Re: Re: Re: Legalizing Illegal Immigration - Yes or No
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Well I guess if they crossed the border with their parents as infants, it would feel morally wrong kicking them out when the only country they're familiar with is America as they grew up and we can keep them here but only them. Anymore children that come to take advantage we need to send back to their home country so we can remind the world we have laws. And the students staying here to learn aside, that would still leave millions of illegal immigrants that didn't come here as kids and even those ones are being argued over to stay.
Why draw the line at infants? Seems a toddler who spent say 5 years here would have the same "familiar with America" marker, or a 10 year old who crossed over illegally and is now 30.
Again, "children" don't come here to take advantage generally speaking. They're brought here by their parents, other family or some older guardian. I'm sure you could find me a story of an orphaned 10 year old who made a solo trip over the Rio Grande, but that's not the norm.
Exactly. Why even have a fence? Shouldn't we just give amnesty away to everyone around the world to come join in? If you think about it, should the twenty million illegal immigrants be granted citizenship, what's to say it won't be argued to keep twenty million more once the bill passes and encourages more to sneak in America?
Originally posted by Oliver North
to be honest, I really don't understand what the downside is...
-Unregistered criminals
-Health care financial burden
-Education financial burden
-Law enforcement burden
-The slums that rise up when large masses of poor people settle down
-Regional overpopulation
These are just six issues that are brought up, there are more I am sure.
Originally posted by Oliver North
to be honest, I really don't understand what the downside is...
Social programs cost money. More people places more strain on those programs. The question is if immigrants will bring in more money than they will cost. I don't think its realistic to expect that they will, almost certainly not once you open the floodgates.
Originally posted by Oliver North
no, thats what I meantI'm not sure I'd agree with the assumption though, do the laws really stop anyone from entering? It seems the money saved trying to enforce such ineffective laws would be at least one added benefit.
Yes, seems they stop people when they're caught and turned back around and it also prevents some people from ever trying, due to fear and/or lack of financial resources to pay the Coyotes (illegal border runners). I couldn't give you an exact number though.
Really can't say how much the US spends on its prevention methods.
I don't have any numbers either, probably no reliable ones anyways. idk, I can't say I think costs are going to increase too dramatically if people who are already in America, using the services described, were given citizenship.
It is probably not a good idea to do something that would encourage illegal immigration though... which, ya, idk. It almost strikes me like drug laws, the number of people they are stopping is negligible... at least that is my thinking...
Originally posted by Oliver North
no, thats what I meantI'm not sure I'd agree with the assumption though, do the laws really stop anyone from entering? It seems the money saved trying to enforce such ineffective laws would be at least one added benefit.
Money saved on enforcement would be one benefit but there are invisible benefits to the enforcement, so-called "soft power". We can't get a count of the people who decided not to make the trip because of the border patrol or because of the difficulty of the process. It's almost impossible to say what immigration to the US would look like with truly open borders. Uncertain costs are worth worrying about especially for something as irreversible as bringing in potentially tens of millions of new people.
"This year alone, American taxpayers are footing a $113 billion bill to ensure that illegal immigrants receive free education, health care, and other services, according to a study by Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a non-partisan group that has been called to testify in front of Congress about immigration bills more than any other group in the U.S."
There's a number. Does seem large.