Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Have you ever played sports Darth? If you have, then you would know that even us normal humans can dial in and become more focused at the task at hand. Shit, we even do so at work. So, imagine then how much easier it is for a Jedi to do so. My point is, he can easily be that focused most of the time. THis is different than rage.. and you kinda need something to piss you off. Being more focused is easier and happens way more than fits of rage
Yeah great. Except people playing "in the Zone" so to speak is hardly a normal occurence.
Yes it is possible to repeat that, but if you want to assume Kenobi is repeating that same performance then you would also have to assume Opress fighting every time the way he was when he was beating Anakin and Kenobi together.
And you would have Maul fighting every time the way he did against Sidious in their final one on one.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So I was correct it NEVER said PEAK PERFORMANCE OR FOCUS at all.. that is something you added to exaggerate the sequence. The point is fighting offensively and being focused aren't really circumstances at all. They can be normal everyday occurance when you choose. Finding a magical saber on the ground is circumstances. Coming upon a hologram that tells you how to beat somebody right before you face them is a circumstance. Merely fighting offensively or being focused is not.
He was "Properly ready and in the right mind set" in his one on one with Maul. So that performance would be his best performance on a regular day.
Then after his fellow Jedi got murdered in front of him, he was "Even more Focused." So unless you have a bunch of Kenobi's friends to kill first every time Opress fights Kenobi, then Kenobi won't be repeating that Peak Performance in any given fight.
Originally posted by mnat801
lol are you saying Kenobi using a different strategy makes it unfair?
No. Kenobi was the one outnumbered, so it was unfair on him.
But in terms of the environment clearly Kenobi had room to maneuver given all his flips and stuff. Whilst we all know flips are Maul's signature, yet he wasn't doing anything of the sort. Could be the big legs, or could be the cramped space these 2 big guys were fighting in.
But the novel does confirm that the environment made it difficult for both of them to pin Kenobi down together.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERDP stop saying it was a PEAK performance. That was NEVER described as such. Being focused and dialed in isn't a peak performance and it wasn't described as such. Again, we can't dispute that a Jedi can easily become focused and dialed in, much more so than a regular human who can also do so pretty easily. For a Jedi like Kenobi, this is an easy task not some OMG WOWZORZZ Kenobi was focused.
Yeah great. Except people playing "in the Zone" so to speak is hardly a normal occurence.Yes it is possible to repeat that, but if you want to assume Kenobi is repeating that same performance then you would also have to assume Opress fighting every time the way he was when he was beating Anakin and Kenobi together.
And you would have Maul fighting every time the way he did against Sidious in their final one on one.
He was "Properly ready and in the right mind set" in his one on one with Maul. So that performance would be his best performance on a regular day.
Then after his fellow Jedi got murdered in front of him, he was "Even more Focused." So unless you have a bunch of Kenobi's friends to kill first every time Opress fights Kenobi, then Kenobi won't be repeating that Peak Performance in any given fight.
No. Kenobi was the one outnumbered, so it was unfair on him.
But in terms of the environment clearly Kenobi had room to maneuver given all his flips and stuff. Whilst we all know flips are Maul's signature, yet he wasn't doing anything of the sort. Could be the big legs, or could be the cramped space these 2 big guys were fighting in.
But the novel does confirm that the environment made it difficult for both of them to pin Kenobi down together.
Again no we wouldn't say Opress fighting like he did in his 2 v 1 is a normal occurance becaues getting a rage or fits of rage aren't nearly as common nor as easy to get in as just merely being focused for a Jedi. Sure, it can happen again but not with the same ease at which a Jedi can be focused.
It's seriously ridiculous to even suggest fighting in a confined space is easier. Again, have you or the other guy who said that been in a fight befroe? I mean really... I've been jumped before by more than 2 guys and had to fight off two guys... You never EVER want to get trapped and enclosed in a same space. That is the LAST thing you want to have happened. This is just common sense. Let's stop peddling this theory that being in a tight space is a good thing. You want room to move around... strike move and get seperation.. or if things get bad simple GTFO. Being ecclosed isn't good DP so let's drop that.
Recall that ever since Maul came around, Savage couldn't kill him? That's another explanation for Obi-Wan's survival in season 5.
As pointed out by someone else before, Maul could've impaled Obi-Wan, and impaling happens to be one of Savage's favorite moves.
It's arguable that Savage just MIGHT defeat Maul in a force duel too, especially if Maul uses lightning. Who's to say he couldn't catch a wild Kenobi in a Force Grip either?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
DP stop saying it was a PEAK performance. That was NEVER described as such. Being focused and dialed in isn't a peak performance and it wasn't described as such.
It was clearly implied. Either explain why he always failed to defeat these 2 one on one in the past, and performed even better than Count Dooku did against Opress and Ventress in the 2 on 1, or concede that it was clearly a peak performance for Kenobi.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again no we wouldn't say Opress fighting like he did in his 2 v 1 is a normal occurance becaues getting a rage or fits of rage aren't nearly as common nor as easy to get in as just merely being focused for a Jedi. Sure, it can happen again but not with the same ease at which a Jedi can be focused..
Using Anger to the fullest is the Sith version. Reaching a peak state of clarity/focus is the Jedi version. Just opposite sides of the same spectrum.
Either way it's a peak performance.
Please post the narration saying it was a peak performance or concede the point.
Why wasn't he able to defeat them before... well that is very simple.. in one instance he was SPECIFICALLY stated to not be focused and was tired. So that takes care of one... as far as another... you just can't win them all. Sometimes baltimore beats New England... other times they don't. Doesn't mean it was a peak performance when they do. In this case... it was kenobi merely getting focused to turn the tide.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please post the narration saying it was a peak performance or concede the point.
It was beyond peak. Because he was already properly focused, and then after Adi died EVEN MORE Focused. I.e. he was beyond his normal peak focus. Therefore that was a peak performace to say the least.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why wasn't he able to defeat them before... well that is very simple.. in one instance he was SPECIFICALLY stated to not be focused
Right! So it's not that simple to be properly focused anytime you need to be. Glad you agree.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
and was tired.
He wasn't tired at all when Opress battered him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So that takes care of one... as far as another... you just can't win them all. Sometimes baltimore beats New England... other times they don't.
Right... You can't win them all! You realise that goes for Maul and Opress too right? Glad you agree.
[QUOTE=14363694]Originally posted by Intrepid37
[B]People are making it sound as if I'm putting Opress above Kenobi in terms of swordmanship. facepalm
When did I deny that Kenobi and Maul were peers?
Maul has won one and stalemated the other, both while not wanting to kill Kenobi.
This is so misleading, Kenobi wsa BEATING maul prior to the use of dun moch
Then kenobi was clearly superior to maul in their tcw seasn 5 fight, disorientatng maul and incapping oppress, driving maul back, force shoving both(in the sahdow conspiracy novel) ect.
His circumstantial edge doesn't even make sense. If kenobi who uses the vastly more acrobatic form here can flip and twist why can't maul and oppress execute their linear styles? Also kenobi due to the numeber of opponents used his second best form.
Furthermore tcw kenobi is PRE PRIME
Force wise even after this fight right before the puter rim seiges he went from being forc ebalsted by ventress to deflecting forc eblasts from anakin. And yes, ankin was hindered, bue he also per starwars.com "vastly improved" from his tcw season 5 self.. He went from being outclassed by dooku and stalemating grevious to decisvely beating grevious quickly and dooku considering kenobi a "threat on his own"
Dooku "expended all his energy" to blindiside and take kenobi out of the fight via force.
Kenobi is solidly above maul in every category here nd using season 4 kenobi is ridiculous.
And oppress is not beating kenobi, ever.
Using an arc where ventress force choked dooku+anakin, oppress force choked ventress+dooku, sent dooku across a room with a saber to saber strike twice, and force blasted kenobi+anakin when he was upposedly pre prime*even though in season 5 he had way worse showings) is also stupid.
Kenobi is more powerful, a far better duelist, and as he showcased in both of his duels vs the superior unarmed combatant in maul is also a much better h2h fighter, kenobi outclasse soppress, its that simple.
Originally posted by Taay'hai
Recall that ever since Maul came around, Savage couldn't kill him? That's another explanation for Obi-Wan's survival in season 5.As pointed out by someone else before, Maul could've impaled Obi-Wan, and impaling happens to be one of Savage's favorite moves.
It's arguable that Savage just MIGHT defeat Maul in a force duel too, especially if Maul uses lightning. Who's to say he couldn't catch a wild Kenobi in a Force Grip either?