Beta Ray Bill vs Doomsday

Originally posted by DTM
Doomsdays reflexes were so fast that he managed to gut Superman in mid-atmosphere, while Superman was trying to fly him off planet (something he can do in a matter of seconds). His speed and reaction time is Vastly moreso than Hulk, which is why he would beat Banner much more often than not.

Gladiator tried and failed.

Originally posted by Delta1938

I'm not surprised you agreed with such a failed argument.

By this point we've seen Superman have like far greater than nanosecond time perceptions and has done tasks that would take at least hours in seconds, showing his ability to fight at super speed. Yet Doomsday was still able to go blow-for-blow with him, thus showing Doomsday's combat speed.

We've seen gladiator go 100 times the speed of light yet show the reflexes to resist a bfr and beat him. You can't have it both ways. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk resisted a bfr off the planet as well. 😂

Gladiator tried and failed.

Gladiator was flying slowly. It was at least several seconds before Hulk hit him.
In the case of Superman we don't quite know. IMO, it's not wise to use that feat as a reaction feat. DD has so many others though.

this is pretty funny stuff. say you think bill wins, whatever. but.....seriously--superman faced dd--REPEATEDLY. and EVERY TIME they fought he was impressed by dd's speed. he even EXPECTED it and couldn't overcome it, at least not noticeably. dd was as fast in combat as superman. it's not really that hard.....what's more--in the context of that story, superman fought harder against dd than he fought against anyone. he literally gave it ALL HE HAD. ie--held nothing back. and STILL dd matched his speed. the intention could not be any clearer--dd was fast. extremely, superman-esque, fast. denying it is simply anti-fanboyism at its worst, and most trollish.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are attempting to have it both ways.

I'm not; you're just not separating travel and reflexes. Doomsday has fast reflexes, and decent travel speed. Superman has fast reflexes and excellent travel speed.

Just because he can use both at the same time doesn't mean Doomsday only using one makes him slower in a fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is pretty funny stuff. say you think bill wins, whatever. but.....seriously--superman faced dd--REPEATEDLY. and EVERY TIME they fought he was impressed by dd's speed. he even EXPECTED it and couldn't overcome it, at least not noticeably. dd was as fast in combat as superman. it's not really that hard.....what's more--in the context of that story, superman fought harder against dd than he fought against anyone. he literally gave it ALL HE HAD. ie--held nothing back. and STILL dd matched his speed. the intention could not be any clearer--dd was fast. extremely, superman-esque, fast. denying it is simply anti-fanboyism at its worst, and most trollish.

It's not even a matter of Superman being impressed with Doomsday, in the way some people are impressed by Hulk because he moves fast for his size. No, Superman was actually having major problems keeping up with Doomsday's battle speed:

That's a scan that can never be disputed.

👆

it indeed can't be disputed--at least not by anyone with even the most rudimentary reading comprehension skills.....which, unfortunately, leaves it open to interpretation to a couple around these parts....

The most damning thing of all, imo, is that Doomsday isn't like most comic characters. He was specifically designed to kill Superman. That's the entire point of the character. Speed was always going to be an aspect of that to make it believable.

yep.....it's like people simply see him as a typical brick. he was also intended to be a lot more than that.

Originally posted by h1a8
Gladiator was flying slowly. It was at least several seconds before Hulk hit him.
In the case of Superman we don't quite know. IMO, it's not wise to use that feat as a reaction feat. DD has so many others though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not; you're just not separating travel and reflexes. Doomsday has fast reflexes, and decent travel speed. Superman has fast reflexes and excellent travel speed.

Just because he can use both at the same time doesn't mean Doomsday only using one makes him slower in a fight.

If you think that's my logic, then you're not reading my posts properly. shrug

It isn't "if Hulk can't have it, nobody can".

Originally posted by -Pr-
If you think that's my logic, then you're not reading my posts properly. shrug

It isn't "if Hulk can't have it, nobody can".

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Hulk has shown the battle reflexes to beat Gladiator in a fight then the same applies to Superman. Superman's best reflex feats aren't in their fight but most assume he's fast enough to hang despite this. Same should apply to the Hulk.

Your logic is flawed. Severely so.

Not that me saying that is going to change anything, though.

if only that were the case. 😂

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your logic is flawed. Severely so.

Not that me saying that is going to change anything, though.

DD wins. He's too strong, fast and durable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's the same thing. Both the Gladiator's best feats along with Superman's did not happen against Doomsday or Hulk so why does DD just get the benefit of the doubt.

Because it isn't the same thing, no matter how much you wish it was.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because it isn't the same thing, no matter how much you wish it was.

That hulk vs gladiator is the biggest lie or missrepresentation of a fight presented on comic forums.

1) This is not regular hulk, IIRC is Banerless Hulk
2) The SITE of the fight came into play or plot since even before the fight started.
3) Because of this Gladiator started the fight with a handicap, that later on at the end of the fight will be more noticeable.

All this context, when taken into account, change a lot the perception of this particular fight.

This iswhat I remember from the top of my head.

Ill check the issue later on.

This is a lot like sentry vs wwh, sentry allowing all those free punches to hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then explain to me why it is different.

Because Doomsday has shown consistent, herald level reflex speed across many of his appearances.