Beta Ray Bill vs Supergirl

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman complimented her the way he compliments everyone. She doesn't have the kind of feats that put her on his level, and when he's had to, Superman has put her down consistently.

And no, the earth moving feat isn't better than any Thor or Hulk feat. It's honestly starting to sound like you haven't read much of them.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't see how Pr does it.

By the way, based off fts, Bill is stronger than Supergirl and more durable.

Originally posted by a88378438
the supergirl at least as strong as wonder woman,that I say a lot of time,who help move 1/3 of the earth,thor or hulk has better than this?show me please

She isn't as strong as Wonder Woman. She's not too far off, but there is a definite level of separation between them most of the time.

And Supergirl hasn't moved the Earth. Maybe she could, but we haven't seen it. Just because Wonder Woman did it, doesn't mean Supergirl automatically gets the feat.

Hulk? Like Planet Hulk? Or Heart of the Monster? Both of those arcs have feats better than that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
She isn't as strong as Wonder Woman. She's not too far off, but there is a definite level of separation between them most of the time.

And Supergirl hasn't moved the Earth. Maybe she could, but we haven't seen it. Just because Wonder Woman did it, doesn't mean Supergirl automatically gets the feat.

Hulk? Like Planet Hulk? Or Heart of the Monster? Both of those arcs have feats better than that.

Originally posted by a88378438
only break world hulk (who fight with red she-hulk)could be stronger than superman or supergirl,other hulk,no way
supergirl was as strong as powergirl,and wonder woman says powergirl at least as strong as herself,read comics,they are use "at least"that could be mean supergirl or powergirl stronger than wonder woman,wonder woman very close to superman in strength,who help move 1/3 of the earth,enough prove it
Dont agree?scan shazam move earth scan,scan BA move earth,scan DD move the earth,scan orion move the earth,scan DS move the earth
a lot of charater no show us they are can move earth,but in the simple fact they are CAN,even DD stronger than superman,he can move more than superman

Yes way. WWH was. Savage too.
Supergirl and Powergirl aren't the same character. You don't get to transfer feats over to the other. I said they were close in strength, but Wonder Woman still has better feats.
Neither of them is stronger than Wonder Woman.
Huh? I'm not saying you have to move the Earth to be capable of it.
DD isn't stronger than Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-

when he's had to, Superman has put her down consistently.

I don't see how you can argue this one moment, then, in the next, consider the kind of performances Supergirl had against Ultraman in more or less straight brawls, and not consider UM inferior to Kara.

Why disregard THOSE fight results?

I mean, the 2nd one especially was pretty decisive ...
and not long in coming, either.

Originally posted by a88378438
Serious, there is no prove to support

Im saying...I don't see how Pr finds the time to debate with all the people he is debating against, especially the people that typing skills/grammer is jacked the hell up. He's a patient guy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes way. WWH was. Savage too.
Supergirl and Powergirl aren't the same character. You don't get to transfer feats over to the other. I said they were close in strength, but Wonder Woman still has better feats.
Neither of them is stronger than Wonder Woman.
Huh? I'm not saying you have to move the Earth to be capable of it.
DD isn't stronger than Superman.

Originally posted by a88378438
only break world hulk could be stronger than superman because this hulk "grow up"the power level,he can just A Shock Wave to destroy planet,so this hulk even more powerful than superman,but there not has this hulk in the thread
need me say again?
normal hulk struggle lift a mountain,herc(who a lot of time prove he can match thor strength)struggle move a ManhattanCGladiator struggle lift building,need more?
supergirl as strong as powergirl and wonder woman says powergirl at least as strong as herself this was simple fact in the panel,unless you not read this comic

savage hulk can be argued as being stronger than superman.
say what again?
normal hulk only struggled decades ago. He'd do it fine nowadays. Hercules doesn't have the strength feats thor has. you can't show one character's weakness and apply it to another; it's not how it works.
I have read the comic. That's not how it works, though. That logic won't hold up in a proper debate.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't see how you can argue this one moment, then, in the next, consider the kind of performances Supergirl had against Ultraman in more or less straight brawls, and not consider UM inferior to Kara.

Why disregard THOSE fight results?

I mean, the 2nd one especially was pretty decisive ...
and not long in coming, either.

because ultraman's highs are much higher than kara's.

Originally posted by -Pr-
savage hulk can be argued as being stronger than superman.
say what again?
normal hulk only struggled decades ago. He'd do it fine nowadays. Hercules doesn't have the strength feats thor has. you can't show one character's weakness and apply it to another; it's not how it works.
I have read the comic. That's not how it works, though. That logic won't hold up in a proper debate.

because ultraman's highs are much higher than kara's.

Originally posted by a88378438
normal hulk no feats can put him above the superman,only break world hulk could be
SadlyCthor,hulk,herc,or other marvel charater never move the earth to prove they are exact strength level,even i'm love marvel,beyonder,LT,IG,TOAA,but the marvel hero strength was not DC hero strength level,they are never move the earth,never lift earth weight five days
SG=PG>WW in strength,or PG>SG>WW in strength,you dont like?doesnt matter,because this was true In panel,you can Choose to ignore

KMC posting. So easy, a caveman can do it

I really wish someone from the Beta Ray Bill side would present some feats for Bill. Only thing so far has been that kamikaze charge into a planet, which seems to be his highest end feat ever.

I've presented Kara's 1st Legion adventure, where she, arguably, plowed through a moon and utterly destroyed it without so much as slowing down her rush. Having read through that scene and what was going on, however, I'm not so sure that was REALLY what happened. What Kara did after that is firmer and perhaps equally or more impressive, and that I might show a little later.

In the meantime, though, think now would be a good time to show a slightly more mundane but still high level encounter.

This should also prove my point about events, writers, staff, retcons, whatever "conspiring" to lower the level of her physicality.

Story arcs and even characters themselves underwent MASSIVE and fundamental changes throughout her run, often not for the better.

Besides, no matter how long it takes, I never like to leave a quote dangling if I can help it:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

[Kara received] somewhat of a nerfing from later writer Sterling Gates ...

Since this would take me an EXTREMELY long time to upload myself, I'm borrowing these from the 2007 Supergirl Respect Thread.
Thank you to the creator of that thread for providing these scans:

Supergirl Vs. the ORIGINAL Pre-Gates Reactron

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My mistake.
pre-52 superman fight with earth two superman in Infinite crisis,superman not just a planet buster,they continue theyre fight breaking time and space with strength alone,that could be more powerful than break world hulk

^ I do not know if any in the Thor Corps camp is going to raise to the challenge.

All I'm going to say is that If I were Beta Ray Bill, I will do everything and anything in my power to spank that ass. 😈

Originally posted by carver9
I don't see how Pr does it.

By the way, based off fts, Bill is stronger than Supergirl and more durable.

Originally posted by a88378438
normal hulk no feats can put him above the superman,only break world hulk could be
SadlyCthor,hulk,herc,or other marvel charater never move the earth to prove they are exact strength level,even i'm love marvel,beyonder,LT,IG,TOAA,but the marvel hero strength was not DC hero strength level,they are never move the earth,never lift earth weight five days
SG=PG>WW in strength,or PG>SG>WW in strength,you dont like?doesnt matter,because this was true In panel,you can Choose to ignore

I disagree with pretty much everything you just wrote, tbh.

Originally posted by a88378438
My mistake.
pre-52 superman fight with earth two superman in Infinite crisis,superman not just a planet buster,they continue theyre fight breaking time and space with strength alone,that could be more powerful than break world hulk

they didn't do it with strength alone. It was an impressive feat, but Alexander Luthor was messing with the multiverse at that time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I disagree with pretty much everything you just wrote, tbh.

they didn't do it with strength alone. It was an impressive feat, but Alexander Luthor was messing with the multiverse at that time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That actually happened after the fight. Also the destruction of the planet was explicitly caused by their punches.

I have no problem with the planet being destroyed. IIRC, the time and space shattering was happening at the same time as luthor ****ing around.

I think that had to more with the fact that creating a new multiverse will by default create boundaries to break.

Before IC there was only one universe (aside for that Hypertime thing) So breaching universal boundaries was impossible because there was only one universe, therefore no boundaries to break.

After this events however the creation of a multiverse created boundaries to break.

If any it was stated in IC that the ONE universe was unstable because of the many anomalies on it and Alex Luthor exploited this anomalies that were trying by law of nature to settle themselves.

Worth to mention is that only kryptonians punching at full force achieved this effect.

And yes IIRC the messing with other earths happened after the fight. The creation of the multiverse happened before the fight. but the notion of an unstable universe IIRC was the one universe the one that was unstable.

NOW I HAVE TO READ THAT SH1T AGAIN!

Originally posted by -Pr-
I have no problem with the planet being destroyed. IIRC, the time and space shattering was happening at the same time as luthor ****ing around.