm not fast enough to dodge it, does that make it a sucker punch?] ? How does that differ from Thor's situation? I hope nobody is actually suggesting Thor is faster than Zum.
b). Most importantly: Wally pointed out he could send 1000 IMPs before Zum could blink. Even if by some chance Wally couldn't knock out Superman [or even Thor] with an IMP, another two at most should be able to do it. Hell, make it ten. Wally will deliver them before Thor blinks, if Zum couldn't.
It seems like what's being discussed is ultimately missing the forrest from the trees.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Anyhow, I'm not about to read this discussion whole [especially since I feel most of the points made are inconsequential, but I'll get to that in a bit], I just want to say that the martians are not compared to Superman in the scan where Kal fights Protex, but also in the scan where the IMP itself hits the Martian..http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp4.jpg
"Maybe he IS as tough as the Man of Steel...but packing the mass I mentioned.."Ultimately, it's irrelevant whether or not they were the exact equal of Superman; they were in the same ballpark, and Wally one-shot it, in the same page where he says having Superman-level durability doesn't change a thing. It can clearly one-shot Superman level beings.
b). Most importantly: Wally pointed out he could send 1000 IMPs before Zum could blink. Even if by some chance Wally couldn't knock out Superman [or even Thor] with an IMP, another two at most should be able to do it. Hell, make it ten. Wally will deliver them before Thor blinks, if Zum couldn't.
It seems like what's being discussed is ultimately missing the forrest from the trees.
lol great gif. used to love house.....
and it's certainly a fair point, you raise, but to be clear--i never said anything about cheap shots nor did i say flash couldn't take out thor. i simply took exception to the notion that it was stupid to NOT believe a single IMP would ko thor.
my main point was simple--narration doesn't imply truth when there are no feats to back it up (in this case durability feats for the martians). for example, i tend to think there is no way one IMP would take out superman. wally seems to think differently. based on everything i've seen from supes, should i forget about his feats and just suppose that one IMP would ACTUALLY take him down because one piece of narration makes the claim? not in this guy;s humble opinion. supes also referred to ALL the white martians, but it seems clear from their previous and following appearances that not all white martians are equal. powerful? for sure. equal to superman? no. so how far short? i've seen jonn waste several of them so i don't think it illogical to place the more powerful ones closer to jonn's levels. and supes has a far greater durability than jonn does.
i don't subscribe to the 1000s of IMPs as i said. never seen it so..... if i believed that without evidence (and yes i'm aware that it is logical and that i'm simply being thick-headed for not accepting it) i'd be forced to believe everything forum ss is said to be able to do as well--which many will also call thick-headed.
bottom line for me? it's clearly a powerful attack. would one of them ko thor? not imo. could flash ko thor before thor blinks? sure he could, but using his more common and in character showings, i don't see it happening often is all. least not imo.
Originally posted by abhilegendYeah, I haven't read it for a while. It was showing the difference Barry made if he was alive.
No, he was just transported to the past.
Wally was fast enough to not be seen by any of the PC characters, was able to amp their speed, and apparently a lot more powerful than all of them combined. Meh
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You mispelled "dude", no capitals, no punctuation indicating you ended your sentence.
hey, get off him for the lack of capitals! 😄
(ps--ftr, i don't use caps because i'm an f'n SH!TTY typist. if you saw how slow i was, you'd understand how long it would take to type anything if i actually USED caps. lol )
