Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Galactus consumed a dead world prior to the fight with Odin. As far as those 4 worlds in F4 go, we don't really know how biosphere rich they were, but based on both Hickman and Brevoort's statements, it was a definitive amp. Plus, Odin is already much more powerful than all the other Asgardians combined, so I doubt adding their life-forces in addition to his own would significantly increase his power. I don't see why Thor 300 suddenly becomes inapplicable today just because Odin seemingly performed well against Galactus. Do you think that Odin would perform well against the Galactus Engine as well?[b/]
were the galactus engine to show up in asgard i suspect odin would don the armor and do just fine--he'd lose, obviously, but its speculation to guess how he would do.
there was an article someone posted fairly recently explaining the way the celestials were viewed at the time. they are no longer viewed that way. if their recent appearances aren't enough to tell you that, wellllll....that's your perogative.
The armor did no such thing. It was settled in the old thread. This post sums up that scenario about as well it gets:
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you tell me it's MY opinion is incorrect and post some random guy's OPINION of the event to support your stance? i think his opinion is wrong. nor do i know what you're referencing when you say the armor did 'no such thing'. you don't think it gave g pause? cool. it seems pretty clear to me that it did just that. it had nothing to do with what volstagg said either, but to do with the way g and the destroyer measured each other. the implication was crystal clear to me.
@ GK 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
but again, were that issue of thor redone today, i suspecting it would be very different. odin unamped, was able to give g pause, and we saw what g was able to do to celestials in the ff arc. basically he was one-shotting them. until they combined anyway. i don't think using that issue of thor (300) is applicable any longer. least imo.we really have no way of knowing tyrant's ability to resist tp. maybe it's good, but he is already below g and odin did stalemate g in tp--g tried forcing him out and failed. that's pretty much a draw imo. i'd wager odin>tyrant in tp--if we speculate tyrant has a level of tp in the first place.
and i'm not implying g was AFRAID of odin in the armor, but i am saying the armor was at least enough to give him pause and make him think about things. would g have won had things continued? maybe. but the doubt i have was created intentionally by the author through the depictions of uncertainty he painted g with in that asgard scene. if you think it's close but tyrant wins, i'm completely cool with that. i see it the opposite way, but we're not too far off i don't think. my issue is with people who think that anyone who thinks odin wins are idiots. that viewpoint is unsupportable imo as all the evidence suggests this is pretty damn close.....
You're making that fight out to be more than it was. Odin was the one who tapped out because of the strain. He asked G to get out of his head first. WhenG refused, Odin then proceeds to attack via headbutt. If you notice, Odin grunts while G is relatively calm.
Why did he tap out? I'll let Odin explain it himself.
That's far from a stalemate.
Tyrant is equipped with the power cosmic which is the basis for all of Galactus'
powers. Theoretically, he should be able to earn at least a legitimate stalemate considering it wasn't so hard for G after all. To be frank, hopping in the DA indicates warrior mode so a tp battle is most likely not even happening. I'm not going to speculate on what would have happened after that but I suppose it would have been a little bit closer.
Those 4 worlds had to have provided a significant benefit for G considering the way he manhandled that Celestial.
For the purposes of this thread we have to use what is shown in the comic concerning this particular character. That Thor issue is applicable for this fight because well......that's the only time we've seen him in it in battle. Tyrant should be able to wear it down and slag it again. If not, severely damage it. Hell, Odinforce Thor beheaded it before.
Originally posted by leonidas
were the galactus engine to show up in asgard i suspect odin would don the armor and do just fine--he'd lose, obviously, but its speculation to guess how he would do.there was an article someone posted fairly recently explaining the way the celestials were viewed at the time. they are no longer viewed that way. if their recent appearances aren't enough to tell you that, wellllll....that's your perogative.
MrSunKing mentioned that. It's not an article btw, it's a letters page in which the author of Thor 300 explained how he viewed the Celestials' power levels at that time. IIRC, that same author also later claimed that the skyfathers time on Earth had weakened them. Letters page. One piece of evidence is about as useful here as the other. Which is: not useful at all.
Originally posted by leonidas
😑you tell me it's MY opinion is incorrect and post some random guy's OPINION of the event to support your stance? i think his opinion is wrong. nor do i know what you're referencing when you say the armor did 'no such thing'. you don't think it gave g pause? cool. it seems pretty clear to me that it did just that. it had nothing to do with what volstagg said either, but to do with the way g and the destroyer measured each other. the implication was crystal clear to me.
Originally posted by leonidas
incorrect. reread thor 349. odin is explicitly states it was a galaxy surtur destroyed.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Those 4 worlds had to have provided a significant benefit for G considering the way he manhandled that Celestial.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculation either way. My opinion on what did happen is spot on.
Stops running from this Quanchi...
I already have a link to where you said it the 1st time, so you might as well be a man and own what you have said...
Now, did Lady Sif save Odins life from Thanos in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #25...yes or no?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderIt's speculation. You can link me as I did say it. Either way it's speculation and I only like debating on what did happen. That's always been my m.o. I am very consistent.
Stops running from this Quanchi...I already have a link to where you said it the 1st time, so you might as well be a [b]man
and own what you have said...Now, did Lady Sif save Odins life from Thanos in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #25...yes or no? [/B]
Originally posted by leonidas
cool. now read thro 349. 🙂 if i had an electronic version i'd post the scan. rage prolly does..... and no retcon, just further info.
And it better not be Odin retelling/summarizing the story. Retellings/summaries tend to embellish and oversimplify things. We SEE ON PANEL he "only" destroyed the galactic core. I provided the scan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculation. You can link me as I did say it. Either way it's speculation and I only like debating on what did happen. That's always been my m.o. I am very consistent.
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So you admit that Lady Sif saved Odins life from Thanos!!!! 😂
And you call yourself unbiased and objective...lol!!!
Tell me Quan...in the following pic, Thanos was about to deliver the Death Blow to Odin...wasnt he?
Originally posted by Sundipped
@ GK 👆You're making that fight out to be more than it was. Odin was the one who tapped out because of the strain. He asked G to get out of his head first. WhenG refused, Odin then proceeds to attack via headbutt. If you notice, Odin grunts while G is relatively calm.
Why did he tap out? I'll let Odin explain it himself.
That's far from a stalemate.
you say i'm making it more, i say you're making it less. the fight lasted a full issue. that in and of itself is enough to indicate that this was meant to be close imo. and perhaps g WAS getting the better, but not enough that he was decisively winning. odin seemed to have left because tp wasn't going to get it done and he got impatient. maybe g would have worn him down tp-wise later, but it was very close indeed.
Tyrant is equipped with the power cosmic which is the basis for all of Galactus' powers
meh. so is terrax and firelord and......pc doesn't manifest the same all the time. you can speculate all you'd like. but we have on-panel proof odin has uber tp. nothing to say for sure tyrant does. though in the armor you're right--it might be different.
Those 4 worlds had to have provided a significant benefit for G considering the way he manhandled that Celestial.
maybe, but since we've never seen a regular g battle a celestial we don't know how he would fair. he also tends to expend power very quickly (see him trying to break thanos's shield...) so his energy levels would have been depleting as he went along in the battle.
For the purposes of this thread we have to use what is shown in the comic concerning this particular character. That Thor issue is applicable for this fight because well......that's the only time we've seen him in it in battle. Tyrant should be able to wear it down and slag it again. If not, severely damage it. Hell, Odinforce Thor beheaded it before. [/B]
you can use whatever you'd like of course. i don't think it's a fair comparison because the view of celestials has changed somewhat over time. we have g one-shotting them and taking on 4 at once and doing pretty dame well, while we have odin lasting an issue+ against him in 1on1 battle. we've seen zeus with some unspecified amp basically one shot g. back in that famous thor issue, 3 high end skyfathers COMBINED, could barely get arishem to NOTICE them. to me it's quite clear there has been an editorial shift in the way things are viewed cosmologically speaking and that shift makes comparing feats from different eras tricky.
but, do what you need to do.
oh--and OF thor did behead it--but it wasn't empowered BY the odinforce so it's a wholly different animal.
Originally posted by zopzop
No need. It stated and SHOWN ON PANEL that it was only a galactic core. Unless this has been retconned, I don't care.And it better not be Odin retelling/summarizing the story. Retellings/summaries tend to embellish and oversimplify things. We SEE ON PANEL he "only" destroyed the galactic core. I provided the scan.
okey dokey. your choice what you pick and choose to believe. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
okey dokey. your choice what you pick and choose to believe. 🙂
Unless there is something that counters this (and it better not be a retelling or summary), I don't see what the big problem is.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The Galactus Engine killed Aegis off-panel, and forced 2 dozen Celestials to retreat. If you think that Odin would do "just fine", then that's on you.
👆 i could likewise say if you think if galactus fought set that their battle would be felt throughout the multiverse then that is on you. neither the g engine nor set has any particular relevance though.
MrSunKing mentioned that. It's not an article btw, it's a letters page in which the author of Thor 300 explained how he viewed the Celestials' power levels at that time. IIRC, that same author also later claimed that the skyfathers time on Earth had weakened them. Letters page. One piece of evidence is about as useful here as the other. Which is: not useful at all.
well, if no evidence is useful, well.......okay? when used in combination with later celestial depictions, i'll choose to view the letters' page article as proof of the editorial stance. feel free to ignore.
That post summed up the battle in the most objective and unbiased manner as possible.
iyo you mean.
And yes by that I mean it gave pause. Clearly your interpretation of the armor giving Galactus pause is incorrect
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wow, your opinion carries a lot of weight with you, eh? and of course, that IS an opinion. which i heartily disagree with.
as both of them were merely producing big bursts of light in their brief staredown before Galactus was summoned by Surfer and informed about the missing Seed. Why would Galactus being called off from the battlefield to be informed about the most important asset(around which that war was even started to begin with) mean that the armor gave him "pause" is beyond me.
i get you don't get it. that doesn't however, mean the stance is wrong, or any less justified than your own. at all. g was pretty damn stunned by that ridiculous headbutt, had been pushed in tp, and now faced an even more powerful version of odin then the one he'd been fighting for an issue and a half. wholly one-sided battles do NOT go that long. but, again, ignore what you need to, interpret however you feel necessary. just don't forget that it is your opinion, and nothing more.
I would probably have addressed this as well, had zop not beaten me to it. Not that I was trying to take anything from the feat, it's still quite impressive. [/B]
it was impressive as a core--it was more impressive as a galaxy, as was mentioned in thor 349. but like zop, feel free to choose whichever info you'd like to believe.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. I believe what was stated AND SHOWN on panel (in the scan I kindly provided).Unless there is something that counters this (and it better not be a retelling or summary), I don't see what the big problem is.
umm, why can't it be both....? you destroy a core, the destruction wave spreads out to engulf the rest of the galaxy. not too hard to credit. and if the only reason you're discounting on panel proof is that you're calling odin an unreliable narrator, welllll.....that's on you. rage likely has the scan of odin retelling what happened but you'll believe what you'd like. there just isn't any logical reason to think that after the core was destroyed, the rest of the galaxy was also destroyed. especially when that was specifically stated on panel.