Skynet vs. The Matrix

Originally posted by Robtard
It was towards his open-mindedness and willingness to listen.

/derp

This is actually a decent match up, so I'm just going to ignore your clowning in this one, as to not derail it and reply to others that actually want to have a discussion. No hard feelings.

Matrix wins. Far too many Sentinels here and with their maneuverability it's a win for the Matrix. They easily took over their earth while Skynet was losing to the human resistance and had to resort to repeated time travel fail to try and beat them.

Ignore me because you can't out debate me.

I had made a large post about how the Sentinels would win in this over the Terminators but as I was about to hit 'Enter' something occured to me. I have never seen the Sentinels use any kind of 'Firepower' other than the laser they use to crack open the hull of a ship. With this in mind my whole thought on it changes. I WAS going to say Sentinels win. But since they attack physically and not with any weapons I would have to say it is tougher.

The Sentinels have more Maneuverability(sc?) then the Terminators. However the Terminators have superior weapons systems. T-800 have superior targeting. The T-1000 would be half way to imposible for a Sentinel to kill since it is Liquid Metal. And the T-X, with its superior design and weapons over all the previos T-Models, would be the biggest challenge.

The T-800 could be swarmed though.. So they would be considered the Grunt soldiers in this.

The T-1000 would be hard to kill but not immpossible. The sentinel lasers on their 'bellys' should be enough heat to damage a T-1000 Liquid Metal systems but also the T-1000 is the superior T-Model in close combat since it creates weapons that could hack/slash the Sentinels.

The T-X is far stronger then the previous models. Higher Durability. Integrated Weapon systems. And has the ability to take over other machines.

It is difficult to make an honest decision based on feats from both sides.

Sentinels have numbers while the T-Models are superior machines over all just fewer. The problem for the Sentinels would be how many could an army of Terminators take out before the Sentinels get within melee range?

If you look to the movies they seem to have an endless supply of Sentinels but the humans still managed to kill hundres, maybe thousands, before they were defeated. But they were humans self targeting and squishy flesh.

It comes to a simple question. Which would win? Numbers or Superior firepower?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you switched sides again.

Matrix wins. Far too many Sentinels here and with their maneuverability it's a win for the Matrix. They easily took over their earth while Skynet was losing to the human resistance and had to resort to repeated time travel fail to try and beat them.

Ignore me because you can't out debate me.

/derp

Finally, an on topic reply. good job, Quanchi. It took one emp to wipe out thousands and thousands and thousands of squids in the final fight. Skynet has nukes. Even a damaged Terminator could potentially wipe out squids as it dies (see T3). So no, Matrix squids go down in droves, easily too.

/derp

Originally posted by Robtard
/derp

Finally, an on topic reply. good job, Quanchi. It took one emp to wipe out thousands and thousands and thousands of squids in the final fight. Skynet has nukes. Even a damaged Terminator could potentially wipe out squids as it dies (see T3). So no, Matrix squids go down in droves, easily too.

/derp

Superior numbers/maneuverability and a smarter A.I. makes this a wrap.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They have massive numbers and can afford to lose them in droves. watch Matrix 3 to see how many go down without it making one lick of a difference. The entire T force can't even wipe out a single human. The Matrix dominates the human race while the Terminators are their whipping machines.

Superior numbers/maneuverability and a smarter A.I. makes this a wrap.

Watch Matrix 3 and see the vast squid army go down to a single EMP blast.

Nukes = win. Condolences.

Originally posted by Robtard
Watch Matrix 3 and see the vast squid army go down to a single EMP blast.

Nukes = win. Condolences.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One blast didn't even dent their army. LOL. The humans were nothing to them. The terminators who are <<<small human resistance aren't on the same field as the Matrix.

The hell are you talking about, when The Hammer punches through into Zion and sets off its EMP, it knocks out all the squids in the area; we see them falling down like rain; that was just one EMP. Skynet has shitloads of nukes, which also destroy besides let loose an EMP.

Just a matter of enough nukes.

Originally posted by Robtard
The hell are you talking about, when The Hammer punches through into Zion and sets off its EMP, it knocks out all the squids in the area; we see them falling down like rain; that was just one EMP. Skynet has shitloads of nukes, which also destroy besides let loose an EMP.

Just a matter of enough nukes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's what the Sentinels or the Mtarix wanted. waste their weapons and then destroy them. Did you miss the part where the general was pissed at them for imploring such a stupid come and get me now tactic.

Luckily for Skynet, it has more than a single nuke.

Because the EMP also knocked down Zion's defenses. Did you miss that crucial part?

Originally posted by Robtard
Luckily for Skynet, it has more than a single nuke.

Because the EMP also knocked down Zion's defenses. Did you miss that crucial part?

I was considering the nuke option of Skynet and thought that would give them the edge, but then I thought: Don't us humans have nukes too? And yet the Matrix was able to dominate the human race, meaning they must have some way to protect or fight against nukes.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I was considering the nuke option of Skynet and thought that would give them the edge, but then I thought: Don't us humans have nukes too? And yet the Matrix was able to dominate the human race, meaning they must have some way to protect or fight against nukes.

Going from the films, EMP blast take out the squids no problem.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Their numbers will sustain the nukes. Watch matrix 3 again.

How many nukes do the Terminators have in their arsenal in the future ?

That's just pure speculation, Skynet has more nukes than the handful of EMP blast we see the humans employ, which they save for critical moments. Which tells us they don't have many.

Skynet can make its own nukes. Watch the Terminator films.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's just pure speculation, Skynet has more nukes than the handful of EMP blast we see the humans employ, which they save for critical moments. Which tells us they don't have many.

Skynet can make its own nukes. Watch the Terminator films.

It doesn't make sense. You can pretend they have 300 nukes but you can't prove it. Sorry. So sad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't know yet want to argue they take out a vastly superior numerical advantage despite it not working against a smaller inferior resistance.

It doesn't make sense. You can pretend they have 300 nukes but you can't prove it. Sorry. So sad.

LoL, you want me to give you a specific exact number? That's obviously impossible. But did you miss the fact that Skynet can manufacture nukes? You did. Watch the Terminator films again.

How many squids does The Matrix have? Tell me an exact number or there's no squids. <--- This is your type of clown debate tactic. It is indeed sad.

Originally posted by Robtard
Going from the films, EMP blast take out the squids no problem.

Yes. The EMP blast should work. Not sure though how that same EMP blast would affect the Terminators around. The EMP blast that the humans used against the sentinels disabled everything electro-mechanical within range. WOuldn't that disable Skynet's forces as well?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes. The EMP blast should work. Not sure though how that same EMP blast would affect the Terminators around. The EMP blast that the humans used against the sentinels disabled everything electro-mechanical within range. WOuldn't that disable Skynet's forces as well?

IIRC, the T-850 (and T-X) was EMP proof, being upgraded. As Skynet evolved to fight humanity. I'd have to research and get back to you on specifics.

But going on the grounds that Skynet's forces aren't, sacrificing one Skynet ship or unit to take out thousands of squids or a Matrix human-battery-cell is still a massive advantage for Skynet.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, you want me to give you a specific exact number? That's obviously impossible. But did you miss the fact that Skynet can manufacture nukes? You did. Watch the Terminator films again.

How many squids does The Matrix have? Tell me an exact number or there's no squids. <--- This is your type of clown debate tactic. It is indeed sad.

Thousands. We see them in large droves but we have no idea how many nukes they have in the future. How many have they used in the future ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is taking place in the future. It's not in character in the future anyways. you are just trying to look for a way for your side to win.

Thousands. We see them in large droves but we have no idea how many nukes they have in the future. How many have they used in the future ?

The hell are you on about? Watch the Terminator films again, okay. I'm talking about Skynet in the future. Also, the US would have had thousands of nukes by the time Skynet went sentient in the past. But that's another argument.

LoL, if you know even the basics of the Terminator franchise, you'd know that Skynet powers its units with nuclear fuel cells. Did you even watch T3 and Salvation? Seems you didn't. Why am I wasting my time with your antics.

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
I had made a large post about how the Sentinels would win in this over the Terminators but as I was about to hit 'Enter' something occured to me. I have never seen the Sentinels use any kind of 'Firepower' other than the laser they use to crack open the hull of a ship. With this in mind my whole thought on it changes. I WAS going to say Sentinels win. But since they attack physically and not with any weapons I would have to say it is tougher.

The Sentinels have more Maneuverability(sc?) then the Terminators. However the Terminators have superior weapons systems. T-800 have superior targeting. The T-1000 would be half way to imposible for a Sentinel to kill since it is Liquid Metal. And the T-X, with its superior design and weapons over all the previos T-Models, would be the biggest challenge.

The T-800 could be swarmed though.. So they would be considered the Grunt soldiers in this.

The T-1000 would be hard to kill but not immpossible. The sentinel lasers on their 'bellys' should be enough heat to damage a T-1000 Liquid Metal systems but also the T-1000 is the superior T-Model in close combat since it creates weapons that could hack/slash the Sentinels.

The T-X is far stronger then the previous models. Higher Durability. Integrated Weapon systems. And has the ability to take over other machines.

It is difficult to make an honest decision based on feats from both sides.

Sentinels have numbers while the T-Models are superior machines over all just fewer. The problem for the Sentinels would be how many could an army of Terminators take out before the Sentinels get within melee range?

If you look to the movies they seem to have an endless supply of Sentinels but the humans still managed to kill hundres, maybe thousands, before they were defeated. But they were humans self targeting and squishy flesh.

It comes to a simple question. Which would win? Numbers or Superior firepower?

I had the pleasure of entering the Terminator 2 ride at Universal Studios Japan recently and that event had a gigantic T1000 Spider monster! 30 ft tall and the best 3D I've ever witnessed.

It fought an older Edward Furlong and Arnie whilst they attempted to destroy the Skynet mainframe in the future, and they beat it with nothing more than shooting a coolant tank then shooting it.

If the Matrix team ever became aware of such a threat I'm sure they'll adapt.

😛

Then there is the hacking. If Terminators can be captured and hacked to fight for the humans. And in the Matrix universe humans needed extensive psychological connections to the machines to gain a slight chance at gaining an ally. That says alot.

I see Matrixverse machine soldiers hacking the crap out of Terminators for they have no concept of personality whatsoever. And when it comes to data the matrixverse wins heavily.