Superman VS Marvel: Slugfest Gauntlet · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

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Originally posted by carver9
There you go lowballing (well, trying to) again. I don't how you get away with this crap.
When did Hulk and Superman fight in a canon crossover minus the voted one?

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LordofBrooklyn Senior Member

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Superman VS Marvel: Slugfest Gauntlet

Originally posted by Dampyre
So, this isn't a slugfest then? And when Superman fought the rage-impaired Hulk he didn't land 3 punches to Hulk's one.

They are restrcted to punches, ergo a slugfest.

If it is punch for punch Hulk still drops first.

That crossover wasn't KMC approved as both weren't going all out at the start.

Yamcha Desert Bandit

Re: Superman VS Marvel: Slugfest Gauntlet

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman
VS
1) Hercules
2) Wonder-Man
3) Thor
4) Hulk
5) Hyperion
Man Of Steel or Men of MarveL?

1) Poor Herc gets knocked senseless

2) I don't see him really causing a problem for Supes

3) While Thor is one of my all time favorites, I've accepted the fact him and Supes are in different leagues (Hey no shame, the man of steel has that over quite a few people.)

4) Love the hulk, but I've always said..I'd be scared of a pissed Hulk, but I'd be terrified of a pissed Superman. If he's not holding back and basically is viewing Hulk as he would Darkseid I don't see this going in the hulks favor.

5) I don't know enough about Hyperion to really judge....like I literally know nothing of him..I saw a scan of him beat up and Man Thing about to touch him or something >_>....but from what I hear he's like a Marvel Supes so I can't really give a choice here.

carver9 Senior Member

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Superman VS Marvel: Slugfest Gauntlet

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
They are restrcted to punches, ergo a slugfest.
If it is punch for punch Hulk still drops first.
That crossover wasn't KMC approved as both weren't going all out at the start.

All your opinion buddy.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you mean it doesn't matter? Hulk not being able to amp himself more than his base by a certain degree does matter, and significantly so.

Because he never reached that point where he would've turned into banner. Whenever that happened hulk was seen as worrying that he would turn into banner. Superman knocked him out before he reached that point.
His heat vision did hurt the Hulk and it automatically disqualifies this from being a slugfest.
Not if the slugfest was the main reason hulk got KTFO. Hulk shrugged off that HV blast.
Superman's not beating Hulk in a slugfest, and referencing a fight where he barely beats a Hulk who has his entire shtick neutered does not help your case. I don't even know why you brought it up to counter my point since it's invalid.
Hulk's entire shtick wasn't neutered and it was canon and written by PAD. I don't think its much of a stretch to imagine any future meeting would go the same way.
Superman can beat Hulk, but it's not going to be by standing his ground and trading punches.
He obviously can, he's no Thor.
The best he can hope for is a stalemate. Superman is the go to hero but at this point, Hulk is too firmly established as the strength guy.
Superman is and always going to be the strength guy. Its just too firmly rooted in his character. Sure Pak gave a firm push to Hulk's invincibility but that's past us. He's again going to be the same hulk of old. He's tough as hell but cn be beaten if he doesn't get too angry.

Feel free to disagree.

The only thing to disagree is that how does anybody suggests that this is anything but a slugfest which knocked hulk out?

carver9 Senior Member

1). Hulk was capped. Unable to use his full strength.
2). Superman using heat vision takes away from it being a slugfest. The only thing missing is ice breath.
3). That fight was fan voted which means the writers opinion is thrown out the window.
4). Superman said he gave EVERYTHING against a Hulk that couldn't amp. Imagine him facing someone like Savage that doesn't have limitations or WWH.

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
1). Hulk was capped. Unable to use his full strength.
2). Superman using heat vision takes away from it being a slugfest. The only thing missing is ice breath.
3). That fight was fan voted which means the writers opinion is thrown out the window.
4). Superman said he gave EVERYTHING against a Hulk that couldn't amp. Imagine him facing someone like Savage that doesn't have limitations or WWH.

1. False. Don't make me post scans of how "savage banner" mode worked or you would be made a fool once again.

2. A single blast of HV which hulk shrugged off.

3. That was Byrne superman too. Superman at the end of DCU was much stronger than him. Savage's base was much lower than Merged hulk. That means he would be KTFO before he amps too much.

4. Not true at all. Fans only voted who to win, it was upto writers to write how to write the fight. If the wanted to made the fight vague they could've gone to the route as SS/GL fight or would've shown Hulk as stronger like they did to namor against hulk and would've shown superman winning by other means like super-speed or something else. Nothing of that sort happened, superman straight up dropped hulk in a slugfest.

carver9 Senior Member

You dont have to post proof, I will.

Savage Hulk dominates Thor in a physical fight.

Savage Banner fights Thor and is losing and admits that he is losing because he can't amp.

I will reply to the rest of your lame post later.

Damborgson King of the Damboys

Just like to point out that was bannerless hulk. That is all.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
You dont have to post proof, I will.
Savage Hulk dominates Thor in a physical fight.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%203/9.jpg
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Savage Banner fights Thor and is losing and admits that he is losing because he can't amp.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/1.jpg
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I will reply to the rest of your lame post later.

😂 @posting bannerless hulk vs thor here.

As usual you don't know what you are talking about. Savage Banner mode only activated when Hulk was TOO ANGRY. Hulk wasn't losing there, he was afraid that he would turn into Banner if he got too angry and thus not going all out. Savage hulk was fighting Thor for a relatively long time and could've passed merged hulk in strength department somewhere in the fight. It doesn't changes the fact that Merged hulk started way stronger than savage and could still amp his strength like every hulk, sometime even faster than others.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/ProfessorHulkStrength01389.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Powers/ProfessorHulkAmping03413.jpg

Savage banner failsafe only emerged when Betty was threatened and Hulk got too angry.

The Sorrow Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂 @posting bannerless hulk vs thor here.
As usual you don't know what you are talking about. Savage Banner mode only activated when Hulk was TOO ANGRY. Hulk wasn't losing there, he was afraid that he would turn into Banner if he got too angry and thus not going all out. Savage hulk was fighting Thor for a relatively long time and could've passed merged hulk in strength department somewhere in the fight. It doesn't changes the fact that Merged hulk started way stronger than savage and could still amp his strength like every hulk, sometime even faster than others.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/ProfessorHulkStrength01389.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Powers/ProfessorHulkAmping03413.jpg
Savage banner failsafe only emerged when Betty was threatened and Hulk got too angry.

I know you enjoy riling up Carver Abhil but that's a lie and you know it, using Merged Hulk prior to the Savage Banner limitation isn't going to go unnoticed by people that actually have read Hulk books. In the clash with Superman he couldn't increase his strength and that was stated by writers and also fits into his continuity at the time.

curryman Senior Member

lmfao at this kid posting scans of Hulk getting stalemated by Thor not using his hammer, and then trying to somehow twist that into Hulk standing a chance against Superman.

Shame the ignore button doesn't keep you from seeing people's posts when they're quoted 🙁

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Guys, get back on topic. Don't try to pretend that the last couple of pages have been anything close to that.

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So is this a straight fight where speed is equalized between all combatants cause that could change on how I think he fairs through this gauntlet.

If speed is equalized I think Hercules could take Superman using his skill.

If speed is not equalized I could see Superman clearing it.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I know you enjoy riling up Carver Abhil but that's a lie and you know it, using Merged Hulk prior to the Savage Banner limitation isn't going to go unnoticed by people that actually have read Hulk books. In the clash with Superman he couldn't increase his strength and that was stated by writers and also fits into his continuity at the time.

Merged hulk could still amp his strength in savage banner era, he would just revert to banner if he got too angry. Where was this stated that he couldn't amp his strength?

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he never reached that point where he would've turned into banner. Whenever that happened hulk was seen as worrying that he would turn into banner. Superman knocked him out before he reached that point.

But without that limitation, Hulk chose to be a lot less restrained at different points. He even began to instinctively keep his anger in check, more so than usual.

Hulk wouldn't let himself amp much past his base, because he couldn't. If he got too angry, he would start running into problems such as in his fight with Thor:
http://s226.beta.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/3.jpg.html

Do you really not see how huge of a difference it would make if Hulk could get as angry as he wanted to without worrying about turning into Banner nagging at the back of his mind?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not if the slugfest was the main reason hulk got KTFO. Hulk shrugged off that HV blast. Hulk's entire shtick wasn't neutered and it was canon and written by PAD. I don't think its much of a stretch to imagine any future meeting would go the same way.

I'm sorry, but I'm not about to completely ignore an attack that hurt an opponent in a fight this close. Who's to say Superman would have won if he chose to trade blows instead of blasting him from a distance and flying fists first into Hulk's face?

I think it very much is, if a Hulk PAD wrote to be significantly hand-capped in battles against other high end strongmen compared to his other incarnations barely lost to Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He obviously can, he's no Thor. Superman is and always going to be the strength guy. Its just too firmly rooted in his character. Sure Pak gave a firm push to Hulk's invincibility but that's past us. He's again going to be the same hulk of old. He's tough as hell but cn be beaten if he doesn't get too angry.

Sorry, but Hulk has dwarfed even Superman on that front.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The only thing to disagree is that how does anybody suggests that this is anything but a slugfest which knocked hulk out?

Because when heat vision and flight are used to your advantage, then it's no longer considered to be a slugfest.

Diesldude Senior Member

It's just bad timing when that cross over occurred. If it happened at any time, in the past or now, the outcome will be the same. It was a battle of what hulk stands for against superman. Brute strength and superman beat him at his own game. Superman doesn't go for the kill shot with his HV. It was more like get him off balance type tactic. It didn't work, so they slugged it out.

Edit: iirc there was a time limit. Not sure if they had to be down for a certain amount of time for a KO or that they had to finish the fight in a certain amount of time. From the scans, they were trading punches until superman got serious and decided to put him down with that final punch.

The Sorrow Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Merged hulk could still amp his strength in savage banner era, he would just revert to banner if he got too angry. Where was this stated that he couldn't amp his strength?

The fact that his rage is what amps his strength maybe? In the Thor fight Carver posted Hulk had barely been fighting Thor and was already worrying about turning back into Banner. It was a silly way of basically shoehorning the savage persona back into continuity but I don't see how you can argue against what was at that point, an integral plot point of PADs run.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But without that limitation, Hulk chose to be a lot less restrained at different points. He even began to instinctively keep his anger in check, more so than usual.

Yeah and whenever that happened, hulk was too angry at that point. Not like in his fight with superman.
Hulk wouldn't let himself amp much past his base, because he couldn't. If he got too angry, he would start running into problems such as in his fight with Thor:
http://s226.beta.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/3.jpg.html
Do you really not see how huge of a difference it would make if Hulk could get as angry as he wanted to without worrying about turning into Banner nagging at the back of his mind?
No such problems were given when he fought superman who knocked him out before he could get too angry to reach the failsafe.
I'm sorry, but I'm not about to completely ignore an attack that hurt an opponent in a fight this close. Who's to say Superman would have won if he chose to trade blows instead of blasting him from a distance and flying fists first into Hulk's face?
Hulk was clearly unhurt by that attack. Do you have so little faith in merged hulk's HF under PAD? Dude was healing holes in his chest in moments and he even states he was able to withstand a lot more. Flying into hulk? Now you're just nitpicking.
I think it very much is, if a Hulk PAD wrote to be significantly hand-capped in battles against other high end strongmen compared to his other incarnations barely lost to Superman.
He wasn't handicapped in the fight because before he reached the point of his handicap to take any effect, he was knocked out.
Sorry, but Hulk has dwarfed even Superman on that front.
I feel sorry for you then. SUPER-strength, think about it.

Because when heat vision and flight are used to your advantage, then it's no longer considered to be a slugfest.

HV was shrugged off and the flight was in response to hulk's ground pound effect. It was a slugfest and superman knocked hulk out before he got too angry. Heck, they even stood and traded punches for the most part. Why's that so difficult to grasp?