Depa Billaba vs. Darth Maul

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Originally posted by NewGuy01
The point is--If Mace was at 100% health, and tapping into Vaapad, he would completely obliterate Depa with complete and total ease.

In their fight, he was stabbed, bitten, bones broken, ligaments torn, and he still wasn't even going all-out in their battle, nor was he tapping into Vaapad. And on top of this, he wasn't attempting to hurt her.

I don't see why Depa would own Maul.

Originally posted by CountDooku22
Don't confuse yourself.

More so Vapaad-Depa = Mace.

But not beyond Mace.

Mace and Depa were both tapped into Vapaad - and Mace was fully intent on smashing his lightsaber hilt into Depa's skull.

he could feel himself slipping into
the shadows. He had to. She was too strong, too fast, too everything. The
only way he could survive was to give more of himself to Vaapad. To give
all of himself.

He brought his blade back up from the pit and turned his wrist on the forehand so that his recovery stroke took her in the temple with his lightsaber's butt.

- And Depa was emaciated, had lost tons of weight, was weakened and disheveled.

And she was in pain.

She drew the curtain aside.
She sat on the edge of a long, padded chaise. She wore the tatters of
Jedi robes over the rough homespun of a jungle Korun. Her hair was as he
had seen at the outpost: ragged, greasy, hacked short as though she'd
used a knife to trim it without the benefit of a mirror. Her face was
every bit as thin as he had seen it: her cheekbones sharp, and her jaw going prominent. The burn scar was there, from one corner of her hardship-thinned mouth to the point of her jaw- But instead of a blindfold, she wore the strip of dirty rag tied around her forehead, concealing the Greater Mark of Illumination.

The Lesser Mark still glinted gold on the bridge of her nose, and though
her eyes were bloodshot and pain-haunted, her gaze was clear, and level,
and, after all, she was Depa Billaba.

And she was smaller and weaker than him:

He was taller than she, with more reach and weight, and vastly more muscle in his upper body, but she drove him backward as though he were a child.

Wrong.

Mace was armed - and he had the intention of smashing a steel rod into Depa's skull

He brought his blade back up from the pit and turned his wrist on the forehand so that his recovery stroke took her in the temple with his lightsaber's butt.

😆
Maul would get raped by Windu in that circumstance.

And Maul would get dominated by Depa Billaba.

Maul loses.

Originally posted by CountDooku22
I already have.

Far from it.


Which is why he ended up on a lava bank several hours later.

*days


Actually, it is.

No it isn't. It's like professional boxing. Fights aren't black and white, they aren't battle droids you twit.


If Dooku lost to Anakin, then he can't defeat Sidious, just as he always knew.

Wrong again.


And if Mace can defeat Sidious, that means he can logically defeat Dooku, who is weaker than Sidious.

Obi-Wan defeated Anakin
Obi-Wan>Anakin>Dooku
Obi-Wan would curbstomp Dooku it's simple math really.


It's more a matter of math than anything.

It is statistics actually which I currently have an A in thanks.

The probability that Mace will win a fight against Sidious may be say...60/40 in Sidious' favor. Just because we saw the ONE time Mace defeated Sidious doesn't mean he could do that everytime numb nuts.

Same thing with Anakin v. Dooku.

If that match-up is 60/40 in Dooku's favor we just happened to see the ONE instance where Anakin won. We see other instances towards the latter part of the Clone War where Dooku wins.

Just like boxing. When two combatants come up, the math shows that it's likely for one person to come out on top. Do they always? No. Because statistics are not absolute. That's why they are statistics.

Bravo, Yoda.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Will you stop saying speculation. We're in a debate forum all of this is speculation.

Also all of your posts are entirely based on interpretation.

And the posts of Jinsoku Takai and Nephthys as well, apparently.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

You have nothing that suggests Mace got more powerful in the six months between Dark Rendezvous and ROTS. Nothing. And before you say 'derp but Mace beat Sidious he haz 2 have a power boost'

NOTHING suggests that.

The only "derping" I'm hearing, is coming from you.

Are you to seriously tell me that you're too slow to figure out what I've been explaining to you?

Mace didn't inherit all of Sidious' power when he fought him - so unless you're saying AotC Mace can beat ROTS Sidious, then of course he grew in power and skill somewhere between Dark Rendezvous and ROTS.

If this is too hard for you to process, you can always concede to me, and go rest an ice-pack on your swollen head.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Mace saying Anakin may be more powerful than himself after he defeated Dooku supports this.

The lava bank, doesn't.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Dooku's bladeswork is on par with the cream of the crop, it is cream of the crop.
He is one of the wisest and most powerful Jedi in the Order's 25,000 year history and an even more powerful Sith Lord- ROTS novel.

That's why he got beaten by a Knight who stalemated with a Jedi Master (Kenobi) in power and speed, even whilst tapping into the Dark Side.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

No.

Really? Concession accepted then. 🙂

Originally posted by CountDooku22
And the posts of Jinsoku Takai and Nephthys as well, apparently.

They aren't official sources of canon. The authors who wrote those statements are.

The only "derping" I'm hearing, is coming from you.

Are you to seriously tell me that you're too slow to figure out what I've been explaining to you?

Mace didn't inherit all of Sidious' power when he fought him - so unless you're saying AotC Mace can beat ROTS Sidious, then of course he grew in power and skill somewhere between Dark Rendezvous and ROTS.


DR takes place 6 months before ROTS...there's still at least a year and a half where Mace got a powerboost...you know at Haruun Kal.

-snip-

Look unless you are going to pull a quote from a sourcebook or novel that states Mace's swordsmanship exceeds Dooku's you're not going to win. So unless your next post includes canon proof that Mace>Dooku, don't even bother.

Defeating Sidious in swordsmanship doesn't count because it is circumstantial, and an argument could be made that Sidious threw the fight.

Also never is it stated that Dooku fears Sidious' bladeswork, only that he fears his command of the Dark Side...you know the command that Sidious barely demonstrated against Mace.

Anakin defeating Dooku is also irrelevant because after Anakin defeats Dooku, Mace accepts the possibility that Anakin has surpassed him.

Oh, this is interesting..

I want to jump into this.

Now this is interesting.

Let me take a crack at this. 😄

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Far from it.

Hardly. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

*days

Several hours equal days, Retard. 🙄 😆

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

No it isn't. It's like professional boxing. Fights aren't black and white, they aren't battle droids you twit.

You don't know anything about boxing, Water-head. 😄

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Wrong again.

No, very much right. 😎

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Obi-Wan defeated Anakin
Obi-Wan>Anakin>Dooku
Obi-Wan would curbstomp Dooku it's simple math really.

Good job; a dumbass like you, using dumbass math. Very astute. 😄

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

It is statistics actually which I currently have an A in thanks.

And yet you don't know that several hours equal days. 😆

I think it's less "statistics" and more "macaroni-art" - and less of an "A" and more a gold-star.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

The probability that Mace will win a fight against Sidious may be say...60/40 in Sidious' favor.
Just because we saw the ONE time Mace defeated Sidious doesn't mean he could do that everytime numb nuts.

Big talk coming from someone who doesn't have nuts between their legs.

I know being a transvestite can be frustrating for you. 😄

And I like that "statistics" you laid up there. Except it seems as if you're pulling crap out of your ass.

Go do yourself a favor - go to your room, lock the door, turn the lights off, and pull some crap out, and eat it. 😆

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Same thing with Anakin v. Dooku.

If that match-up is 60/40 in Dooku's favor we just happened to see the ONE instance where Anakin won. We see other instances towards the latter part of the Clone War where Dooku wins.

From the kiddie show? 😄

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Just like boxing. When two combatants come up, the math shows that it's likely for one person to come out on top. Do they always? No. Because statistics are not absolute. That's why they are statistics.

You don't know anything about boxing, or statistics. 😄

But what you do know, is that Dooku can't beat Sidious or Mace, and that you're thirsty for my cum.

Now go wash up. After I'm done with your mum, I'm coming to read you a story by your bedside. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
They aren't official sources of canon. The authors who wrote those statements are.

Hmm.. Such as the statement in DR, where Dooku is fearful of Sidious, because Sidious can destroy him.

And statements written in the ROTS Novel, and reflected in the Movie, where Mace defeats the man Dooku knew he could not defeat. 😎

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

DR takes place 6 months before ROTS...there's still at least a year and a half where Mace got a powerboost...you know at Haruun Kal.

It seems he would have gotten a number of power boosts throughout the battles. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Look unless you are going to pull a quote from a sourcebook or novel that states Mace's swordsmanship exceeds Dooku's you're not going to win. So unless your next post includes canon proof that Mace>Dooku, don't even bother.

Okay, Retard.

How about, Mace beat Sidious, and Dooku couldn't and fearfully knew it?

Is that good enough, or is it too hard for your water-filled head to comprehend?

If it is, go lay down and leave your door unlocked for me.

You'll feel better in the morning. 😄

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Defeating Sidious in swordsmanship doesn't count because it is circumstantial, and an argument could be made that Sidious threw the fight.

Except Canon indicates otherwise. 😮‍💨

Unless you're arguing against Canon, is that it, 'Tard?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Also never is it stated that Dooku fears Sidious' bladeswork, only that he fears his command of the Dark Side...you know the command that Sidious barely demonstrated against Mace.

Command of the Force is necessary to use a lightsaber skillfully. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Anakin defeating Dooku is also irrelevant because after Anakin defeats Dooku, Mace accepts the possibility that Anakin has surpassed him.

Mace also stated Kenobi was the best Jedi for the job of slaying Grievous.

When Yoda of course, could have done so much quicker and with more ease. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by §hroud
Hmm.. Such as the statement in DR, where Dooku is fearful of Sidious, because Sidious can destroy him.

And statements written in the ROTS Novel, and reflected in the Movie, where Mace defeats the man Dooku knew he could not defeat. 😎

It seems he would have gotten a number of power boosts throughout the battles. 😮‍💨

Okay, Retard.

How about, Mace beat Sidious, and Dooku couldn't and fearfully knew it?

Is that good enough, or is it too hard for your water-filled head to comprehend?

If it is, go lay down and leave your door unlocked for me.

You'll feel better in the morning. 😄

Except Canon indicates otherwise. 😮‍💨

Unless you're arguing against Canon, is that it, 'Tard?

Command of the Force is necessary to use a lightsaber skillfully. 😮‍💨

Mace also stated Kenobi was the best Jedi for the job of slaying Grievous.

When Yoda of course, could have done so much quicker and with more ease. 😮‍💨

............Eh, it's a toss up.

S

Windu was on the verge of death.. He'd been stabed, slashed, and barley was able to stand. And he still could have defeated Depa with ease she even says it and goes into a coma lol. Under these circumstances Fisto could beat Mace and Mace>>>>>>Fisto.

FTR Yoda is right. Dooku Vs Anakin is like a boxing match. Dooku wins 70% of the time as shown in the clone wars and Anakin wins 30% of the time and his win happend to be one of the 30%. Also Dooku = ROTS Mace FTR.

Originally posted by §hroud
And yet you don't know that several hours equal days. 😆

Saying several hours later implies that it occurred in a period of time less than a day.


I think it's less "statistics" and more "macaroni-art" - and less of an "A" and more a gold-star.

Big talk coming from someone who doesn't have nuts between their legs.

I know being a transvestite can be frustrating for you. 😄

And I like that "statistics" you laid up there. Except it seems as if you're pulling crap out of your ass.

Go do yourself a favor - go to your room, lock the door, turn the lights off, and pull some crap out, and eat it. 😆

We use inferential statistics to predict the outcomes based on the data we already have. That's what people use to determine boxing matches, this is akin to that, but it is much less of a science and much further based on discussion of source material in conjunction with analysis of feats and performances.


From the kiddie show? 😄

From the T-Canon source material that supersede all but the original movies.


You don't know anything about boxing, or statistics. 😄

Boxing? Not much outside the use of statistics in determining probably outcomes for the purpose of betting.


But what you do know, is that Dooku can't beat Sidious or Mace, and that you're thirsty for my cum.

Gross. You should try masturbating instead of trying to turn me into a pedofile.


Now go wash up. After I'm done with your mum, I'm coming to read you a story by your bedside. 😮‍💨 [/B]

So let me get this straight...you came on my face then ****ed my mother. Aren't you cool.

Originally posted by §hroud
-snip-

Reported.

*sigh* times like this make me wish KMC had a reputation system.

Depa wins in both scenarios....

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Does anyone have Shatterpoint handy? I'd like a full quote of the fight as there seem to be discrepancies.
Here's the entire battle, since I think that's what you are essentially asking for:

"I think," Mace said, "that if you were all you claim, I'd already be dead." He pushed himself into a forward roll that brought him up to a crouch, and looked down into the hole. Depa had done most of his work for him already. He could cut through with a single stroke.
You are not yet my kill.
"No? Whose kill am I, then?"
The answer to his question was a lightsaber's emitter jammed against his belly.
Mace had time to think blankly: Oh. Not dead. Faking.
"Depa-?"

She screamed as she triggered her blade. And kept screaming as its green fire chewed a tunnel through Mace's guts and speared out his back. His hand seized hers instinctively, locking her blade against his body so that she could not kill him by slashing it free. His own blade ignited-But he could not strike her. Even now. Not here, so close he could kiss her instead; not while her scream spiraled up into a shriek; not while he had to look into her wide staring eyes and see no hate or rage but only stark agony.

He was going to have to do this the hard way. He struck downward into the pit beside them, his blade slicing out a lopsided ellipse of armor plate that dropped into darkness below and clanged to an unseen floor. "Geptun!" he roared. "NOW!"

Flashes of battle:
- shadows fleeing the bunker as swarms of screaming electric blue blaster bolts rebounding off walls shoot them to rags-- a flood of troopers spreading into a wave through the doorway, weapons gouting lightning-colored energy, Geptun in the middle of them, head down and running, datapad cradled like a baby in his arms-- a buzzing shield of silver flame that sliced through a blaster rifle so that it exploded and took with it the trooper's hands-These images burned in Mace's brain as he fought for his life against the woman who should have been his daughter.

He brought his blade back up from the pit and turned his wrist on the forehand so that his recovery stroke took her in the temple with his lightsaber's butt. Her fingers slipped off the blade's activation plate and it shrank back down through his body. She howled and punched his eyesocket with her free hand, but Mace got his foot wedged between them and he shoved her away with a powerful thrust. At the same instant both of them backflipped into the air, landing on their feet poised in perfect mirror images, their blades whipping in identically curving slashes almost too fast to see. Blaster bolts howled around them. The air crackled with streaks and splatters of energy. Their blades flickered and whipped and no bolt touched their flesh. Their eyes never left each other's.

Something had torn in his guts when he did the backflip. Smoke trickled upward from the hole in his belly. He could smell it, but he felt no pain. Not yet. His blade whirred through the air. Hers whirred faster. She advanced. The slashes never stopped. They would never stop. They flowed one into the next with liquid precision. This constant near-invisible weave of lethal energy is the ready-stance of Vaapad. "Depa," Mace said desperately. "I don't want to fight you. Depa, please-" She sprang at him, screaming without words; he couldn't know if she'd heard him. He couldn't know if language still had meaning for her. Then she was on him. His whole world turned to green fire.

Mace backpedaled, parrying frantically, absorbing the shock of her attacks with bent arms and a two-handed grip. He was taller than she, with more reach and weight, and vastly more muscle in his upper body, but she drove him backward as though he were a child. Green flame struck through his guard, and only a frantic jerk of his head turned what would have been a brain-burning thrust into a line of char along his cheekbone. Still he did not strike back. "I will not kill you," he said. "Death is not the answer to your pain." Her reply was a scream louder and more savage and an onslaught to match. She broke through his guard again and scorched his wrist. Another stroke burned a slice through his pants leg just above the knee. Power roared around her, a rising storm of darkness. Mace got it now: as each Akk Guard died, his share of pelekotan backflowed through the bonds Vaster had forged among them. She was getting stronger. And with each stroke of her blade, he could feel himself slipping into the shadows. He had to. She was too strong, too fast, too everything. The only way he could survive was to give more of himself to Vaapad. To give all of himself. To sink into pelekotaris dream. He felt it: he had reached his own shatterpoint. And he was breaking.

Through the trace of Force connection he had with Nick, Mace felt the young Korun collapse. Something broke inside his head, and all his own wounds crashed upon him. Every cut and bruise, every cracked bone and sprained joint, the man-bite on his shoulder and the hole through his guts: all of them blossomed into silent screams. His lightsaber went heavy, and his arms went slow. She burned a stripe across his chest, and he staggered. His fighting spirit wasn't destroyed. It wasn't even far away. He could feel where it had gone. He could reach out and touch it. It was waiting for him in the dark. He took one last look at the darkness that called to him-Darkness within mirroring darkness without-And turned away. He let his blade vanish. His arms dropped to his sides. Depa moved in for the kill. Mace backed away. She leaped for him, slashing, and he slipped aside. She pressed her attack and he retreated, over bodies and through blaster-riddled wreckage of console banks, until he came hard up against a console that still had power: indicator lights flashed like droid eyes in the gloom. The blade of green fire whirled up, poised, and struck. He let himself collapse. He fell to the floor at her feet, and instead of cleaving his skull, her blade slashed the console behind him in half. Cables spat blue sparks across the burned gap.

Mace lay on the floor. He didn't think he could get up. Depa stared down at him, her face lit jungle-green by the glow of her blade, and a single needle of light seemed to pierce the dark madness in her eyes. "Oh, Mace..." Her voice was a moan of astonished pain. Her blade vanished, and her arms fell limp and helpless to her sides. "Mace, I'm sorry-I'm so sorry..."

---

Once more: Mace immensely held back the entire time. He never wanted to fight Depa at all-- much less injure her-- much less kill her. He thought about utilizing Vaapad, but he knew that to utilize the form to it's potential meant possibly killing Depa, and the writer solidified multiple times that Mace had no intention of harming "the woman who should have been his daughter."

The aforementioned facts are 100% incontrovertible. Unlike others around here, I don't spew BS. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Here's the entire battle, since I think that's what you are essentially asking for:

"I think," Mace said, "that if you were all you claim, I'd already be dead." He pushed himself into a forward roll that brought him up to a crouch, and looked down into the hole. Depa had done most of his work for him already. He could cut through with a single stroke.
You are not yet my kill.
"No? Whose kill am I, then?"
The answer to his question was a lightsaber's emitter jammed against his belly.
Mace had time to think blankly: Oh. Not dead. Faking.
"Depa-?"

She screamed as she triggered her blade. And kept screaming as its green fire chewed a tunnel through Mace's guts and speared out his back. His hand seized hers instinctively, locking her blade against his body so that she could not kill him by slashing it free. His own blade ignited-But he could not strike her. Even now. Not here, so close he could kiss her instead; not while her scream spiraled up into a shriek; not while he had to look into her wide staring eyes and see no hate or rage but only stark agony.

He was going to have to do this the hard way. He struck downward into the pit beside them, his blade slicing out a lopsided ellipse of armor plate that dropped into darkness below and clanged to an unseen floor. "Geptun!" he roared. "NOW!"

Flashes of battle:
- shadows fleeing the bunker as swarms of screaming electric blue blaster bolts rebounding off walls shoot them to rags-- a flood of troopers spreading into a wave through the doorway, weapons gouting lightning-colored energy, Geptun in the middle of them, head down and running, datapad cradled like a baby in his arms-- a buzzing shield of silver flame that sliced through a blaster rifle so that it exploded and took with it the trooper's hands-These images burned in Mace's brain as he fought for his life against the woman who should have been his daughter.

He brought his blade back up from the pit and turned his wrist on the forehand so that his recovery stroke took her in the temple with his lightsaber's butt. Her fingers slipped off the blade's activation plate and it shrank back down through his body. She howled and punched his eyesocket with her free hand, but Mace got his foot wedged between them and he shoved her away with a powerful thrust. At the same instant both of them backflipped into the air, landing on their feet poised in perfect mirror images, their blades whipping in identically curving slashes almost too fast to see. Blaster bolts howled around them. The air crackled with streaks and splatters of energy. Their blades flickered and whipped and no bolt touched their flesh. Their eyes never left each other's.

Something had torn in his guts when he did the backflip. Smoke trickled upward from the hole in his belly. He could smell it, but he felt no pain. Not yet. His blade whirred through the air. Hers whirred faster. She advanced. The slashes never stopped. They would never stop. They flowed one into the next with liquid precision. This constant near-invisible weave of lethal energy is the ready-stance of Vaapad. "Depa," Mace said desperately. "I don't want to fight you. Depa, please-" She sprang at him, screaming without words; he couldn't know if she'd heard him. He couldn't know if language still had meaning for her. Then she was on him. His whole world turned to green fire.

Mace backpedaled, parrying frantically, absorbing the shock of her attacks with bent arms and a two-handed grip. He was taller than she, with more reach and weight, and vastly more muscle in his upper body, but she drove him backward as though he were a child. Green flame struck through his guard, and only a frantic jerk of his head turned what would have been a brain-burning thrust into a line of char along his cheekbone. Still he did not strike back. "I will not kill you," he said. "Death is not the answer to your pain." Her reply was a scream louder and more savage and an onslaught to match. She broke through his guard again and scorched his wrist. Another stroke burned a slice through his pants leg just above the knee. Power roared around her, a rising storm of darkness. Mace got it now: as each Akk Guard died, his share of pelekotan backflowed through the bonds Vaster had forged among them. She was getting stronger. And with each stroke of her blade, he could feel himself slipping into the shadows. He had to. She was too strong, too fast, too everything. The only way he could survive was to give more of himself to Vaapad. To give all of himself. To sink into pelekotaris dream. He felt it: he had reached his own shatterpoint. And he was breaking.

Through the trace of Force connection he had with Nick, Mace felt the young Korun collapse. Something broke inside his head, and all his own wounds crashed upon him. Every cut and bruise, every cracked bone and sprained joint, the man-bite on his shoulder and the hole through his guts: all of them blossomed into silent screams. His lightsaber went heavy, and his arms went slow. She burned a stripe across his chest, and he staggered. His fighting spirit wasn't destroyed. It wasn't even far away. He could feel where it had gone. He could reach out and touch it. It was waiting for him in the dark. He took one last look at the darkness that called to him-Darkness within mirroring darkness without-And turned away. He let his blade vanish. His arms dropped to his sides. Depa moved in for the kill. Mace backed away. She leaped for him, slashing, and he slipped aside. She pressed her attack and he retreated, over bodies and through blaster-riddled wreckage of console banks, until he came hard up against a console that still had power: indicator lights flashed like droid eyes in the gloom. The blade of green fire whirled up, poised, and struck. He let himself collapse. He fell to the floor at her feet, and instead of cleaving his skull, her blade slashed the console behind him in half. Cables spat blue sparks across the burned gap.

Mace lay on the floor. He didn't think he could get up. Depa stared down at him, her face lit jungle-green by the glow of her blade, and a single needle of light seemed to pierce the dark madness in her eyes. "Oh, Mace..." Her voice was a moan of astonished pain. Her blade vanished, and her arms fell limp and helpless to her sides. "Mace, I'm sorry-I'm so sorry..."

---

Once more: Mace immensely held back the entire time. He never wanted to fight Depa at all-- much less injure her-- much less kill her. He thought about utilizing Vaapad, but he knew that to utilize the form to it's potential meant possibly killing Depa, and the writer solidified multiple times that Mace had no intention of harming "the woman who should have been his daughter."

The aforementioned facts are 100% incontrovertible. Unlike others around here, I don't spew BS. 🙂

....that's the fight everyone is getting wet for Depa about?

Mace has several opportunities to kill her even early in the duel. The **** are people talking about, she's not even on par with AOTC Mace, let alone ROTS Mace or Dooku.

IKR?

Can we all agree that Maul wins?.

He absolutely wins.