Supergirl versus Amazons Attack! Cyclops.
Scan 3.
Note the wound hampering Supergirl from a previous injury.
May or may not be significant that Supergirl, though feeling the effects of whatever magic is present, is yet strong enough to resist the skyscraper-sized Cyclops and gouge handholds into the hammer's metal.
In the actual book this was originally taken from, Supergirl thinks the word "Magic" as she is flung away. There are a few more panels of back and forth action, but they are more or less filler for artwork.
Basic idea, she's having trouble because the big strong guy with the hammer is a magic being, and/or the hammer itself is magic as well.
It's stated directly by Kara herself, it's also stated directly by the man who gives her advice here.
This showing, well after the runs of Loeb, Rucka, and Verheiden, and perhaps even that of Joe Kelly or Mark Waid, features a bit of a low for Supergirl in that the key to victory is something she herself did not come up with.
Might as well include a final scan here.
Give the showing some completion.
Given that Kara actually knocks the giant out with fistcuffs, one might be left wondering if that arrow was actually necessary for her to score the win. Doesn't put the beast down. Just takes away his offense.
Which you might think a flying character with good perception and superspeed could do on their own, but apparently that idea is not applicable here.
Lack of such allows the "advice" guy to contribute something meaningful to the story, I guess.
No fathoming the mysteries of DC in any case.
If that's not the answer, no one's going to lose sleep over it ...
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Source: Supergirl #20, Volume 5
Writer: Tony Bedard
Penciller: Renato Guedes
Date: October 2007
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Supergirl_Vol_5_20
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Even using your reasoning, I'm not seeing where there's a problem.From what I gather from you for [b]your
rankings, considering only physical strength, YOUR chart would be as follows:Superman
Supergirl = Thor/Gladiator
Ultraman = Beta Ray Bill... in which cases a nearly perfect case is made for Supergirl having physical advantage in this fight, but the fight perhaps going Bill's way if lots of Stormbreaker magic gets used.
Which is essentially what you've told me on all preceding pages.
Do you disagree with what I have for your rankings above?
Or is there something else you think I'm missing? [/B]
Those wouldn't be my rankings, no.
If I were to put them down, it would be:
Superman >= Thor
Ultraman >= Bill
Supergirl
Just imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Those wouldn't be my rankings, no.If I were to put them down, it would be:
Superman >= Thor
Ultraman >= Bill
SupergirlJust imo.
I can see you reasoning "Superman greater than Thor", for JLA versus Avengers and the famous "dials go up to eleven" scene.
I can see you reasoning "Superman greater than Ultraman" because of the win/loss record between the two. Somewhat.
I do not understand why you rank Ultraman higher than Supergirl given the result of their 3 encounters.
I'm also interested in what you've seen from Bill that leads you to believe he's stronger than Kara, especially given that you equate him, at best, lesser than or equal to Ultraman, who, again, LOST to Kara 3 times in fairly direct brawls, and whom you also admitted you don't know much about.
Best I can fairly reason is that you largely missed the first half or two-thirds of modern Supergirl's performances and started reading her, perhaps, at the point where they de-aged her by 2 years to then re-pursue a "hero in training" motif.
Certainly writers after Loeb, Rucka, Waid, and Kelly focused on creating self-esteem and competency challenges for Kara to overcome.
Likewise, there seems to be more of a fascination with "drama power" from the writers for her.
Kara under Loeb, for instance, is strong throughout when rescuing, say, Air Force One in Supergirl #0. It is, in fact, a one-handed affair for her.
By the time Supergirl #20 comes around, however, Air Force One requires far, far more effort, last ditch effort even, and, to add insult to injury, Kara has NO assurance everyone will survive. Still very impressive, but a somewhat puzzling jar given the relatively consistent high-level physical strength she enjoyed before that point:
Originally posted by -Pr-
Rephrase, please?
Originally posted by a88378438
thor,bill,blue marvel hulk or GladiatorCthey are no feats can prove they are was superman strength level,again,destroy planet cant prove they are can move the planet,and supergirl was superman strength level
i dont see how bill can match her strength,bill only use magic could be has a change
So you think Supergirl is on Superman's physical level, but people like Thor and Bill aren't?
Originally posted by -Pr-
So you think Supergirl is on Superman's physical level, but people like Thor and Bill aren't?
Originally posted by a88378438
I'm never see they are has HUGE strength feats in comic,GladiatorHdestroy a small planet,thor?lift Midgard Serpent,herc?pull ManhattanCor hulk?lift a mountain
the supergirl physical at least part with wonder woman if not superman,who help superman move 1/3 of the earth
that beyond any bill or other marvel strongest charater feats
It really isn't, tbh. You could easily argue that Hulk's best feats eclipse not just Supergirl's, but Wonder Woman's and even Superman's.
Thor is stronger and more durable than Supergirl if we go by feats, and don't use ABC logic.
The only real advantage Supergirl has is her speed.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It really isn't, tbh. You could easily argue that Hulk's best feats eclipse not just Supergirl's, but Wonder Woman's and even Superman's.Thor is stronger and more durable than Supergirl if we go by feats, and don't use ABC logic.
The only real advantage Supergirl has is her speed.
Originally posted by a88378438
I'm sorry but THOR NOT STRONGER AND MORE DURABLE,he no feats can prove it,hulk,herc,Gladiator these charater can match thor in strength,and they are feats?yes,hulk support of a mountain, no more than one minuteCherc struggle move the Manhattan,who a lot times prove equal to thor in strength,Gladiator struggle lift a buildingiF4 HOME)dont use abc logic?what are you talking about,if dont use some logic,shazam never move the earth,BA never move the earth,Doomsday never move the earth,so is that mean wonder woman stronger than Doomsday,shazam,BA?what the hell
supergirl was beyond they in strength feats,serious,i know all they are strength feats,Very goodCbut not enough as strong as supers
You're lowballing Thor and Hulk, tbh.
Normal logic, be it conclusive or inferred, is fine. ABC logic isn't.
Originally posted by a88378438
I'm sorry but THOR NOT STRONGER AND MORE DURABLE,he no feats can prove it,hulk,herc,Gladiator these charater can match thor in strength,and they are feats?yes,hulk support of a mountain, no more than one minuteCherc struggle move the Manhattan,who a lot times prove equal to thor in strength,Gladiator struggle lift a buildingiF4 HOME)dont use abc logic?what are you talking about,if dont use some logic,shazam never move the earth,BA never move the earth,Doomsday never move the earth,so is that mean wonder woman stronger than Doomsday,shazam,BA?what the hell
supergirl was beyond they in strength feats,serious,i know all they are strength feats,Very goodCbut not enough as strong as supers
BRB wins.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're lowballing Thor and Hulk, tbh.Normal logic, be it conclusive or inferred, is fine. ABC logic isn't.
Originally posted by a88378438
the supergirl has a lot of times to prove she very close to superman in strength,even superman himself dozen times says supergirl maybe stronger than him.rememberCthat superman says,not batman
also supergirl fight with Ultraman,who almost as strong as superman,i think blue already scan it,again,even supergirl not part with superman in strength,she at least part with wonder woman,who help superman move 1/3 of the earth,that feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thor or herc or hulk strength feats
Superman complimented her the way he compliments everyone. She doesn't have the kind of feats that put her on his level, and when he's had to, Superman has put her down consistently.
And no, the earth moving feat isn't better than any Thor or Hulk feat. It's honestly starting to sound like you haven't read much of them.