Skynet vs. The Matrix

Originally posted by Ascendancy
The premise is nukes don't wipe out the machines because they didn't in the film. The film discusses that we nuke them and it did almost nothing, then we launched enough to cause a nuclear winter in hopes of shutting the machines down. The world's arsenal was turned against the machines to negligible effects in the end.

Humanity was weak in the film because the machines weakened them. It's simple: the machines won in the first war, and since have recreated humanity so to speak a number of times. The machines in many ways proved superior to humanity. Neo was literally the only one who could stand directly against them in the real world.

Skynet, on the other hand, was defeated time after time regardless of how the timelines shifted. They were not capable of doing to humanity what the machines in the Matrix accomplished.

Fair enough. Can you find a vid or link the script that specifically claims humanity launched an all out nuclear war against the Matrix/machines? Cos we clearly see the squids get taken down in droves by just am EMP blast. A actual nuke would do far more. Though that logic is really no different than saying: "Conan (1982) was never defeated by a sword, so any opponent he's matched against with a sword can't defeat him."

That's pretty linear logic. Matrix beat humanity, ergo Matrix beats Skynet. When it seems humanity did it's fair share of damaging itself when trying to wipe out the machines.

Skynet brought humanity to near extinction as well, Kyle mentions this in the first film, iirc, it's the scene where he and Sarah are taking shelter under some bridge.

This is hilarious now Robbie is still arguing despite nukes themselves being ineffective. Just shut up troll. You have been annihilated and embarrassed exposing yourself as a girlie fanboy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough. Can you find a vid or link the script that specifically claims humanity launched an all out nuclear war against the Matrix/machines? Cos we clearly see the squids get taken down in droves by just am EMP blast. A actual nuke would do far more. Though that logic is really no different than saying: "Conan (1982) was never defeated by a sword, so any opponent he's matched against with a sword can't defeat him."

That's pretty linear logic. Matrix beat humanity, ergo Matrix beats Skynet. When it seems humanity did it's fair share of damaging itself when trying to wipe out the machines.

Skynet brought humanity to near extinction as well, Kyle mentions this in the first film, iirc, it's the scene where he and Sarah are taking shelter under some bridge.

LOL your argument is beyond idiotic. If we are arguing which humans put up the better fight, I'd say the ones who had EMPs, floating ships, and Mechs were far better than the ones who only had automatic weapons. And nukes didn't work on the machines, so they won't here. Unless you're willing to argue that it will wipe out Skynet as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is hilarious now Robbie is still arguing despite nukes themselves being ineffective. Just shut up troll. You have been annihilated and embarrassed exposing yourself as a girlie fanboy.

Proof that nukes are ineffective? Just an EMP blast takes them out no problem.

Originally posted by Lestov16
LOL your argument is beyond idiotic. If we are arguing which humans put up the better fight, I'd say the ones who had EMPs, floating ships, and Mechs were far better than the ones who only had automatic weapons. And nukes didn't work on the machines, so they won't here. Unless you're willing to argue that it will wipe out Skynet as well.

LoL, I see what your problem is(besides massive lingering butthurt over old shit), you've not seen or don't recall the Terminator films. There's energy based weapons in the future, we see them in the flashbacks in T1.

Proof that nukes don't work on the machines? Because we for certain know that a single EMP can take out waves of them.

Originally posted by Robtard
Proof that nukes are ineffective?

Proof that they are going to bring humanity's entire nuclear arsenal to Zion with them? Will that nuclear arsenal even exist in the very far future where Earth has been conquered?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Proof that they are going to bring humanity's entire nuclear arsenal to Zion with them? Will that nuclear arsenal even exist in the very far future where Earth has been conquered?

You need to calm down; stop trying to be so bellicose with every post.

Also, this fight can't happen if Skynet has to attack Zion first. Zion is buried miles underground and as far as I know, Skynet doesn't make massive drilling platforms.

So the only aspect that's left is this:

Originally posted by FrothByte
And just to make it more interesting, I wonder what would happen if aliens decided to invade Earth at this exact moment? Let's say the aliens from War of the Worlds. Would the Skynet and Matrix be able to stop an invasion?

Aliens dominate until they get affected by a human virus. If that angle is out, they destroy Skynet and The Matrix armies with impunity.

Originally posted by FrothByte
invade the domain controlled by the Matrix, and attacks Zion with every robotic force he has (that we've seen through all 4 terminator movies).

The Matrix retaliates by sending all of it's sentinels against Sky.net.

If Skynet try to drill their way to Zion, picking them off will be like shooting fish in a barrel, and drilling is pretty much the only way to get there.

"Fight can't happen"=Matrix wins

Originally posted by Lestov16
If Skynet try to drill their way to Zion, picking them off will be like shooting fish in a barrel, and drilling is pretty much the only way to get there.

"Fight can't happen"=Matrix wins

There's nothing to suggest that Skynet has massive drilling machines.

Fight can't happen means the fight can't happen. Not "the thread was made with a stipulation that one opponent can't fulfill so I get pick my favorite to win."

Aliens defeat both machine factions, unless the virus factor is in.

No the fight happens. It's "Terminators fail to infiltrate Zion, so machines deploy every sentinel to the surface for revenge for trying". 😆 You are so butthurt you are trying to invalidate the thread itself because your fav lost here. Grow up child.

Originally posted by Lestov16
No the fight happens. It's "Terminators fail to infiltrate Zion, so machines deploy every sentinel to the surface for revenge for trying". 😆 You are so butthurt you are trying to invalidate the thread itself because your fav lost here. Grow up child.

You really need to read the OP, besides stop being a butthurt clown trying to pick a fight with each post.

The OP, which I also initially failed to see the inherent flaw:

Originally posted by FrothByte
Skynet however learns that the Matrix houses a human farm called Zion and Skynet perceives such a huge gathering of humans as a threat to itself. So Skynet decides to break the truce, invade the domain controlled by the Matrix, and attacks Zion with every robotic force he has (that we've seen through all 4 terminator movies).

Tell me, how does Skynet attack a city that's buried miles underground and it took massive drilling machines to reach?

If you want to say "Skynet has massive drilling machines", then it sends them down with a few nukes. Game over for Zion and game over for any Squids in the area, which according to the OP could be all of them.

Meh. When I made the OP, I was considering that it was just a topic made in a movie versus forum. I had no idea it would be scrutinized and grilled like a bill of law. Next time I'll keep it simple and just say "Skynet and Matrix go to war with each other. Who wins". But oh well, what's done is done. Carry on.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Meh. When I made the OP, I was considering that it was just a topic made in a movie versus forum. I had no idea it would be scrutinized and grilled like a bill of law. Next time I'll keep it simple and just say "Skynet and Matrix go to war with each other. Who wins". But oh well, what's done is done. Carry on.

Oversights happen, if you want to make a mild change so the fight can happen(like the ruling on time travel) such as the fight not happening in Zion; but on the surface instead or Skynet allowed drilling machines, that's not a problem. Your thread, your call.

Nukes can explode above or below ground, makes little different to me.

Nah, far too many posts now to make changes. Feel free to dissect the stipulations of the match. It makes the match more interesting in a way.

Originally posted by Robtard
Proof that nukes are ineffective? Just an EMP blast takes them out no problem.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If the humans try nukes and it fails then we see it doesn't work. You are really pushing hard for the Terminators not to have to face the Sentinels. it's pretty obvious you are biased. Matrix stomps anyway you want to argue. That's the best part. Human resistance from T films>>>Terminators.

ie "If Conan never lost to a swordsman, he can't lose to a swordsman." This is your clown tactics logic.

That aside, you're still ignoring that EMPs work on the squids. Wonder why that is.

Except of course I asked the OP to make this fight happen. So you're lying again. Stop lying, okay?

Originally posted by Robtard
ie "If Conan never lost to a swordsman, he can't lose to a swordsman." This is your clown tactics logic.

That aside, you're still ignoring that EMPs work on the squids. Wonder why that is.

Except of course I asked the OP to make this fight happen. So you're lying again. Stop lying, okay?

EMP's can work but that didn't do Zion any good. Squids far outnumber and are greater than the Terminators. Matrix stomps both here and at the box office.

if the Terminators manage to sneak a TX in maybe she could hack them all and spam them with a virus

Originally posted by Lestov16
if the Terminators manage to sneak a TX in maybe she could hack them all and spam them with a virus

She uploads the Independence Day virus. Game over, game over man.