Rate the Star Wars duelists

No one gives a **** what he says Ant...

Some do, actually.

Ant, you put far too much stock in non canon information. I'm just looking at your Malak respect thread and there's so many author opinions posted that have ZERO relevance to the overall continuity.

Official Star Wars blokes can say what they want but it means little. Everyone can pick and choose if they want to believe it or not, some might believe it to a lesser extent, greater extent than others etc.
Some people go by quotes to form opinions on a character, some go by feats and others could go by a mixture. If you whole heartedly believe he's correct then good for you, but feats might contradict what Mr Gillard is saying and the many who use feats only to form arguments will disagree with you. Then it just becomes a back and forth "But he did this against him" "But Nick Gilard said this..." "He's defeated 1,000 enemies in 1v1 combat" "Nick Gillard said he's only tier 7"

It's pointless :/

Ant, screenshot the email and send it to me.

Nick Gillard does not own the rights to Star Wars, so unless he becomes an author and conveys his interpretations within a piece of literature, then they are not official. It is merely his view on certain characters and nothing more.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Nick Gillard does not own the rights to Star Wars, so unless he becomes an author and conveys his interpretations within a piece of literature, then they are not official. It is merely his view on certain characters and nothing more. [/B]

Well his power levels were based on his conversations with Lucas. So there may be some credibility to them, but only within the realm of the films. You can't start mixing TCW/Rebels and characters from other mediums to reinterpret Gillard's rankings.

But you're right, his statements are not Canon.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

👆 Gillard responded to me via email today and declared Maul and Dooku are 8s. [/B]

TPM Maul? That's interesting.

I always thought (as did ILS) that there wasn't a big power gap between TPM and TCW Maul.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
[B]Well his power levels were based on his conversations with Lucas.

There is zero evidence that his infamous tier system has anything to do with Lucas. George simply tells Gillard who's fighting who, with some general ideas about the action (who will win said fight), and from there the Gillard dictates the choreography. You can often see in Lucas' original scripts that there are sections left blank for the fights themselves. Otherwise there is nothing to say that Gillard's interpretation of the characters themselves, comes from anything other than his own head. Unless you can prove that his mind is interlinked to Lucas' via telepathy.

Ant is fingering himself over matters of unimportance.

He often does.

Gillard is more important than Lucas in regards to versus, Ziggy.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Nick Gillard does not own the rights to Star Wars, so unless he becomes an author and conveys his interpretations within a piece of literature, then they are not official. It is merely his view on certain characters and nothing more.

✅

Originally posted by Lord Stark
We know that GL established levels in saber battles.
CANON:
Level 9:
Mace Windu
Sidious
Yoda
Anakin

Level 8:
ROTS Kenobi

Level 7:
TPM Kenobi (probably DS)

Level 6:
TPM Kenobi (probably LS)

So how do others stack up to this. Rank your favorite characters/ anyone you want and discuss.

I'd say

PT

Level 9:
Sidious
Mace
Yoda
Dooku
Anakin

Level 8:
Kenobi
Shaak Ti
Cin Draalig
Maul (low 8)

Level 7:
Asajj Ventress
Kit Fisto
General Grievous
Plo Koon
Savage Oppress

ect. ect.

In terms of pure sabers with augmentation:

Level 9:
Sidious (high 9)
Mace (mid 9)
Yoda (high 9)
Dooku (mid 9)

Level 8:
Anakin (higher 8)
Kenobi (mid-high 8)
Maul (high 8)
Kit Fisto (low-mid 8)
Plo Koon (mid 8)
Ki Adi Mundi (mid 8)
TPM Qui Gon (lower 8)

Level 7:
Rebels Tano (mid-high 7)
Luminara (mid 7)
Adi Gallia (mid 7)
Savage Opress non-bloodlusted (mid-high 7)
Shaak Ti (mid-high 7)
Cin Dralig (low-mid 7)
Asajj Ventress in her prime (mid-high 7)
General Grievous canon (mid 7)
Aayla Secura (low 7)

Level 6:
TPM Kenobi (mid-high 6)

Level 5:
Late TCW Ahsoka (mid 5)

Level 4:
Pre-Vizsla (low 4)
Early TCW Tano (low-mid 4)

Level 3:
Zett Jukassa (mid-high 3)
Avg 10 year old jedi padawan (low-mid 3)

Level 2:
avg 6 year old jedi padawan (mid 2)

Level 1:
Dave Filoni

ect. ect.

LMFAO

Ahsoka would eviscerate half of tier 8.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
There is zero evidence that his infamous tier system has anything to do with Lucas. George simply tells Gillard who's fighting who, with some general ideas about the action (who will win said fight), and from there the Gillard dictates the choreography. You can often see in Lucas' original scripts that there are sections left blank for the fights themselves. Otherwise there is nothing to say that Gillard's interpretation of the characters themselves, comes from anything other than his own head. Unless you can prove that his mind is interlinked to Lucas' via telepathy.

Ant is fingering himself over matters of unimportance.

Unfortunately I don't have the quote, but Arhael who used to post here gave a quote from Gillard where he said the tier system all came from his conversations with Lucas. And I think his rankings being in the Making of ROTS, both the book and the video, make it pretty relevant to a lot of people anyway.

Plus I doubt Gillard's just some insane guy who makes up his own shit. He said that Anakin and Kenobi can't get past each other's defenses because they know each others moves so well. The ROTS novel implies the same thing, but goes into it further.

Gillard says Mace is 2nd in combat to Yoda, as Jackson says himself. I wouldn't think these different guys working on the Star Wars films under Lucas and novels viewed over by Lucas, who are all saying the same thing just all happen to make up all the same things. It's likely all stuff they've all been told by Mr. Lucas.

In any case, Canon or not, I find it interesting to know what the choreographer of the movie fights had in mind.

Level 9:
Sidious (High)
Mace Amped (High)
Yoda (High
Dooku (Mid-High)
Mace (Mid-High)

Level 8:
Anakin (Just under level 9)
Maul (Mid-Sort of High)
Kenobi (Mid-Sort of High)
Rebels Ashoka (Mid)
Kit Fisto (Mid)
Asajj Ventress (mid)
TPM Qui-Gon (Mid)
Ki-Adi Mundi (Benchmark)

Level 7:
Plo Koon (meh)
Shaak Ti (meh)
Adi Gallia (meh)
Canon Grievous (meh-shitty)
Cin Drallig (meh-shitty)
Luminara Unduli (meh-shitty)
Savage Opress (Shitty ~ But strength means he can compete with tiers up)
Aayla Secura (Shitty)

Level 6:
TPM Kenobi (shitty)
Late TCW Ashoka (shitty)

Level 5:
Pre Viszla (great for non-force sensitive)
Early TCW Ashoka (really shitty)

Level 4 and downward = Trash

Don't think there is a mid 9, or a low 9 as Gillard says Saber fights between 9's can go either way.

Also how is Anakin not making into the 9's when the guy who made these tiers already put him there?

Just my opinion, I don't think he could take any nines for a majority

👆 @DT

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Level 9:
Sidious (High)
Mace Amped (High)
Yoda (High
Dooku (Mid-High)
Mace (Mid-High)

Level 8:
Anakin (Just under level 9)
Maul (Mid-Sort of High)
Kenobi (Mid-Sort of High)
Rebels Ashoka (Mid)
Kit Fisto (Mid)
Asajj Ventress (mid)
TPM Qui-Gon (Mid)
Ki-Adi Mundi (Benchmark)

Level 7:
Plo Koon (meh)
Shaak Ti (meh)
Adi Gallia (meh)
Canon Grievous (meh-shitty)
Cin Drallig (meh-shitty)
Luminara Unduli (meh-shitty)
Savage Opress (Shitty ~ But strength means he can compete with tiers up)
Aayla Secura (Shitty)

Level 6:
TPM Kenobi (shitty)
Late TCW Ashoka (shitty)

Level 5:
Pre Viszla (great for non-force sensitive)
Early TCW Ashoka (really shitty)

Level 4 and downward = Trash

If you raise Savage, Anakin and Shaak this may be a perfect list, tbh.

I just dislike Shaak Ti so my personal bias will always get in the way but yeah I would ordinarily raise her.