Skynet vs. The Matrix

Rob, normally you do well in your little battles with Quan, but he has utterly destroyed you in this thread in every way possible. Every argument you have posted has been flawed and empty, and you have failed to grasp the basic premises that exist for this vs battle. Please just take a day and exit this thread to get it together.

I definitely wouldn't say that the T-models have superior targeting. They always had quite a time taking down humans, who aren't amazingly quick. Well, minus the fish in a barrel shootout in the police station. The squidies could literally rip them to pieces and move on rather quickly. Agreed that T-1000s and T-Xs would be more of a challenge, but they are far more limited in number, and only the T-X was designed to take on other machines.

The EMP argument really doesn't stand. Neither the machines nor the Matrix machines used them, so to think they would suddenly employ them is a stretch. They were used against the squiddies, but never by the Matrix faction of machines themselves. When taking down human vehicles we see that they went close range or used explosives.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I was considering the nuke option of Skynet and thought that would give them the edge, but then I thought: Don't us humans have nukes too? And yet the Matrix was able to dominate the human race, meaning they must have some way to protect or fight against nukes.

As shown in the Animatrix, humanity did launch their nukes against the Machines. They weren't particularly effective.

Originally posted by Robtard
The hell are you on about? Watch the Terminator films again, okay. I'm talking about Skynet in the future. Also, the US would have had thousands of nukes by the time Skynet went sentient in the past. But that's another argument.

LoL, if you know even the basics of the Terminator franchise, you'd know that Skynet powers its units with nuclear fuel cells. Did you even watch T3 and Salvation? Seems you didn't. Why am I wasting my time with your antics.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
As shown in the Animatrix, humanity did launch their nukes against the Machines. They weren't particularly effective.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Rob, normally you do well in your little battles with Quan, but he has utterly destroyed you in this thread in every way possible. Every argument you have posted has been flawed and empty, and you have failed to grasp the basic premises that exist for this vs battle. Please just take a day and exit this thread to get it together.

I definitely wouldn't say that the T-models have superior targeting. They always had quite a time taking down humans, who aren't amazingly quick. Well, minus the fish in a barrel shootout in the police station. The squidies could literally rip them to pieces and move on rather quickly. Agreed that T-1000s and T-Xs would be more of a challenge, but they are far more limited in number, and only the T-X was designed to take on other machines.

The EMP argument really doesn't stand. Neither the machines nor the Matrix machines used them, so to think they would suddenly employ them is a stretch. They were used against the squiddies, but never by the Matrix faction of machines themselves. When taking down human vehicles we see that they went close range or used explosives.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Rob, normally you do well in your little battles with Quan, but he has utterly destroyed you in this thread in every way possible. Every argument you have posted has been flawed and empty, and you have failed to grasp the basic premises that exist for this vs battle. Please just take a day and exit this thread to get it together.

I definitely wouldn't say that the T-models have superior targeting. They always had quite a time taking down humans, who aren't amazingly quick. Well, minus the fish in a barrel shootout in the police station. The squidies could literally rip them to pieces and move on rather quickly. Agreed that T-1000s and T-Xs would be more of a challenge, but they are far more limited in number, and only the T-X was designed to take on other machines.

The EMP argument really doesn't stand. Neither the machines nor the Matrix machines used them, so to think they would suddenly employ them is a stretch. They were used against the squiddies, but never by the Matrix faction of machines themselves. When taking down human vehicles we see that they went close range or used explosives.

LoL. Quanchi hasn't really had an original post in here, he's copying Frostbyte's and others sentiments, he's basically just trolling with his antics "you changed sides", "fanboy" etc post. Did you just skim through the thread?

I wasn't the one who mentioned "superior targeting".

Skynet has employed nukes, ie what started "Judgement Day". Nukes set off an EMP when they detonate, besides the heat/blast. The T-Units are powered by nuclear power cells and when they explode, they set off a very nuclear like mushroom cloud (see T3 and Salvation). Skynet is also a "learning computer", it's effectively sentient and adapts. Ignoring all this, would be silly.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. Quanchi hasn't really had an original post in here, he's copying Frostbyte's and others sentiments, he's basically just trolling with his antics "you changed sides", "fanboy" etc post. Did you just skim through the thread?

I wasn't the one who mentioned "superior targeting".

Skynet has employed nukes, ie what started "Judgement Day". Nukes set off an EMP when they detonate, besides the heat/blast. The T-Units are powered by nuclear power cells and when they explode, they set off a very nuclear like mushroom cloud (see T3 and Salvation). Skynet is also a "learning computer", it's effectively sentient and adapts. Ignoring all this, would be silly.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. Quanchi hasn't really had an original post in here, he's copying Frostbyte's and others sentiments, he's basically just trolling with his antics "you changed sides", "fanboy" etc post. Did you just skim through the thread?

I wasn't the one who mentioned "superior targeting".

Skynet has employed nukes, ie what started "Judgement Day". Nukes set off an EMP when they detonate, besides the heat/blast. The T-Units are powered by nuclear power cells and when they explode, they set off a very nuclear like mushroom cloud (see T3 and Salvation). Skynet is also a "learning computer", it's effectively sentient and adapts. Ignoring all this, would be silly.

Kind of hard to activate a power cell when a laser has decapitated you in less than a millisecond.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Kind of hard to activate a power cell when a laser has decapitated you in less than a millisecond.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Every argument you have posted has been flawed and empty, and you have failed to grasp the basic premises that exist for this vs battle. Please just take a day and exit this thread to get it together.

^ can be applied to everything Robtard and Sadako post

Originally posted by Lestov16
^ can be applied to everything Robtard and Sadako post

They hatin' hard 😎

Originally posted by Lestov16
They hatin' hard 😎

They don't want to shame themselves more than they have

Originally posted by quanchi112
Another poster called it. I destroyed you. he told you to take a few days off. I profiled this comment so you can always remember this day. Only you would argue T's win by the fight not taking place. Time travel, lol.

Calm down.

Originally posted by Lestov16
^ can be applied to everything Robtard and Sadako post

Butthurt is still that heavy with you, eh? Damn.

Originally posted by Robtard
Calm down.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. Quanchi hasn't really had an original post in here, he's copying Frostbyte's and others sentiments, he's basically just trolling with his antics "you changed sides", "fanboy" etc post. Did you just skim through the thread?

I wasn't the one who mentioned "superior targeting".

Skynet has employed nukes, ie what started "Judgement Day". Nukes set off an EMP when they detonate, besides the heat/blast. The T-Units are powered by nuclear power cells and when they explode, they set off a very nuclear like mushroom cloud (see T3 and Salvation). Skynet is also a "learning computer", it's effectively sentient and adapts. Ignoring all this, would be silly.

As mentioned above, the nukes that humans launched against the machines did almost nothing except scorch the sky.

Secondly, those power cells only explode when directly damaged and allowed to go critical or when the cell is intentionally overloaded. Did you see Terminators exploding left and right during any of the war zone scenes? Did Arnie explode when he was crushed in the press or lowered into molten metal?

As for being a learning computer, great; Skynet still never defeated humanity. The machines in the Matrix have literally reduced the sum of the human population to fewer than 100 individuals on multiple occasions, excluding those kept alive as batteries during any times of re-population. As the father said, they had become "exceedingly efficient" at wiping out almost the entirety of the human race.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
As mentioned above, the nukes that humans launched against the machines did almost nothing except scorch the sky.

Secondly, those power cells only explode when directly damaged and allowed to go critical or when the cell is intentionally overloaded. Did you see Terminators exploding left and right during any of the war zone scenes? Did Arnie explode when he was crushed in the press or lowered into molten metal?

As for being a learning computer, great; Skynet still never defeated humanity. The machines in the Matrix have literally reduced the sum of the human population to fewer than 100 individuals on multiple occasions, excluding those kept alive as batteries during any times of re-population. As the father said, they had become "exceedingly efficient" at wiping out almost the entirety of the human race.

So the premise is the squids are nuke proof (heat etc), but an emp can take them out, which coincidentally nukes set off as well? Seems kinda silly, no? Also pretty sure the premise was that humanity darkened out the sun via some manner of pollution and this in turn was destructive to them as well. Though I've not seen the film in some time and would have to check to be 100% certain.

We don't see Arnold do a lot, doesn't mean it's out of his realm if the potential is there. Same with Skynet and its access to the United States nuclear arsenal. Just because it only did it once, doesn't mean it can't again. We even see it's capable of building large amounts of nuclear devices.

If the premise is "Skynet can't win since it didn't in the film", then pretty much all villains can't win in a Vs match, cos it's their lot to lose in films.

Humanity in The Matrix was seemingly a lot less capable than humanity in the Terminator franchise. Zion's defenses were laughable, a small amount of mini-mechs armed with machine guns and their operators being fully exposed, a few rocket teams and a few ships armed with apparently one EMP each.

Originally posted by Robtard
So the premise is the squids are nuke proof (heat etc), but an emp can take them out, which coincidentally nukes set off as well? Seems kinda silly, no? Also pretty sure the premise was that humanity darkened out the sun via some manner of pollution and this in turn was destructive to them as well. Though I've not seen the film in some time and would have to check to be 100% certain.

We don't see Arnold do a lot, doesn't mean it's out of his realm if the potential is there. Same with Skynet and its access to the United States nuclear arsenal. Just because it only did it once, doesn't mean it can't again. We even see it's capable of building large amounts of nuclear devices.

If the premise is "Skynet can't win since it didn't in the film", then pretty much all villains can't win in a Vs match, cos it's their lot to lose in films.

Humanity in The Matrix was seemingly a lot less capable than humanity in the Terminator franchise. Zion's defenses were laughable, a small amount of mini-mechs armed with machine guns and their operators being fully exposed, a few rocket teams and a few ships armed with apparently one EMP each.

The premise is nukes don't wipe out the machines because they didn't in the film. The film discusses that we nuke them and it did almost nothing, then we launched enough to cause a nuclear winter in hopes of shutting the machines down. The world's arsenal was turned against the machines to negligible effects in the end.

Humanity was weak in the film because the machines weakened them. It's simple: the machines won in the first war, and since have recreated humanity so to speak a number of times. The machines in many ways proved superior to humanity. Neo was literally the only one who could stand directly against them in the real world.

Skynet, on the other hand, was defeated time after time regardless of how the timelines shifted. They were not capable of doing to humanity what the machines in the Matrix accomplished.