Originally posted by cdtm
I can respect that.This is the first time I've heard someone claim they don't like Kikuchi, though. It's nothing to me personally, it's just surprising because the main DBZ forums were full of people treating Kikuchi like he's Beethoven or something.
But I do like some of his work.. I think because DBZ was my first exposure to "raw" anime. I just never went off the deep end into full blown weeaboo country..
Many people here and elsewhere don't like Kikuchi's score. Anyone who claims to is a weeaboo, 'lie dat. 👆
For the most part, its just phucking dull, slow, monotone, repetitive, and BORING.
The Japanese music is absolutely terrible at matching the pacing of the on-screen action. Something that Faulconer's socre actually excelled at.
Just compare Goku turning SSJ3 under Faulconer vs the Jpn track:
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World of difference. Also, the American voice actors were far more hardcore. Sean Schemmel (Goku's actor) screamed so loud and so long that the guy actually fainted before. Trunks' voice actor did too. Whereas the Japanese kiais sound so tame and light in comparison.
Notice how terrible the soundwork is as well, there is absolutely no echo to Goku's screaming in the Japanese video. It makes it much weaker. Seriously, this was some low-rent shit.
You know, I was reading some Dragonball (no Z) recently, and one thing that struck me: Back then, energy attacks were limited. You could only do a few in a battle. If your energy attack didn't work, that was bad. If your big energy attack missed or was blocked twice, you were probably *exhausted*, even if you were Goku.
A lot different than later stuff.
Originally posted by Galan007
The answer to your question was given to us in the film itself:
But what does that "mean"?
"The world" refers to "god mode", right? So does "absorbed the world" mean he siphoned some of the power of god mode for use once the form ended?
Or does it mean he somehow learned to duplicate god mode power in "all" his forms? Kind of like a mystic power up, the way Gohan has SSJ level power in his base form.
Some of the Otaku online claim something about Goku claiming he remembered the feel of god mode, which sounds suspiciously like all of his forms are almost as powerful as god mode now.. Base, SSJ, all of them.
Which would be kind of stupid, imo..
Originally posted by Galan007
Given that most of the noteworthy characters' PLs literally increased billionS of times over during Z, I wouldn't expect them to become fatigued by ki blasts(unless they put a good portion of their energy into said blasts, of course.)
One might think that the power of the blasts would scale up with general power. I.e. sure, you can throw 50 PL blasts till the cows come home, but it's the ones that take 25% of your power in one go that should matter.
But it seems like power reserves and endurance scales up faster than power output. There's a lot more attrition in later fights, and it's much harder to take someone out quickly. The 'take most of your power moves' take increasingly long to charge up (like Frieza's deathball), and it's arguably that most characters don't have moves like that.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
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Having Goku's English voice so firmly implemented in my mind makes me just hate the Japanese voice. So. Phucking. Terrible.
Originally posted by cdtm
But what does that "mean"?"The world" refers to "god mode", right? So does "absorbed the world" mean he siphoned some of the power of god mode for use once the form ended?
Or does it mean he somehow learned to duplicate god mode power in "all" his forms? Kind of like a mystic power up, the way Gohan has SSJ level power in his base form.
Originally posted by Astner
No, it means that he has adapted to its power to some degree.
So basically, there's god mode, and there's all his other modes with "almost" god power.
That's different. Normally, every power up is a drastic leap in power, but with this adaptation, it's more like a bunny hop now.. Kind of takes away from his shiny new form, if he could stick to any mode and do almost as well..
Originally posted by cdtmNow that Goku has tapped into the reservoir of 'God-power', he is free to continue doing so without any external aid, like he initially required. This level of power is part of his standard powerset now-- not just a one-time amp.
But what does that "mean"?
That's what it means. 🙂
Originally posted by cdtm
Best explanation I could find online, is something about Goku remembering the feel of godly ki, and that's why his base and normal SSJ forms could fight with Bills?Looking at the fan subs, Bills and Goku do refer to god mode as a "world", and Bills later says he absorbed the "world" into himself while they were fighting.. So I guess unlike SSJ3, god mode has a reserve tank of sorts, so he's not entirely helpless when the form reaches its time limit?
It's either that, or goku learning the feel of godly ki effectively gives him a Gohan like mystic power up, which would make the SSJ modes nothing more then cosmetic changes..
In Human Form, Goku is actually the weakest in SS3, only when he is dead is he truley able to control his energy output..
In this movie, it shows it ugly face again as he cannot scratch Bill, Then and only then After Bill tells Goku that he has been fighting him without being God because he accepted the realm of the Gods, he was truly reborn
SSJ will and always be the most powerful form of Goku and the Saijen Race.
Originally posted by cdtm
But what does that "mean"?"The world" refers to "god mode", right? So does "absorbed the world" mean he siphoned some of the power of god mode for use once the form ended?
Or does it mean he somehow learned to duplicate god mode power in "all" his forms? Kind of like a mystic power up, the way Gohan has SSJ level power in his base form.
Some of the Otaku online claim something about Goku claiming he remembered the feel of god mode, which sounds suspiciously like all of his forms are almost as powerful as god mode now.. Base, SSJ, all of them.
Which would be kind of stupid, imo..
Not stupid, Extremely smart as Bill Called Goku, Extremely smart..
Originally posted by Supra
In Human Form, Goku is actually the weakest in SS3, only when he is dead is he truley able to control his energy output..In this movie, it shows it ugly face again as he cannot scratch Bill, Then and only then After Bill tells Goku that he has been fighting him without being God because he accepted the realm of the Gods, he was truly reborn
SSJ will and always be the most powerful form of Goku and the Saijen Race.
So SSJ God form was a stepping stone form, with the end result being his "standard" SSJ form taking its place as his most powerful form during his "rebirth"? When he powers up for a fight, we won't see his new red haired look, but his classic blonde SSJ look?
I can get behind ditching red haired god mode over SSJ mode, if that's the case. I always liked the look of standard SSJ, over the other forms...
Although, Goku did briefly transform back into "god form" to absorb Bills ki ball....
Do you think Vegeta, or any of the other Saiyans, will be able to make the same transition Goku made? (For that matter, is Geta even capable of using the red haired god form?)
I imagine like in the next movie Bills goes up against Vegeta again or something and actually Vegeta does better but still falls, and Bills says something like "Your pride almost rivals mine, but power wise you're still 5 millenias too soon" and casts him aside and then later on Goku and Bills are about to go at it and you just hear "5 millenia too soon huh? I'd say I closed the gap a bit faster than that *smirk*" and it's just Vegeta in SSG and he delivers a blow to Bills and sends him flying an Goku's just shocked an then Vegeta's like "My pride rivals yours? NO, IT FAR SURPASSES IT! CAUSE I'M THE PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS!!! *massive power flareup* " an he's just all calm like "Heh, Kakarot go deal with Whis, I'm going to put this 'God' in his place." And Goku's just like "Wow Vegeta you never cease to amaze me!" an inside he's thinking "Woah...I'd say he's generating more power than even I did the first time I attained that form... Vegeta... you're truly something." and then he dashes off to face Whis while Vegeta deals with Bills 😄
Originally posted by cdtm
So SSJ God form was a stepping stone form, with the end result being his "standard" SSJ form taking its place as his most powerful form during his "rebirth"? When he powers up for a fight, we won't see his new red haired look, but his classic blonde SSJ look?I can get behind ditching red haired god mode over SSJ mode, if that's the case. I always liked the look of standard SSJ, over the other forms...
Although, Goku did briefly transform back into "god form" to absorb Bills ki ball....
Do you think Vegeta, or any of the other Saiyans, will be able to make the same transition Goku made? (For that matter, is Geta even capable of using the red haired god form?)
Just so we are on the same page did you see the movie?
