Originally posted by ares834
Very very low. As for taking three at once, it's hard to tell but that alone wouldn't bring them up to the top. After all, Jango took down several Jedi with his bare hands.
Like what, level 3 for the no-names, level 5-6 for the ones who take on a trio at once?
I'll note the force against the Mandos were mentioned to be Jedi unprepared for combat/had a number of padawans in there. Still if we were to rate Jango, 6 seems fair.
Originally posted by Zett
This quote clearly says, that PT era is jedi's prime era. It means, that people like Kenobi, Anakin are in their prime during Clone Wars. In OT Kenobi is just old man, and Vader is just half machine.
Vader fought old Kenobi, and it looks equal.
Maul fought this prime Kenobi (TCW, if You disagree with TPM), and it also looks equal.
Also, there is a comic, when Maul was resurrected and Vader fought him (as I remeber it's not canon, right? - but still, it's more then nothing, I guess). And in pure saber fight, Maul was better. In al-out duel, I bet Vader as a winner, but he have to aid himsef with his force powers.
No. In a pure saber duel Vader is much better then Maul.
According to that quote all PT Jedi are above Vader in sabers. When Vader took out 5 jedi at once and was barley even at his strongest. Makes no sense. Also in the comic Vader owned Maul in sabers.
Also that quote was given out when tpm was relased. so obviousy its gona be hyped up. The quotemeans nothing.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
I think the biggest difference between TPM/CW Maul is in their command of the Force,
It won't be command of the force, because where we he have suddenly increased his knowledge from. It more likely would have been his raw power in the force due to his rage consuming him over the years.
But the other difference would be that TPM Maul would have been at the peak of his training and combat skill. TCW Maul won't be at that peak level of skill after being in a straight jacket for over a decade.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
even though CW Maul's stomp of Savage puts him above TPM Maul even in the sabers regard imo.
Not necessarily.
Originally posted by Jedi MomBtw, didn't Maul have a broken ankle in TPM?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Huh? Where did that come from?
Comes from Darth Maul's journal. He was injured by either Tusken Raiders or Pirates. Can't remember now. His ship was ambushed and he had to fight off a load of "whoever they were." And injured his leg or ankle or something.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Comes from Darth Maul's journal. He was injured by either Tusken Raiders or Pirates. Can't remember now. His ship was ambushed and he had to fight off a load of "whoever they were." And injured his leg or ankle or something.
^ It was at the time of TPM. The whole Journal is leading up to those events. Can't remember though if it was before or after his first fight with Qui-Gon. Been such a long time since I read it and don't have it anymore.
I doubt it had a huge impact on his performance. But that's not to say it had zero impact.
I believe it has been referenced in a source book as well.
Legacy, using NewGuy01's as a guide:
Tier 9:
Darth Krayt
Tier 8:
Cade Skywalker (late series)
Darth Wyyrlok
Celeste Morne (w/ Muur)
Tier 7:
Darth Nihl
Darth Talon
Ganner Krieg
Antares Draco
Wolf Sazen
Shado Vao
Darth Havok
Tries Sinde
Etc..
A couple of the 7s might be better off in low-8s, but it's hard to say where to draw the line, that group has skill differences but between the lot of them there's a lot of overlap.
Originally posted by Zett
I was looking for a kind of sword fighting, that was reminiscing of what was in the movies that we already done. But a more energized version of it, [b]because we actually never seen a real jedi at work, we only seen old men, crippled half droid half man, and young boys that learn from these people. So to see a jedi fighting in the prime of the jedi, I wanted to be a much more energetic and faster version of it - George Lucas.For me it's obvious, that Maul > Vader in term of sabers. [/B]
Originally posted by Q99
Any opinions on my Legacy list?
I don't know much of this series, but i don't think, that Krayt ever reached Yoda's or Palpatine's level in sabers. So for me is more like:
Tier 8:
Darth Krayt
Tier 7:
Cade Skywalker (late series)
Darth Wyyrlok
Celeste Morne (w/ Muur)
Tier 6:
Darth Nihl
Darth Talon
Ganner Krieg
Antares Draco
Wolf Sazen
Shado Vao
Darth Havok
Tries Sinde
Etc..
Originally posted by Zett
I don't know much of this series, but i don't think, that Krayt ever reached Yoda's or Palpatine's level in sabers. So for me is more like:
Except there's like, zero reason to put the big group as low as 6.
The people on that level have done plenty of impressive things. Like, when Sazen and Shado and another knight and master were ambushed by 5 sith who killed the knight and master, then Sazen and Shado weren't even challenged by taking down the five. Or when Draco takes out 6 Sith warriors to allow him comrades time to escape on Korriban. Or so on- there's tons of instances of the people on that level cutting a swath though Jedi/Sith/etc..
Basically, the ones like Shado and Draco have the feats to prove themselves at 7 just fine. There's no reason to bump them down except wanting Krayt to be lower... but that doesn't really make sense, y'know? How you want to place Krayt doesn't affect them, and it doesn't make sense for all the major saber masters of one era to just be mysteriously one tier lower than all the major saber masters of prior eras, even though they've got some rather good saber feats on them.
Re: Rate the Star Wars duelists
Originally posted by Lord Stark
We know that GL established levels in saber battles.
CANON:
Level 9:
Mace Windu
Sidious
Yoda
AnakinLevel 8:
ROTS KenobiLevel 7:
TPM Kenobi (probably DS)Level 6:
TPM Kenobi (probably LS)