Why do people give Odin the win in scenario 3?
The Destroyer with Odin AND the essence of Asgard couldn't do anything to any Celestial barring the sword which he doesn't have for this fight. Full Power Tyrant has power output that can destroy galaxies in battle as indicated by Thanos. Keep in mind that forThanos to even make this assessment, he had to have seen more than the images of the fight that we, the readers, saw when he observed the fight on the computer. The images that were shown was not the fight in it's entirety.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYou are acting as if Odin could have defeated Thanos in this time which is speculation. What we know is Odin failed to put him down and that he respected Thanos.
Not speculation, the comic clearly shows Odin allowing Thanos the time needed to struggle back to his feet.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Why do people give Odin the win in scenario 3?The Destroyer with Odin AND the essence of Asgard couldn't do anything to any Celestial barring the sword which he doesn't have for this fight. Full Power Tyrant has power output that can destroy galaxies in battle as indicated by Thanos. Keep in mind that forThanos to even make this assessment, he had to have seen more than the images of the fight that we, the readers, saw when he observed the fight on the computer. The images that were shown was not the fight in it's entirety.
Well, Infinity destroyed galaxies and was destroying the universe.
I personally think that the 3rd fight is the only one that Tyrant takes but that's only because he did well against Galactus, not because of the fallout from their fight.
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.
Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.
Yes, because it was obvious that the writer meant for the one-sided beatdown to imply that Thanos would have won.
Great logic.
Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.
A logic I would gladly extend to characters of their own title.
Thanos would not be included in that.
Originally posted by red sabreOf course we can know the outcome. Thanos failed to even make Odin flinch. Nothing Thanos could do affected Odin in the slightest.
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.
Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.
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Dude, you sound just like Quanchi; but not quite as bad...
Quanchi once said that Sif showed up and saved Odins life!! 😂
Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.
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[QUOTE=14237307]Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
[B]@red sabre
Thats BS and you know it; there was no speed blitzing or showing the motions of the punches or any nonsense going on...
The dust was there and had enough time to settle; fact.
Instead of taking advantage of the situation and thrashing Thanos, Odin spoke to him; fact.
Thanos took several panels to stand and he was staggering in all of them except the last one (panel 7); fact.
So please stop with the garbage defenses for Thanos; he got his @ss kicked by Odin and Odin had mercy on him instead of finishing him off...
Thanos recieved a stay of execution...
Read em and weep...
I can understand where your comming from and i think your right with regards to the time it took Thanos to rise , even also before that Odin stands to the side admits Thanos was a great Foe and never encountered any one like him before etc Even Thanos before he rises/stands up says something along the lines of "Let me cool down Asgaurdian/lord odin " something along those lines hence hes indicating he needs-> time to cool down etc then stands up .. While Thanos says that etc Odin probably could have done more damage but had mercy on him.. Hope that made sense..
Originally posted by Sundipped
Why do people give Odin the win in scenario 3?The Destroyer with Odin AND the essence of Asgard couldn't do anything to any Celestial barring the sword which he doesn't have for this fight. Full Power Tyrant has power output that can destroy galaxies in battle as indicated by Thanos. Keep in mind that forThanos to even make this assessment, he had to have seen more than the images of the fight that we, the readers, saw when he observed the fight on the computer. The images that were shown was not the fight in it's entirety.
and we've seen surtur--on panel--destroy a galaxy via collateral damage. and that was before he had the sword and was LESS than odin in power. the hierarchy has shifted since thor 300. i mean, seriously? we've seen sue storm defeat a celestial since then.....pis? maybe. but her shields defended against several celestial attacks again recently in the ff. celestials have fallen a little in the hierarchy imo, while galactus and skyfathers have been pushed upwards some. again, imo.
i think the fight could go either way tbh in 3. it would depend entirely on odin's reserves. i think he could def match tyrant for a lenghty time, but not sure how long. i wonder too about his tp vs tyrant. no proof tyrant is on g's level tp-wise at all, but we know odin MATCHED g. still, odin<galactus. tyrant<galactus. but this is an amped odin--g could have continued to battle destroyer odin, but did not. were he so certain of victory (and he really wanted the seed.....) why not just continue? ss found the seed again, g knew it was in the tree somewhere, could have gone after it. it's not like him to turn aside. but....he did.
how anyone can see the fight as anything but relatively close i really don't understand.
Originally posted by leonidas
and we've seen surtur--on panel--destroy a galaxy via collateral damage. and that was before he had the sword and was LESS than odin in power. the hierarchy has shifted since thor 300. i mean, seriously? we've seen sue storm defeat a celestial since then.....pis? maybe. but her shields defended against several celestial attacks again recently in the ff. celestials have fallen a little in the hierarchy imo, while galactus and skyfathers have been pushed upwards some. again, imo.i think the fight could go either way tbh in 3. it would depend entirely on odin's reserves. i think he could def match tyrant for a lenghty time, but not sure how long. i wonder too about his tp vs tyrant. no proof tyrant is on g's level tp-wise at all, but we know odin MATCHED g. still, odin<galactus. tyrant<galactus. but this is an amped odin--g could have continued to battle destroyer odin, but did not. were he so certain of victory (and he really wanted the seed.....) why not just continue? ss found the seed again, g knew it was in the tree somewhere, could have gone after it. it's not like him to turn aside. but....he did.
how anyone can see the fight as anything but relatively close i really don't understand.
Where is it stated that Surtur is less than Odin in power? Even given that, we still have Odin in the DA amped and ineffective against even lesser known Celestials. The incidents involving Sue are due to the fact that she derives her powers from hyperspace. The same energies empower the Celestials. Hence the reason she was able to affect them and Hyperstorm.
Tyrant is composed of the same cosmic energy as Galactus so he should be able to endure a tp assault (to a somewhat lesser degree) from Odin who was really stressing (moreso than G) during that ordeal. If we go by standard portrayal, Odin may only try something like this 1/10 times anyway. If you're trying to imply that G was scared of the DA, I disagree. He was only worried about the seed.
I agree it will be close but the one appearance where Odin was actually in the DA, + the Asgard essence amp, is lackluster. That's what's making me lean more towards Tyrant for the majority.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Where is it stated that Surtur is less than Odin in power? Even given that, we still have Odin in the DA [B]amped and ineffective against even lesser known Celestials. The incidents involving Sue are due to the fact that she derives her powers from hyperspace. The same energies empower the Celestials. Hence the reason she was able to affect them and Hyperstorm.Tyrant is composed of the same cosmic energy as Galactus so he should be able to endure a tp assault (to a somewhat lesser degree) from Odin who was really stressing (moreso than G) during that ordeal. If we go by standard portrayal, Odin may only try something like this 1/10 times anyway. If you're trying to imply that G was scared of the DA, I disagree. He was only worried about the seed.
I agree it will be close but the one appearance where Odin was actually in the DA, + the Asgard essence amp, is lackluster. That's what's making me lean more towards Tyrant for the majority. [/B]
but again, were that issue of thor redone today, i suspect it would be very different. odin unamped, was able to give g pause, and we saw what g was able to do to celestials in the ff arc. basically he was one-shotting them. until they combined anyway. i don't think using that issue of thor (300) is applicable any longer. least imo.
we really have no way of knowing tyrant's ability to resist tp. maybe it's good, but he is already below g and odin did stalemate g in tp--g tried forcing him out and failed. that's pretty much a draw imo. i'd wager odin>tyrant in tp--if we speculate tyrant has a level of tp in the first place.
and i'm not implying g was AFRAID of odin in the armor, but i am saying the armor was at least enough to give him pause and make him think about things. would g have won had things continued? maybe. but the doubt i have was created intentionally by the author through the depictions of uncertainty he painted g with in that asgard scene. if you think it's close but tyrant wins, i'm completely cool with that. i see it the opposite way, but we're not too far off i don't think. my issue is with people who think that anyone who thinks odin wins are idiots. that viewpoint is unsupportable imo as all the evidence suggests this is pretty damn close.....
Originally posted by quanchi112When was Odin ever in danger? Thanos used all his might can couldn't even bother Odin. Odin could have sat there and yawned all day and let Thanos do his worst. There was never any danger for Odin.
It's speculation either way. My opinion on what did happen is spot on.
Originally posted by leonidas
but again, were that issue of thor redone today, i suspect it would be very different. odin unamped, was able to give g pause, and we saw what g was able to do to celestials in the ff arc. basically he was one-shotting them. until they combined anyway. i don't think using that issue of thor (300) is applicable any longer. least imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
and i'm not implying g was AFRAID of odin in the armor, but i am saying the armor was at least enough to give him pause and make him think about things. would g have won had things continued? maybe. but the doubt i have was created intentionally by the author through the depictions of uncertainty he painted g with in that asgard scene. if you think it's close but tyrant wins, i'm completely cool with that. i see it the opposite way, but we're not too far off i don't think. my issue is with people who think that anyone who thinks odin wins are idiots. that viewpoint is unsupportable imo as all the evidence suggests this is pretty damn close.....
Originally posted by Bluddflagg
Alright, my opinion that I'm weighing in is that Volstagg is mostly an idiotic braggart (which he is. He's my favorite of the Warriors Three and is my favorite Asgardian period. He's a coward, an idiot and a braggart and never should be taken at his word).What I find confusing is the second scan. The only thing we have to go on is Galactus' eyes and his hand, which really doesn't actually show what's going through his head at the time.
My opinion on the matter, which is just my opinion and can not be backed up by un-inferred on-panel evidence, is that during the second scan Galactus is in telepathic contact with the Silver Surfer and he leaves the battlefield once he learns that what he has sought after is no longer there.
We can't take Volstagg's word as the gospel truth and I personally would see Odin's line about "braining" as him just trying to save face. Because honestly, regardless of who you think would win or who is more powerful, he definitely came out looking way worse from that confrontation than Galactus did.
But that's just my opinion as a previously impartial third party observer. Feel free to rip it apart or flame it or whatever will definitely end up happening because my opinion runs counter to the idea of Galactus being a coward.