Originally posted by DARTH POWERThe hulk and Thor aren't icons like Superman is so despite you trying to pretend they are they aren't. Base your reasoning on something substantial not self serving logic.
Box Office is the only Objective thing here. MOS made more than both Thor movies and both Hulk movies 😂 And Hulk is a really famous name, whilst Thor is an actual legend. Keep crying about it Troll.Urrmm, that didn't stop both IM3 and CAP2 making more money than MOS. Avengers has given all those superheroes huge hype and a great fanbase, whilst Superman pre-MOS was getting a bad name due to the crap that was Superman Returns. Plus Thor 2 had the popularity of both Thor and Loki going for it as well as a huge boost from the Avengers.
But fact is Powerhouses like Thor and Superman can be harder to handle on the big screen than the less powerful heroes like IM, Cap, Spider-Man and Batman.
Marvel has made them relevant but prior to this movie exposure they weren't even close to Superman iconic status. For iron man to come out and stomp the. MAn of steel icon into the dirt the manner in which they have is truly something extraordinary.
Marvel is making less than infamous characters infamous due to their execution of well orchestrated execution of a combined cinematic universe.
Originally posted by -Pr-
MOS isn't part of the Avengers franchise, and Thor has a larger movie audience after Avengers.Sure, he was relatively obscure before, but now? God no.
MOS did fine.
PR in all honesty yes it did fine. But for the most well known hero on the planet, It needs to do a lot better. I think the only way superman is going to get a boost is too leech off batmans popularity. I think herald type characters will always have a huge problem on the big screen. to date the high flyers are Ironman,batman and prolly captain America, mabey spiderman.
I think people like the more down to earth heros better.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Unfortunately Mathew Vaughn's not involved in the next one.
That's my biggest worry, tbh.
Originally posted by zeel
PR in all honesty yes it did fine. But for the most well known hero on the planet, It needs to do a lot better. I think the only way superman is going to get a boost it too leech off batmans popularity. I think herald type characters will always have a huge problem on the big screen. to date the high flyers are Iron man,batman and prolly captain America, mabey spiderman.
I expect the sequel to make far more, tbh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The hulk and Thor aren't icons like Superman is so despite you trying to pretend they are they aren't. Base your reasoning on something substantial not self serving logic.
LOL The Incredible Hulk has been a famous Icon for decades now. And Thor is an actual Legend. Not to mention being part of the MCU and Avengers specifically has boosted both those character's fame and status up a tremendous amount.
Talk about speculation. Wtf happened to "OBJECTIVE BOX OFFICE RULES SUPREME"
LOL You realize how annoyingly stupid your own arguments are when used against you don't you?
Originally posted by quanchi112
TMarvel has made them relevant but prior to this movie exposure they weren't even close to Superman iconic status. For iron man to come out and stomp the. MAn of steel icon into the dirt the manner in which they have is truly something extraordinary.
Shh child, we're talking about Marvel's 2 most powerful heroes in comparison to Dc's most powerful. And how they all do at the OBJECTIVE BOX OFFICE LULZ.
If you want to randomly bring in the success of Iron Man, then let's him to DC's Box Office powerhouse, which is clearly Batman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Marvel is making less than infamous characters infamous due to their execution of well orchestrated execution of a combined cinematic universe.
Talk about avoiding the point.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERNeither are as widely known as Superman. That is the point you keep running from. 😂
LOL The Incredible Hulk has been a famous Icon for decades now. And Thor is an actual Legend. Not to mention being part of the MCU and Avengers specifically has boosted both those character's fame and status up a tremendous amount.Talk about speculation. Wtf happened to "OBJECTIVE BOX OFFICE RULES SUPREME"
LOL You realize how annoyingly stupid your own arguments are when used against you don't you?
Shh child, we're talking about Marvel's 2 most powerful heroes in comparison to Dc's most powerful. And how they all do at the OBJECTIVE BOX OFFICE LULZ.
If you want to randomly bring in the success of Iron Man, then let's him to DC's Box Office powerhouse, which is clearly Batman.
Talk about avoiding the point.
We can do so. Avengers then and cap as well. Marvel is reigning supreme. It isn't even close. 🙂
Says the 1 year coward himself but your word carries no weight around here.
Originally posted by Zack FairHe isn't as relevant as he used to be due to marvel's high success at the box office. He is still far more well known than the Hulk and especially marvel's Thor.
Superman was not as relevant as he used to be. Man of Steel was also fighting the sour taste left by Superman Returns. Thor and Hulk on the other hand have benefited greatly from the success and hype of the MCU.Very hard to compare them.
I agree though. Marvel is killing DC.
Marvels combined cinematic universe has paved the way for other companies and studios to see how profitable this can be. If marvel didn't trailblaze who knows when and if dc would have followed suit.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't as relevant as he used to be due to marvel's high success at the box office. He is still far more well known than the Hulk and especially marvel's Thor.Marvels combined cinematic universe has paved the way for other companies and studios to see how profitable this can be. If marvel didn't trailblaze who knows when and if dc would have followed suit.
Trailblazed? Fox's Xmen and Sony's Spiderman would better fit that description. Also I find it funny how you ignore that the most famous Marvel bro pre 2008, Hulk, made the least money in his movie.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaSpider-Man and xmen aren't Disney and haven't seamlessly woven a combined universe on screen for us.
Trailblazed? Fox's Xmen and Sony's Spiderman would better fit that description. Also I find it funny how you ignore that the most famous Marvel bro pre 2008, Hulk, made the least money in his movie.
And yet they have still went forward with their plans. That is saying something how marvel has created a listers out of widely unknown marvel heroes outside to the hardcore comic fans.
Make mine marvel.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Trailblazed? Fox's Xmen and Sony's Spiderman would better fit that description. Also I find it funny how you ignore that the most famous Marvel bro pre 2008, Hulk, made the least money in his movie.
If MoS was an amazing movie, it would have made buttloads more money.
The reason Hulk and Superman didn't live up to expectations, despite audience familiarity with them, was because of their low quality. The consensus considered them bad movies, and through word of mouth and online reviews the new audiences were disenchanted with the movies. Also, they lost out on repeat viewings.
Originally posted by Firefly218👆
If MoS was an amazing movie, it would have made buttloads more money.The reason Hulk and Superman didn't live up to expectations, despite audience familiarity with them, was because of their low quality. The consensus considered them bad movies, and through word of mouth and online reviews the new audiences were disenchanted with the movies. Also, they lost out on repeat viewings.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither are as widely known as Superman. That is the point you keep running from.
Subjective speculation that the traditionally widely known translates into modern day box office. If that's the kind of thing that drives box office, then box office is an irrelevant factor to keep bringing up 😂
Incredible Hulk has been very famous for decades now. Keep crying that Marvel couldn't get either Thor or TIH to outperform MOS at the box office.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Says the 1 year coward himself but your word carries no weight around here.
No that would be you Coward! You backed out because you're a Troll who knows he can't defeat anyone in a fair contest.
I called you out for the cowardly troll that you are 😆
Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't as relevant as he used to be due to marvel's high success at the box office. He is still far more well known than the Hulk and especially marvel's Thor.
If he's more well known it's because he's had more success. Keep crying about it. Superman > Thor and Hulk at box office 😆
And that's OBJECTIVE 😆
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIt is an objective fact Superman was more marketed and more widely known than the marvel heroes we discussed.
Subjective speculation that the traditionally widely known translates into modern day box office. If that's the kind of thing that drives box office, then box office is an irrelevant factor to keep bringing up 😂Incredible Hulk has been very famous for decades now. Keep crying that Marvel couldn't get either Thor or TIH to outperform MOS at the box office.
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No that would be you Coward! You backed out because you're a Troll who knows he can't defeat anyone in a fair contest.
That is fine. Ironman did. 🙂
Hulk wasn't an exceptional movie but neither was Man of Steel hence the reason it fell below expectations IMO.
The stips were posted a year ago. The day of you back down when you've known for a year. I'll rub this in your face forever.
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Originally posted by quanchi112No. Its not because of Marvel's success. why must you always instigate hostility between the 2? SMH. Gets boring man.
He isn't as relevant as he used to be due to marvel's high success at the box office. He is still far more well known than the Hulk and especially marvel's Thor.Marvels combined cinematic universe has paved the way for other companies and studios to see how profitable this can be. If marvel didn't trailblaze who knows when and if dc would have followed suit.
Originally posted by Firefly218
If MoS was an amazing movie, it would have made buttloads more money.
Talk about unsubstantiated speculation. We saw with Superman Returns how well a poor Superman movie would do.
And then MOS had the bad stink of SR to deal with too. Whilst Thor 2 had the massive success of Avengers to draw from. Plus it had 2 popular Avengers characters- Thor and Loki. But MOS simply did better.
Talk as much s*** as you want about MOS, but the fact is your general audience really liked it.
Originally posted by Zack FairYes, it is hence their jumping into the justice league. They are feeling the pressure since marvel is just raking in the profits.
No. Its not because of Marvel's success. why must you always instigate hostility between the 2? SMH. Gets boring man.
I am rather objective to a fault.