DBZ: Battle of Gods

Originally posted by Galan007
As a SSJ3, Goku was utterly shit-stomped by Bills, without any apparent effort. After ascending to a SSJG, Goku was able to put up a decent fight against Bills, and even deplete his stamina reserves. However, Bills still held the definitive advantage throughout their battle-- it still seemed like he was toying with Goku more than anything. What makes this even more impressive is that Bills tooled SSJG Goku while utilizing only 70% of his power.

ie. 70% Bills>>>>SSJG Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku/Mystic Gohan/Fat Buu/ALL DBZ. The only being more powerful than Bills is Whis, who was able to one-shot Bills with a casual hand-chop.

What I was trying to find out in the movie, was whether SSJ3 Goku closed the gap between himself and Mystic Gohan in the years after DBZ ended. Since Gohan's a nerd/pansy by nature whereas Goku loves to train.

The movie didn't seem to give a definitive answer for that. However, Bills beat SSJ3 Goku with a quick chop to the neck, whereas iirc he ko'd Mystic Gohan with a gut kick. The latter seems to have been a more forceful blow, but neck/back shots seem to count more in DBZ. 😛

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What I was trying to find out in the movie, was whether SSJ3 Goku closed the gap between himself and Mystic Gohan in the years after DBZ ended. Since Gohan's a nerd/pansy by nature whereas Goku loves to train.

The movie didn't seem to give a definitive answer for that. However, Bills beat SSJ3 Goku with a quick chop to the neck, whereas iirc he ko'd Mystic Gohan with a gut kick. The latter seems to have been a more forceful blow, but neck/back shots seem to count more in DBZ. 😛

I thought it was interesting/cool how they had Bills use pressure point blows, though-- like when he KO'd Piccolo via 2 chopstick jabs.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He wasn't stronger than Kid Buu. He was holding his own until the form's energy based weakness kicked in.

Never proven on-screen though. I can see why you would want to take his word alone to heart, but I for one would like to see the actual instance where SS3 Goku is outclassed by a Super Buu level being.

He was. Goku was also "holding his own" against Perfect Cell. Guess Cell wasn't stronger than Goku either huh?

It doesn't matter. Goku has proven time and again he can sense accurately the power of his opponents and the opponents of others. So to claim "this time he was wrong" is pretty stupid especially since you have nothing to back this up with

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All of the noteworthy Z fighters can, very accurately, sense power levels-- it's a skill they've mastered over several years/battles. That said, if Goku commented that Super Buu's power was vastly beyond his own(which he did), there is no reason whatsoever to question him-- he is the chief authority on ki-sensing. Now, had Goku went on to contend nigh-equally with Super Buu or somesuch, an argument could be made against the validity of said statement-- but that wasn't the case at all. As it stands: Super Buu>>>SSJ3 Goku(per Goku himself.)

That said, this means that Mystic Gohan must be vastly more powerful than SSJ3 Goku by proxy, given the casual manner in which he trounced Super Buu. ie. Mystic Gohan>>>Super Buu>>>SSJ3 Goku.

To further support this stance: we know that SSJ3 Gotenks was more powerful than SSJ3 Goku as well, given how well he did against Super Buu(they were near-equals.) Yet after absorbing Gohan, Buu commented that he'd "powered up a LOT." This implies that the power increase Buu received by absorbing Gohan>>>the power increase he received by absorbing SSJ3 Gotenks. ie. Buuhan>>>Buutenks... Which can be broken down as follows:
Mystic Gohan>>>Super Buu~SSJ3 Gotenks>>>SSJ3 Goku.

Fact is, before the events of BoG, the only characters more powerful than Mystic Gohan in DBZ proper were: Buutenks(marginally), Buuhan, and Vegito. Now that BoG has officially dropped, we can obviously add Whis, Bills, and SSJG Goku to that list.

How would Vegito fare against Bills? I think he'd kick Bill's ass.

Gogeta is still my fav. fusion...even with the almost 0 exposure he got. I like how he is the one no-non sense get job done in a minute guy.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
How would Vegito fare against Bills? I think he'd kick Bill's ass.

Either way, you'd *think* that if fusion would have been a viable tactic against Bills, the Z fighters would have at least considered it an option--especially given that the entire earth was at stake--but they didn't. It seemed like the only way for them to contend with Bills was to transform Goku into the SSJG(which implies that SSJG Goku>Vegito as well.)

For those reasons, I believe Bills was significantly more powerful than Vegito. /shrug

Well, just imagine Super Saiyan GOD Vegito once Vegeta becomes a SSG too and fuses with Goku.

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Which we all know IS going to happen.

Oh hell, yes. Make it happen, Akira.

Though truth be told, I will only care if it comes to the states, with Funimation doing the voice overs, and as an added bonus if Bruce Faulconer returns for the score.

Yeah... I think that alone should even increase the quality of the SSG Goku vs Bills fight for us (or at least for me), as the Japanese version of the fight on youtube without changes or anything was pretty "meh".

Then again, there'd still be the overuse of CG animation to kind of be annoyed at, and how do you know they won't make the SSG fusion look ridiculously young like SSG Goku? *shudders*

edit: Seems the full Bills fight Zack posted earlier actually got removed. Go figure, but I guess it was up long enough for everyone here that matters to see it.

Yeah the CG was mehish, but I did like most of the animation. To me the entire film felt like they were just testing the grounds.

Well if they were just testing the grounds so to speak, I can easily forgive that if they do something better with the animations in the films or arc to come. But yeah, aside from the CG, I still liked the animation of BoG too.

I'm conflicted. I want more DBZ. I will never have enough, but I don't want them to be as mediocre as BoG.

Was it that bad?

Speaking of which... Someone if they don't mind, send me a link to the full movie, whether it's here or in PM, assuming it has english subtitles.

Originally posted by ares834
Was it that bad?

Nah, it wasn't 'bad'. A 'bad' DBZ film would be Bio-Broly. However, it wasn't the best DBZ movie I've seen.

Tbh, it'd probably still be in my top 5 DBZ films, with #1 still being Bardock: Father of Goku.

I think what is really cool to think about is Bills wasn't even going full power against Goku, still beats him, and Whiss is way more powerful than Bills; Then thinking about if there's someone even higher on the food chain than him xD. I feel like this movie was alright for how long Toriyama has been out of things but I hope once he gets back into the real DBZ mindset that it only gets more and more crazy an over the top haha. I mean come on, Bills didn't even show us his 2 other forms that he totally HAAAS to have to be a big canon baddie, maybe 80% then 100% x3 he's essentially the DBZ universes Younger Toguro haha.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, it wasn't 'bad'. A 'bad' DBZ film would be Bio-Broly.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, it wasn't 'bad'. A 'bad' DBZ film would be Bio-Broly. However, it wasn't the best DBZ movie I've seen.

Tbh, it'd probably still be in my top 5 DBZ films, with #1 still being Bardock: Father of Goku.

That Bardock one would be #1 on my list as well, followed by the two Cooler movies and so forth.