Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I honestly don't mean to sound cocky but I did kinda warn ya that maybe Ridley no longer had the clout that he used to have...
Even if he threatened to leave the project, there wold always be another director (Neil Blomk) to reboot/remake the franchise.It's simply obvious Hollywood wants a franchise out of Alien & not to bow down to a director's whimsy of telling a (Engineer) story.
I finally saw the film today.
All I can say is that the beauty of the visuals certainly outweigh the stupidity of the characters portrayed.Spoiler:
I get that Covenant was a transport ship traveling to colonise another planet. It's just a ridiculous scenario when even the crew are partnered together. Mistakes were made from the very start when crew members placed their partners & relationships first over following orders or protocol.It just seems that every Alien movie is filled with people who either make blatant stupid mistakes or turn out to be unprofessional for the roles they play.
The chestburster prototypes looked ridiculous fully formed with arms & legs. They looked & acted like spoilt bratty Alien children.
Well I thought I had a lot more to say about this movie but unfortunately there was really nothing outstanding.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I honestly don't mean to sound cocky but I did kinda warn ya that maybe Ridley no longer had the clout that he used to have...
Even if he threatened to leave the project, there wold always be another director (Neil Blomk) to reboot/remake the franchise.
Yes, but the reason Fox came to Ridley in the first place was because even they weren't interested in making another crappy Alien movie. And that's what gave birth to Prometheus. But now they revert back to generic Alien movies again? Holy shit, this series just keeps getting fucked from every direction. It's apparently its destiny.. lol
I think Ridley was seriously inspired by the new Star Wars reboots. He's mentioned it in interviews. He thinks Alien should be able to go on forever like the Star Wars saga. So I guess that's what inspired the attempt at nostalgia and he wants to turn it into "War of the Worlds." So I really don't think the studio forced him. If they suggested it, he willingly acquiesced. For some reason he abandoned his original vision which makes Prometheus such a waste of potential greatness.
It just baffles me the amount of wasted footage that ended up on the editing floor.
LOL at Franco being so excited at being part of the cast.
At least he made it in the trailers.
Poor Noomi flying to Australia to shoot scenes & thinking she was part of a bigger storyline.
I guess we'll see all those wasted/alternate/extended scenes on blu-ray.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yes, but the reason Fox came to Ridley in the first place was because even they weren't interested in making another crappy Alien movie. And that's what gave birth to Prometheus. But now they revert back to generic Alien movies again? Holy shit, this series just keeps getting [b]fucked from every direction. It's apparently its destiny.. lolI think Ridley was seriously inspired by the new Star Wars reboots. He's mentioned it in interviews. He thinks Alien should be able to go on forever like the Star Wars saga. So I guess that's what inspired the attempt at nostalgia and he wants to turn it into "War of the Worlds." So I really don't think the studio forced him. If they suggested it, he willingly acquiesced. For some reason he abandoned his original vision which makes Prometheus such a waste of potential greatness. [/B]
Ridley Scott really wanted to explore a different part of the Alien universe with the Engineers, but people were so polarized about Prometheus (not me, I loved it) that I think this five year period between films was all about them (Fox) forcing another bug hunt on him, earlier than he wanted to do it.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
[B
I think Ridley was seriously inspired by the new Star Wars reboots. He's mentioned it in interviews. He thinks Alien should be able to go on forever like the Star Wars saga. So I guess that's what inspired the attempt at nostalgia and he wants to turn it into "War of the Worlds." So I really don't think the studio forced him. If they suggested it, he willingly acquiesced. For some reason he abandoned his original vision which makes Prometheus such a waste of potential greatness. [/B]
Y'know I would've loved to see a scene where Jesus Christ Engineer is being crucified & in his final dying moments he unleashes a plague of xenos on the Roman Empire...
Yeah I saw the same interview where Ridley wants a Star Wars saga...unfortunately Covenant is the poor man's New Hope.
The thing is we've already seen the potential of a War Of The World's series...it's called Starship Troopers.
From IMDB, a poster did a great job summing up how horridly wrong this went:
Spoiler:
Spoilers. This film is a complete mess.1. There is a ship full off over 1000 sleeping passengers. Yet they have just one android to look after it all. Why not have 3, 10 or even 20! They don't age and surely you need a backup.
2. A rogue unexplained solar flare hits the ship disabling it, and Walter says they should leave the area asap. But instead they go further into it.
3. An astronaut outside the ship picks up a stray signal through his helmets two-way radio, that somehow appears in visual form on the glass of his helmet? Yet the giant ship with the radio dish right next to him misses it!
4. How did they determine the artist from the white noise? What they found later no-way explains why they sent a song into space for no apparent reason!
5. They are able to trace a stray video signal to a planet two weeks away at star-ship speed.
6. You don't need to send almost the entire crew down to an alien planet! A scout team of four would have sufficed. Or maybe just the android on reconnaissance.
7. They pilot the drop ship through a plasma storm, yet it is sunlight clear within seeing distance. Why not fly around the storm?
8. They should have scouted the area, alien buildings and mass graveyards before landing the ship.
9. They land in the water, even though solid ground is just ten yards away. With unknown worms other possible deadly life in it. Unstable ground is not wise to land on, just to get your shoes wet?
10. You open the door after landing, not during.
11. They don't bother wearing space suits, they don't send the android out first to test the area.
12. They leave just one person on the ship, and leave the bay door wide open in unfamiliar terrain.
13. There is wheat on the planet. Did they just take seeds with them for the fun of it?
14. You do not let an infected person with an alien disease back on your ship.
15. Don't open the door to a quarantine lab with a monster in it, and don't go inside and slip on the blood.
16. When you shoot the metal wall of your shuttle with metal bullets, they usually ricochet. The fuel canisters are not usually left inside the ship, on the wall next to the door.
17. The two crew members that were in the shuttle as it exploded. At what point do you go check on all the screaming in the next room?
18. When following an android on an alien planet with a flare gun, through a dead city full of dead bodies, don't bother asking him about any of it. Or suspect him as the only survivor to have been the cause.
19. Androids kissing each other. Android David raping a woman. Why?
20. David decides to give himself a haircut, using garden sheers for no obvious reason, yet afterwards it was clearly done with an electric razor. And no one questions it.
21. Android robots can play the flute. You need lungs for that, to blow air.
22. Android David created the dust mites, the mutant embryo, a dozen eggs without a queen. Yet he made all this without any scientific equipment, zero tools, while living in a cave filled with his drawings and a flute.
23. The smart mini dust mites were perfection. A micro monster that kills within minutes. Logically, why would it evolve to a size that makes it vulnerable?
24. Don't split up in an alien vessel.
25. When you contact the main ship in orbit, give them a full report. Not just two words. And they should have abandoned you at that point to protect the rest of the passengers.
26. When the Captain finds David, talking to an Alien with the decapitated head of a fellow crew-member in the water, he doesn't start shooting him. Instead he follows him into the bowels of the ship and into a room full of eggs.
27. Do not look directly into an alien egg that is opening.
28. Apparently the gestation time of face alien impregnating a person to full alien form is just ten seconds now. Yet later it takes a few hours, and in Alien it took a day.
29. When Walter goes to confront David after being attacked, he should have got himself a gun. He was missing a hand, and about to fight another android on his home turf.
30. Do not fly a colony ship into a plasma storm, overwriting every safety protocol.
31. The loading platform should have flown straight back up. There was no reason the pilot was swinging the ship around like a mad man. The alien was not affecting its movement, and the storm had even subsided. Yet he flew it into buildings and all sorts of tilting.
32. With problems piling up, you don't turn of "Mother" the main ship computer for rebooting.
33. The aliens smash through reinforced glass with its head at every opportunity, without any harm to themselves.
34. The humans wear spacesuits to survive in the vacuum. But apparently aliens can survive without them.
35. Do not take a loud shower, with loud music and ignore the siren alarms.
36. When you have two identical looking androids and one of them is evil. Perhaps ask it a few basic security questions before giving it full command of the ship.
I definitely will not be seeing this in theaters.
Originally posted by carthage
Did no one hear Mother give the atmospheric reading????
Technically I can't call this turdfest a turdfest until I see it, but I've seen the comments here and I'm phoning in my vote for turdfest sight unseen.
Originally posted by roughrider
Ridley Scott really wanted to explore a different part of the Alien universe with the Engineers, but people were so polarized about Prometheus (not me, I loved it) that I think this five year period between films was all about them (Fox) forcing another bug hunt on him, earlier than he wanted to do it.
Yes, this is exactly what happened.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Y'know I would've loved to see a scene where Jesus Christ Engineer is being crucified & in his final dying moments he unleashes a plague of xenos on the Roman Empire...Yeah I saw the same interview where Ridley wants a Star Wars saga...unfortunately Covenant is the poor man's New Hope.
The thing is we've already seen the potential of a War Of The World's series...it's called Starship Troopers.
Me, too, haha. Jesus with an army of xenomorphs would rule.
Yeah, so if they really wanted to expand the scope they should have kept with the Engineer mythology. Going smaller and stupider was definitely the wrong decision. But at the same time it's hard to really make Star Wars-style movies on an R-rated budget. So this was doomed the fail from the start...
Originally posted by Ascendancy
From IMDB, a poster did a great job summing up how horridly wrong this went:"Spoilers. This film is a complete mess."
Spoiler:
....I definitely will not be seeing this in theaters.
Yes, avoid at all costs. There's some nice visuals, and I actually enjoyed some of the opening scenes after turning off the brain, but it's not worth it. It falls apart horribly. The film is seriously a complete disaster. People made some similar complaints with Prometheus, but I really don't think they were justified. It was (mostly) just people bitching for the sake of bitching. But Covenant is seriously the worst thought-out pile of crap possible. There is no good way to look at it, no way to justify it. It's absurd and seriously makes a mockery of the Alien franchise.
And Ridley once again sold it like he was going to use a lot more practical creatures and Special Make-up Effects, but there was a ton of CGI that took me out of the film. And the CGI is not good.
It's performing pretty far below Prometheus at the box office...
Alien: Covenant: 4-Day Total:
$39,483,805
Prometheus: 4-Day Total:
$56,254,997
Originally posted by roughrider
Ridley Scott really wanted to explore a different part of the Alien universe with the Engineers, but people were so polarized about Prometheus (not me, I loved it) that I think this five year period between films was all about them (Fox) forcing another bug hunt on him, earlier than he wanted to do it.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes, this is exactly what happened.
We can't be sure that Ridley didn't legitimately change his mind after seeing how polarizing Prometheus was. But keep in mind I think people who bitched about Prometheus were much louder than those who liked it. Bitchers made a huge stink about there not being xenos. Ridley says so much in this interview, says he saw on social media that people missed the xenos (this is also the interview where he mentions Star Wars)....