Strength wise, these two could rock out for a bit, but eventually DD will start to gain on Bill due to his unrelenting nature. Bills best hope is to tank DD's best shots until the opportunity arises that he is able to take the fight out into space. If Bill can do this, the fight is his, if not, and he remains in DD's element, he eventually loses.
Originally posted by -Pr-I don't need scans I just asked for appearances. Most of these bricks always hit their opponents so I just wanted to know what the difference is here.
You've asked that question before, and It's been answered before. I'm not taking time out of my day to go dig up scans just so you can make more excuses.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't need scans I just asked for appearances. Most of these bricks always hit their opponents so I just wanted to know what the difference is here.
The difference is how he did it, what the characters were saying, what the writer was trying to show.
For example, DD was about 100 or more feet away from the JL while they were pouring it on. As soon as they finished they freed his other arm. That instant he travel that distance so fast that he manage to hit all 5 members simultaneously, including Superman, before they all can react. All while Superman himself complaining of his speed and that he couldn't react.
Guy gardner, a character who has traveled faster than light, reacted and blocked energy beams, etc. said he couldn't see DD move.
Comments made that DD is faster than flash (not as fast as flash but phucking faster). You may call hyperbole, but it's writer's intent buddy.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That hulk vs gladiator is the biggest lie or missrepresentation of a fight presented on comic forums.1) This is not regular hulk, IIRC is Banerless Hulk
2) The SITE of the fight came into play or plot since even before the fight started.
3) Because of this Gladiator started the fight with a handicap, that later on at the end of the fight will be more noticeable.All this context, when taken into account, change a lot the perception of this particular fight.
This iswhat I remember from the top of my head.
Ill check the issue later on.
This is a lot like sentry vs wwh, sentry allowing all those free punches to hulk.
You dont know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by carver9
You dont know what you are talking about.
Didn't they started fighting in a radiated zone close to the plant?
What I don't recall is IF the zone was already irradiated or not.
But I do know what I am talking about.
Banner less Hulk? CHECK
Radioactive plant battle ground? CHECK
The only one I am not sure is the Handicap for Gladiator at the beginning of the fight, but at the middle of it? Sure he is already fighting at disadvantage with the reactor going critical.
The plant played a big part on the defeat of Gladiator, by the time they re-entered the atmosphere there was already a leak on the reactor.
Read it again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't need scans I just asked for appearances. Most of these bricks always hit their opponents so I just wanted to know what the difference is here.
Because in several arcs it was implicitly shown that he had speed. It was outright stated that he had superspeed.
He was designed with it from the ground up.
Hulk fighting Gladiator doesnt mean Hulk has superspeed any more thsan Grundy who can fight Superman. Fighting a super fast, super brick doesnt mean you also have to have to be super fast to do so, thats NOT why most of us support Doomsday for having super speed. That reason is because they Mention It Many Times in his initial series of appearances, they made a point to show and tell that DD has super speed, fast enough to catch Superman, Wonder Woman, etc off guard, time and again. When Hulk fights Gladiator, they dont mention (or even hint) that Hulk was moving at super speed, when Doomsday fights, They Do.
Originally posted by -Pr-I think he isn't slow but hasn't demonstrated superspeed in the sense that Superman has. I do think that in most fights in comics guys just hit each other and the bricks tend to have the advantage because it sells better.
Because in several arcs it was implicitly shown that he had speed. It was outright stated that he had superspeed.He was designed with it from the ground up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think he isn't slow but hasn't demonstrated superspeed in the sense that Superman has. I do think that in most fights in comics guys just hit each other and the bricks tend to have the advantage because it sells better.
Yes, comics are designed to show hard hits.
Doomsday has still shown superspeed reactions.
Originally posted by h1a8So you think that DD is faster than the flash ? I disagree entirely but hey go nuts. The writer also said the reason DD was able to do what he did was due to him being an unknown threat coming out of nowhere catching them off guard.
The difference is how he did it, what the characters were saying, what the writer was trying to show.For example, DD was about 100 or more feet away from the JL while they were pouring it on. As soon as they finished they freed his other arm. That instant he travel that distance so fast that he manage to hit all 5 members simultaneously, including Superman, before they all can react. All while Superman himself complaining of his speed and that he couldn't react.
Guy gardner, a character who has traveled faster than light, reacted and blocked energy beams, etc. said he couldn't see DD move.
Comments made that DD is faster than flash (not as fast as flash but phucking faster). You may call hyperbole, but it's writer's intent buddy.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Didn't they started fighting in a radiated zone close to the plant?What I don't recall is IF the zone was already irradiated or not.
But I do know what I am talking about.
Banner less Hulk? CHECK
Radioactive plant battle ground? CHECK
The only one I am not sure is the Handicap for Gladiator at the beginning of the fight, but at the middle of it? Sure he is already fighting at disadvantage with the reactor going critical.The plant played a big part on the defeat of Gladiator, by the time they re-entered the atmosphere there was already a leak on the reactor.
Read it again.
Nah from the onset of the match, Gladiator was fine, but then the Hulk gained momentum on him. This is something that i see happening nearly every time if they fought again. Gladiator should have BFR'd him, because a slug it out with the Hulk won't work in his favor.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Didn't they started fighting in a radiated zone close to the plant?What I don't recall is IF the zone was already irradiated or not.
But I do know what I am talking about.
Banner less Hulk? CHECK
Radioactive plant battle ground? CHECK
The only one I am not sure is the Handicap for Gladiator at the beginning of the fight, but at the middle of it? Sure he is already fighting at disadvantage with the reactor going critical.The plant played a big part on the defeat of Gladiator, by the time they re-entered the atmosphere there was already a leak on the reactor.
Read it again.
The radioactive plant didn't happen until the end of the fight.
That Hulk was tremendously weakened. He was dying.
Originally posted by Stoic
Nah from the onset of the match, Gladiator was fine, but then the Hulk gained momentum on him. This is something that i see happening nearly every time if they fought again. Gladiator should have BFR'd him, because a slug it out with the Hulk won't work in his favor.
Hope you are not trying to suggest that the plant had nothing to do with Glads defeat. Because is plain obvious, the writer had to justify how Hulk the Hulk win, first by choosing the site, and then by Hulk knowing that Glads is affected by certain type of radiation, that the plant happened to have.
As to Glads slugging it out with Hulk, He would come out on top, IF NOT for that radiation weakening him.
Originally posted by carver9
The radioactive plant didn't happen until the end of the fight.That Hulk was tremendously weakened. He was dying.
Seriously dude, read the comic, page 26 the reactor goes critical as soon as they hit the earth. Here Glads starts getting weaker.
Banner less Hulk reaches peak but with the side effect of dying slowly, FYI. Um, maybe is because there is no banner to control his critical mass, like lets say WWH or WBH.
Originally posted by DTM
Hulk fighting Gladiator doesnt mean Hulk has superspeed any more thsan Grundy who can fight Superman. Fighting a super fast, super brick doesnt mean you also have to have to be super fast to do so, thats NOT why most of us support Doomsday for having super speed. That reason is because they Mention It Many Times in his initial series of appearances, they made a point to show and tell that DD has super speed, fast enough to catch Superman, Wonder Woman, etc off guard, time and again. When Hulk fights Gladiator, they dont mention (or even hint) that Hulk was moving at super speed, when Doomsday fights, They Do.
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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Seriously dude, read the comic, page 26 the reactor goes critical as soon as they hit the earth. Here Glads starts getting weaker.Banner less Hulk reaches peak but with the side effect of dying slowly, FYI. Um, maybe is because there is no banner to control his critical mass, like lets say WWH or WBH.
Sigh...please tell me you are playing. The fight was done when Hulk slammed Gladiator into the reactor. Prove anything otherwise.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator01Annual1997.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator06.jpg
Show me.
Also, lol...again, this version of Hulk was weakened. Hell, Deadpool beat him with a freaking telephone pole.
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...please tell me you are playing. The fight was done when Hulk slammed Gladiator into the reactor. Prove anything otherwise.http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator01Annual1997.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator06.jpgShow me.
Also, lol...again, this version of Hulk was weakened. Hell, Deadpool beat him with a freaking telephone pole.
wow carver...... never would have thunk it. 👆
Thank you very much for posting the scans, you just saved me the work of looking for them.
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...please tell me you are playing. The fight was done when Hulk slammed Gladiator into the reactor. Prove anything otherwise.Show me.
Also, lol...again, this version of Hulk was weakened. Hell, Deadpool beat him with a freaking telephone pole.
Lets see
Scan # 1 Fight is fine, Gladiator is fine as He is not exposed to "certain radiation"
Scan # 2 Fight is fine, Gladiator is fine as He is not exposed to "certain radiation"
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator02.jpg
Scan # 3 Fight is fine, Gladiator is fine as He is not exposed to "certain radiation"
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator03.jpg
Scan # 4 Check this one out carefully, at the middle of the scan there is that little thing going "Klang, Klang"
The impact took the wind out of both, So now it starts getting interesting because BOTH got up at the SAME TIME, but there is this thing going "Klang, Klang", which means that Gladiator is already being exposed to "certain radiation" and what happens?
He can make a hole in Hulk's chest but not on his palm? Maybe someone is getting weaker by a reactor going critical nearby. Um, Hulk actually feeds on this thing, not sure if He even stated in this same comic that He is all about radiation. I think is part of the plot for a reason. Otherwise why the writer will bother to tell me that they are fighting on a radiated zone, or that a reactor is going critical? just because?
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator04.jpg
The rest is a weakened Gladiator.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator06.jpg
What else you need?
And about Deadpool, The longer Hulk is separated from banner the less stable he becomes, so you go figure that one out.
