Which is exactly my point... he knows that is what I meant but he wants to argue just to argue. So here, yes there was NO statement saying they were 100%, but since there is no statement saying they weren't, it's then safer to assume they were then they weren't. Fair enough? So now onto my point.. Kenobi beat them when they were all okay.. he lost to them when it was specifically stated he wasn't.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Kinda like how Sids lost to a mace who wasn't even trying to kill him and only arrest him and thus wasn't going all out 100%. Like that?
What?
I just used your own argument against you, and your response was to use a completely irrelevant analogy.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Can we all just agree Kenobi defeats Savage with a debatable amount of difficulty?
Yes.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is exactly my point... he knows that is what I meant but he wants to argue just to argue. So here, yes there was NO statement saying they were 100%, but since there is no statement saying they weren't, it's then safer to assume they were then they weren't. Fair enough? So now onto my point.. Kenobi beat them when they were all okay.. he lost to them when it was specifically stated he wasn't.
I wasn't trying to "argue just to argue" at all. But you made a claim and I demand proof for it.
I'm not telepathic: there is a HUGE difference between "let's assume they were at peak performance unless otherwise noted" (which I don't disagree with) and "they were all STATED to be at peak performance."
It's your error, not mine.
Re: Re: Savage Opress vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt seems like Obi Wan's force abilities are a bit underrated. Although he's not known for excelling at using the force, he's no pushover either. He was able to stalemate Anakin's force push in ROTS, and Anakin = most powerful force user ever.
Obi-Wan is superior swordsman so he is likely to win in a contest (not involving Force powers).In all-out situation, Opress might have a chance with his Force powers but this would be luck/smart-decision making based development.
However Savage is definitely powerful in the force, so imo he'd have a chance if the situation was force powers alone. In an all out, I'm still confident Kenobi takes this 9/10.
Re: Re: Re: Savage Opress vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi
Originally posted by mnat801However Savage is definitely powerful in the force, so imo he'd have a chance if the situation was force powers alone. In an all out, I'm still confident Kenobi takes this 9/10.
Think you might be underestimating how many wins Opress can take.
He has driven back and even beaten Kenobi in the past in pure Saber/Physical confrontations. His strength can still cause an issue.
Put that together with the TK power Opress has displayed, and he can definitely take a some wins Imho. I'd give Opress at least 2/10 wins in a pure Saber fight personally. And as much as 3 possibly even 4 wins in an all out due to his mean TK waves.
Having said that I'll always give Kenobi the majority. On average probably like 7/10.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Shall we compare Savage's best victories to Kenobi's?
If such a comparison would include Anakin and Obi-Wan utterly failing to subdue Savage, then yeah, sure.
If we're sticking our fingers in our ears and including only Savage's final duel with Obi-Wan for the purposes of wanking the latter, then no thanks.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Savage Opress vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI strongly disagree. Any feats that Opress has had over Kenobi has been through surprise. I'm assuming this thread is about Kenobi vs Opress in which both are prepared and in the right mind set for each other.
Think you might be underestimating how many wins Opress can take.He has driven back and even beaten Kenobi in the past in pure Saber/Physical confrontations. His strength can still cause an issue.
Put that together with the TK power Opress has displayed, and he can definitely take a some wins Imho. I'd give Opress at least 2/10 wins in a pure Saber fight personally. And as much as 3 possibly even 4 wins in an all out due to his mean TK waves.
Having said that I'll always give Kenobi the majority. On average probably like 7/10.
Now Opress may not have been in the right mindset, but for Kenobi to be able to do that much damage to Opress in Revival while having Maul to worry about, makes me think immediately that in a fair fight when both combatants are ready that Kenobi stomps.
Yeah Opress has displayed impressive feats of strength and tk, with some of these against Kenobi, but none of those feats give any indication that Opress can surely beat Kenobi 3/4 times out of ten.
Imo pure sabers Opress has no chance. Pure tk Opress does have a chance. And in an all out Kenobi wins 9/10, and personally I thought that was being generous.