Legalizing Illegal Immigration - Yes or No

In your opinion, do you support the idea to grant amnesty to anyone who crosses our borders illegally? Do you support our system to reward law breakers while those still in their respective foreign lands are still working to obtain social security and citizenship to be in the United States? No offense is intended here. I just want your take on all this.

For the sake of keeping your question impartial, I'd advise not inserting your own feelings on the matter into it (such as the process being "unfair"😉.

Otherwise, what you have is a loaded question.

Edit: gj

As far as my own stance: from a moral perspective I don't mind illegal immigrants being allowed to stay do long as they don't commit crimes. From a practical perspective, however, I believe that there's too many complications that arise from allowing them to stay, considering how long it takes for them to get their cards or whatever.

I agree with legalizing illegal immigration. I do not agree with Obama's amnesty decision, I think its insulting to people who are trying to get into the US legally.

Can we truly ever legalize illegal immigration?

No, but you can legalize these nuts.

If there is no difference between foreigner and citizen then you do not have a country. There is no basis for the distribution of social services like Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. So you can drain the money from a social program by introducing a large enough amount of people who are withdrawing but not depositing.

Additionally the more low skill workers you have in a society the more worthless labor becomes. Driving down the salary of the lowest paid people in the country and making it harder to earn a living wage.

Most illegal immigration discussion is directed at our neighbors to the south (in the USA) and I admittedly have a bias in their favor, I also know that a country needs strict immigration laws to stay afloat. If anyone had actually been enforcing our immigration laws in the USA we would not have the current problem we do now, but here we are. I think the Dream act is decent but that extremely strict immigration law should be put into effect very soon or we risk a further loss in the quality of life for those who are already struggling.

TL: DR
No

Originally posted by Bardock42
Can we truly ever legalize illegal immigration?

ALL illegal immigration

Originally posted by Oliver North
[b]ALL illegal immigration [/B]

Originally posted by Astner
Then what's the point of immigration laws?

keeping the little guy down, man

Oh most definitely no! We must ask the masters for permission to let people walk across the arbitrary lines drawn on a map or else we wouldn't be a formal tax farm, *erm*, country!

But these damn cattle cannot be free, oh no no, the rest of us cattle will be upset! They must be extorted, *erm*, taxed like the lot of us! For the good of society of course... what else?

Sounds like a bunch of chickens complaining about the birds who just come in, take some feed, and fly away. Up until they get their heads cut off of course.

I for one am glad that we have at least one poster here who's completely above the fray and enlightened.

this is the dumbest topic ever

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I for one am glad that we have at least one poster here who's completely above the fray and enlightened.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
In your opinion, do you support the idea to grant amnesty to anyone who crosses our borders illegally? Do you support our system to reward law breakers while those still in their respective foreign lands are still working to obtain social security and citizenship to be in the United States? No offense is intended here. I just want your take on all this.

If you're about the Dream Act, it's not rewarding law breakers per se, as "arrived as children" is one of the stipulations. So their arrival in the US was beyond their control. It's like blaming a child cos his father took him on a run to rob a liquor store.

Their parents who brought them here illegally are law breakers and those children (or now adults) who want to fall under the Dream Act should be required to beat their parents to death with their own shoes as one of the stipulations.

^ Typical aloof white man who doesn't understand the immigrants' plight.

Immigrants don't have shoes. They'd have to at least use pinata sticks.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
^ Typical aloof white man who doesn't understand the immigrants' plight.

Immigrants don't have shoes. They'd have to at least use pinata sticks.

When I said "shoes" I was including all footwear, like hand-me-down sandals and hollowed out gourds.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you're about the Dream Act, it's not rewarding law breakers per se, as "arrived as children" is one of the stipulations. So their arrival in the US was beyond their control. It's like blaming a child cos his father took him on a run to rob a liquor store.

Their parents who brought them here illegally are law breakers and those children (or now adults) who want to fall under the Dream Act should be required to beat their parents to death with their own shoes as one of the stipulations.

Well I guess if they crossed the border with their parents as infants, it would feel morally wrong kicking them out when the only country they're familiar with is America as they grew up and we can keep them here but only them. Anymore children that come to take advantage we need to send back to their home country so we can remind the world we have laws. And the students staying here to learn aside, that would still leave millions of illegal immigrants that didn't come here as kids and even those ones are being argued over to stay.

Give them a path to citizenship and allow them amnesty.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Give them a path to citizenship and allow them amnesty.

Why though?