DBZ: Battle of Gods

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, I would note that in the anime, Goku, in SSJ3 form, was able to fight for a bit with a version of Buu that Gohan could not compete with. That was not the case in the manga. It is possible that this idea, from the anime, was carried over into this movie. This would be a retconn on Toriyama's part...and it would seem he wants to keep the anime stuff consistant.

It could be that Goku applied the same energy-conserving training methodology on the SS3 form during that time-period that he did on SS1 for Cell's tournament.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I argued the same thing before, regarding SS3 Goku's performance against Buu. I doubt Goku was explicitly stronger than Gohan though. Mystic Gohan is simply Gohan's true potential harnessed in his norman form, giving him power on the same scale as a SS3.

It could be that Goku applied the same energy-conserving training methodology on the SS3 form during that time-period that he did on SS1 for Cell's tournament.

I always chalked it up to the idea that SSJ3 Goku was holding back (until he fought that version of Buu) because he wanted the boys to do for themselves because he was supposed to be gone.

So when it was "go-time", he could put up a fight against that version of Buu without being one-shotted. Buu was still obviously superior to both SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan, but the anime painted it like SSJ3 Goku was slightly better than Mystic Gohan against that particular version of Buu.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I thought he meant that Goku was getting amped by the energy of the Earth.

Still, in that very scene, Goku admitted that the power difference was HUGE.

Oh absolutely. Despite using only 70% of his power, Bills was far, far stronger than SSJG Goku. That much was clear.

On another note:

I just saw this SSJG fan-art, and thought it was pretty awesome for a 'close-to-base-level' look:

...Much better than the form was depicted in the film, at least.

Though I still wish they would have went with this type of characterization:

Effing awesome.

The Dragon Ball wiki says that while Bills was only using 70% of his power, SSG Goku was merely using 80% of his. That true, or is Bills stronger than Goku by a mere 10%?

And yeah, still would've preferred that gold-covered SSJ4 appearance to be the actual SSG, as it actually looks kinda "god-like".

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The Dragon Ball wiki says that while Bills was only using 70% of his power, SSG Goku was merely using 80% of his. That true, or is Bills stronger than Goku by a mere 10%?

Imo, Bills is 30%>SSJG Goku.

Goku does admit he was using only 80% of his power. However, he was presumably using full power after that.

That is what I thought.

Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, Bills is 30%>SSJG Goku.

Yes, Bill's was using 70% of his power against SSJG Goku, but that 70% was enough for him to own Goku with casual...laughable...ridiculous ease. This means 70% Bills>>>SSJG Goku, which also means that Bills is far more than 30%> SSJG Goku by proxy.

YouTube video
YouTube video

I miss those old school days. Master Roshi was actually a good character before he was reduced to an old perv. Also, I'd trade those big ass power levels for more intense fights that showcased skill.

English voices for Whis, Bills, and SSJG Goku, brought to you by FUNimation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwIs718L2eU
(skip to 2:22 for the voices.)

so in comparison to the other most powerful characters in dbz, where does bills rank?

Originally posted by john allerdyce
so in comparison to the other most powerful characters in dbz, where does bills rank?

V-Jump outright stated that Bills is: 'the most powerful character in the history of Z'. We saw this statement solidified in the film, when Bills one-shot KO'd SSJ3 Goku, Mystic Gohan, Gotenks, Fat Buu, etc. with casual chops/kicks. We also know that Goku transforming into a SSJG was literally the only hope the Z fighters had to contend with Bills on any level-- implying that not even fusion(ie. Vegito) would have put them in the same ballpark, power-wise... Yet even after reaching the level of "God", Goku was still effortlessly stomped by Bills, despite the fact that he[Bills] was only using a scant 70% of his power.

Furthermore, Whis stated that Bills can 'destroy a galaxy in an instant', just by getting upset:

I don't think any other canon character in the history of Z has ever been confirmed as an insta-galaxy-buster. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Furthermore, Whis stated that Bills can 'destroy a galaxy in an instant', just by getting upset:

I don't think any other canon character in the history of Z has ever been confirmed as an insta-galaxy-buster. /shrug

Well, since Perfect Cell said he could destroy earth many thousands (millions?) of times over, we knew that characters were at least solar-system level busters around the Cell-Games time-frame.

However, the powerjump from star-system buster to galaxy buster is ginormous.

Granted, Goku's base power jumped quite a bit before he obtained the SSJ3 state, but that jump in power, even with the various SSJ state multipliers, is not enough to bridge he gap to galaxy busting.

So, yes, it makes sense that Bills is waaaaaaaaaaay stronger than anything we've seen before.

I can swallow that they become galaxy busters by the time Goku starts to train Uub.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, since Perfect Cell said he could destroy earth many thousands (millions?) of times over, we knew that characters were at least solar-system level busters around the Cell-Games time-frame.

However, the powerjump from star-system buster to galaxy buster is ginormous.

Granted, Goku's base power jumped quite a bit before he obtained the SSJ3 state, but that jump in power, even with the various SSJ state multipliers, is not enough to bridge he gap to galaxy busting.

So, yes, it makes sense that Bills is waaaaaaaaaaay stronger than anything we've seen before.

I can swallow that they become galaxy busters by the time Goku starts to train Uub.

However, our solar system is only about .0032% the size of the milky way galaxy. So theoretically, you'd have to be thousands of times more powerful than a SSJ2 to destroy the galaxy.

It's safe to say that no Z fighter(aside, perhaps, from SSJG Goku) ever possessed anything remotely close to galaxy-busting power.

Whis' claim is currently unable to be substantiated. That translation says galaxy, but another says solar system.

Also, what Cell says means exactly dick in terms of the power he can actually put out. Claims are not feats.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Whis' claim is currently unable to be substantiated. That translation says galaxy, but another says solar system.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, what Cell says means exactly dick in terms of the power he can actually put out. Claims are not feats.

You can kindly **** off with that bullshit. Keep your versus argument bullshit in other threads.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Whis' claim is currently unable to be substantiated. That translation says galaxy, but another says solar system.

In the end it makes little difference to me whether a galaxy or a solar system was referenced-- Bills is still the most powerful being in DBZ by a large margin(second only to Whis, of course.)

Bills is very nice for a villain. I like that. Makes him more understandable than the other villains with god complexes.

Which is not to say that he is a better character than them. But fun in his own way.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You can kindly **** off with that bullshit. Keep your versus argument bullshit in other threads.