Superman VS Marvel: Slugfest Gauntlet

Originally posted by carver9
Im going to ask again, can someone tell me a SINGLE showing that proves Hulk doesn't start off at High Herald strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fighting namor on land for an entire issue? Getting knocked out by Namor? His many fights against Thing? Thor being able to match his strength for an entire hour despite his strength increasing constantly? How many more you want? Savage starts at 85 tons and gets stronger with anger, his stalemates with Namor prove that who he's fought more than anybody else.

Namor is above class 100.

Namor is above class 100.

Thing was never proven as being as strong as Hulk.

Thor is above class 100.

Please leave this to me and Rao.

Originally posted by carver9
@Rao...

Provide scans of Hulk being beaten by bugs and again, that doesn't have anything to do with strength, that durability. Hulk at a calm state held up a mountain twice the size our biggest mountain in the U.S.

I did not said "beaten" I said worked up. Don't try to use words I did not use.

If by the feat I am thinking you mean the secret wars one? or is there another one?

And I believe is widely known that Savage Hulk starts off at 75 ton or at 85 ton with POTENTIALLY becoming stronger to incalculable levels, depending on his stress level. Now I do not know how calm you can be when You see a mountain that is about to fall in your dome and you can only lift 75 tons at base level, but I will get pretty stressed in that situation, won't you?

Mindless or Bannerless start at PEAK but become weaker due to the lack of banner and start loosing strength.

WBH and WWH is the HULK who achieves critical mass and can stay at peak, with out getting weaker.

You remember that post I made for you comparing the hulks? I think you even started using it in some of your arguments.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I did not said "beaten" I said worked up. Don't try to corrupt the argument.

If by the feat I am thinking you mean the secret wars one? or is there another one?

Yes, a calm Hulk held up a mountain twice the size of the Appalachians.

Originally posted by carver9
Namor is above class 100.

Namor is above class 100.

Thing was never proven as being as strong as Hulk.

Thor is above class 100.

Please leave this to me and Rao.

What about Boltagan?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What about Boltagan?

Blackbolt? When did Black Bolt physically restrain Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
Blackbolt? When did Black Bolt physically restrain Hulk?

Blackbolt knocked out Savage Hulk.

IIRC it is in the 130'S in the early seventies.

Originally posted by carver9
Namor is above class 100.

Namor is above class 100.

Thing was never proven as being as strong as Hulk.

Thor is above class 100.

Please leave this to me and Rao.

Doesn't matter in this. Hulk after being angry was KOED by namor.

So even after being angry for one hour, he was only able to stalemate Thor? Superman is stronger than hulk even after he gets angry for one hour then.

A 45 tonner Thing was just as strong as an angry hulk when his strength was doubled by outside means. I think you know how to do math.

Nope.

sneer

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Blackbolt knocked out Savage Hulk.

IIRC it is in the 130'S in the early seventies.

So BlackBolt overpowered Hulk? Scans.

Also, a calm Hulk held up a mountain twice the size of the Appalachians.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259408/Hulk4.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, a calm Hulk held up a mountain twice the size of the Appalachians.

That is not SAVAGE HULK, that is "Banner Hulk"

As in Banner is in control, Now I do not know how calm you can be, when You see a mountain that is about to fall in your dome and you can only lift 75 tons at base level but I will get pretty stressed out in that situation, won't you?

Not to mention that the feat says that Hulk is bracing TWO MILES OF ROCK.

Secret Wars #4 when Iron man is talking to the Hulk on the first panel.

I think is clear that Hulk is bracing TWO miles of rock

Is there, I am not making this up.

It says that Hulk is bracing TWO miles of rock.

So basically it says that HE is supporting two miles of rock BECAUSE he has leverage.

It does NOT says that He is supporting 150 billion tons, the COVER and page says that HULK is UNDER 150 Billion tons, BUT the feat says that he is ONLY supporting TWO miles of rock.

Anyhow, Savage HULK and Banner Hulk at about the same base strength level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fighting namor on land for an entire issue? Getting knocked out by Namor? His many fights against Thing? Thor being able to match his strength for an entire hour despite his strength increasing constantly? How many more you want? Savage starts at 85 tons and gets stronger with anger, his stalemates with Namor prove that who he's fought more than anybody else.

IIRC it was hours.

There's also Spider-man knocking him out, Samson being able to stalemate him for a long time/knock him out/contend physically for a long time. Iron Man knocking him out/fighting him, Abomination being way stronger in the beginning, teen Colossus fighting him for a long time, etc.

I don't see why Hulk fans need to cling to this desperate notion that Hulk does not only get stronger, but that he already is stronger than everybody else.

Furthermore, start off at "high herald strength" ? What is high herald strength? Because few of the people in any of the herald categories are equally strong. And the people who are put in high are normally put there on the grounds of being herald-level and then sometimes going off into the trans-tier, but OBVIOUSLY Hulk's base strength is not in the "passes into trans tier" since then it would no longer be his base!

His base is clearly hundreds of times higher than Sinestro's...who is a human yet in high herald. So Superman then? Arguably the strongest guy in the high herald category? Is that where he starts? Because if so, then people should say "Hulk's base is Superman's level" and debate that, instead of trying to pass some vague collective consensus based off of all of the characters in one category being around the same strength-level WHEN THEY ARE CLEARLY NOT 🙂

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That is not SAVAGE HULK, that is "Banner Hulk"

As in Banner is in control, Now I do not know how calm you can be, when You see a mountain that is about to fall in your dome and you can only lift 75 tons at base level but I will get pretty stressed out in that situation, won't you?

Not to mention that the feat says that Hulk is bracing TWO MILES OF ROCK.

Secret Wars #4 when Iron man is talking to the Hulk on the first panel.

I think is clear that Hulk is bracing TWO miles of rock

Is there, I am not making this up.

It says that Hulk is bracing TWO miles of rock.

So basically it says that HE is supporting two miles of rock BECAUSE he has leverage.

It does NOT says that He is supporting 150 billion tons, the COVER and page says that HULK is UNDER 150 Billion tons, BUT the feat says that he is ONLY supporting TWO miles of rock.

Anyhow, Savage HULK and Banner Hulk at about the same base strength level.

You are really grasping at straws.

Originally posted by Raisen
You are really grasping at straws.

It is there, read it!

Is clear as water, HULK IS BRACING TWO MILES OF ROCK, BECAUSE HE HAS LEVERAGE.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
It is there, read it!

Is clear as water, HULK IS BRACING TWO MILES OF ROCK, BECAUSE HE HAS LEVERAGE.

How is it a straw? It's an argument directed at one Hulk's premier strength feats. How is that not related to a discussion where Hulk's strength will be matched up against Superman's.

Originally posted by Raisen

Nice Argument bro 👆

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
It is there, read it!

Is clear as water, HULK IS BRACING TWO MILES OF ROCK, BECAUSE HE HAS LEVERAGE.

So a class 85 can brace a mountain? Why couldn't She Hulk do it? Also, its clear he is lifting.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259420/Hulk8.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
So BlackBolt overpowered Hulk? Scans.

Also, a calm Hulk held up a mountain twice the size of the Appalachians.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259408/Hulk4.jpg.html

Black Bolt's theme song...

HULK'S JUMP UP TO GET BEAT DOWN!
😎

Originally posted by carver9
So a class 85 can brace a mountain? Why couldn't She Hulk do it? Also, its clear he is lifting.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259420/Hulk8.jpg.html

That is a retcon, give me the number please

Maybe because it says RIGHT there that she is STILL weak???

Maybe it was due to to beating/sucker blast/building falling on her head , that VOLCANA gave her and she was STILL WEAK because of it? (Secret wars #3)

Stated from DC Universe..

Superman is as strong as he needs to be and really has no upper limits...

No green rocks and He clears them all.