Savage Opress vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He got a kick in. And created an opening for himself.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Kenobi is slightly above Maul,

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
let alone his apprentice.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Injuring Mace Windu>>Anything Savage has done.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Also the stupid comparison of Savage vs. Kenobi and Skywalker is just that, stupid.

Kenobi took off Savage's arm and broke his leg. He was winning and force them into retreat.

That is not the same as Savage getting off a Force Push or some shit like that. Filoni himself states that Maul and Savage lose. The length people will go into denial about this is obscene.

One ordinary performance doesn't outweigh the average.

Well, since Filoni has stated that the brothers legitimately lost the fight, I think it's a valid showing. The intention was to showcase how "Strength in character can defeat strength in numbers ." Mind tell, what is the average then? Even before, Maul had more trouble fighting Kenobi than fighting Savage.

Kenobi is superior to Savage, simple as that.
Filoni said Kenobi won. It's not denial, it's common sense that Filoni has a greater say on Kenobi's victory than what vague average fans speculate on.

What, a circumstancial victory equals greater power and skill?

Right.

There's a reason why Kenobi consitently struggles with Grievous, Ventress and Maul.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Filoni himself states that Maul and Savage lose. The length people will go into denial about this is obscene.

Originally posted by Vensai
It's not denial, it's common sense that Filoni has a greater say on Kenobi's victory than what vague average fans speculate on.

Correction.

Filoni states Maul and Opress lost in that situation and in that scenario.

Anyone who believes Kenobi is > Maul + Opress under normal circumstances is just plain out crazy.

He is however > Opress in a one on one.

I can accept Kenobi being above Opress in an 'all-out', but he will by no means ''handily'' beat him, which is the only thing I've argued.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Correction.

Filoni states Maul and Opress lost in that situation and in that scenario.

Anyone who believes Kenobi is > Maul + Opress under normal circumstances is just plain out crazy.

Glad to have finally converted you. 👆

]Originally posted by Intrepid37
I can accept Kenobi being above Opress in an 'all-out', but he will by no means ''handily'' beat him, which is the only thing I've argued.

👆

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And then Maul kicked his ass.

Yeah, no.

Uhhh yeah.

No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE_CVWMWK74

When Adi Gallia dies Kenobi would have one-shotted Savage were it not for Maul's intervention.

Let's not pretend Opress couldn't do that should Mace be extremely injured and holding back.

Mace Windu would utterly stomp Savage in a similar manner Sidious did.

It's not denial, it's common sense. Opress literally ragdolled Anakin and Kenobi, Ventress gave the best performance of her life against the same pair and, in turn, Kenobi goes apeshit on the brothers.

He pushed them back, not ragdolled him. He force choked Dooku as well, but we all know Dooku would take him to the curb. Ventress took on a non-focused Kenobi and Skywalker, and Kenobi has a thing for Ventress.

Ventress lost that duel, Savage it was undecided, Kenobi won the duel. He won the engagement and mutilated Savage while he did it.

One ordinary performance doesn't outweigh the average.

Filoni plainly states that the only thing different about Kenobi was he was exhausted, unfocused, and mentally distraught in one instance where he fought Maul and that he was focused on the second one.

His first fight with Maul is an outlier. Deal with it.

Nah, Intrepid's right. Obi-Wan had the advantage of terrain and the brothers didn't want to kill him.

Both are outliers and Obi-Wan will not be owning Savage.

you
Deal with it.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
With Savage's aide.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Uhhh yeah.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE_CVWMWK74

When Adi Gallia dies Kenobi would have one-shotted Savage were it not for Maul's intervention.

At 4:28 Maul would've impaled Kenobi with his saber had he been trying to kill him.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Mace Windu would utterly stomp Savage in a similar manner Sidious did.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He pushed them back, not ragdolled him. He force choked Dooku as well, but we all know Dooku would take him to the curb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkn3UBL51g

0:10 he ragdolls them.
0:18 he forces them on the defensive
0:57 he puts them on their ass via a Force wave.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Ventress took on a non-focused Kenobi and Skywalker, and Kenobi has a thing for Ventress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laHyeF0wz84

0:22 ''The pleasant is all mine, dear Obi-Wan. I've missed you'' (she has a thing for Kenobi lolz)

1:12 ''I'm all yours Obi-Wan'' (she has a thing for Kenobi lolz)

1:56 ''Come and get me boys'' (she has a thing for Kenobi lolz)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-nDmMMtb6Q

0:29, she pwns Kenobi with a kick and fights equally with Skywalker.

She then fights both of them as equals before getting disarmed through a force push only to choke them both.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Filoni plainly states that the only thing different about Kenobi was he was exhausted, unfocused, and mentally distraught in one instance where he fought Maul and that he was focused on the second one.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
His first fight with Maul is an outlier. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Savage was fighting Ventress...

Talking about Maul who is>>>Savage

After kicking him due to Opress being distracted. 👆

At 4:28 Maul would've impaled Kenobi with his saber had he been trying to kill him.

Wrong, Opress looks up at Kenobi and has time to dodge, he just couldn't.

While holding back and being injured? This begs for prove.

Savage is not even close to Mace Windu's league in bladework. Do you think Windu would get disarmed in the casual manner Maul disarmed Savage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkn3UBL51g

0:10 he ragdolls them.
0:18 he forces them on the defensive
0:57 he puts them on their ass via a Force wave.

1. That's not ragdolling, that's a force push.
2. Yeah because they were trying so hard.
3. They weren't even fighting him at the time. He was being gunned down, why would they even bother having their defenses up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laHyeF0wz84

0:22 ''The pleasant is all mine, dear Obi-Wan. I've missed you'' (she has a thing for Kenobi lolz)

1:12 ''I'm all yours Obi-Wan'' (she has a thing for Kenobi lolz)

1:56 ''Come and get me boys'' (she has a thing for Kenobi lolz)

Except Kenobi is a Jedi and Ventress is a Sith. Kenobi embarrases her in TCW movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-nDmMMtb6Q

0:29, she pwns Kenobi with a kick and fights equally with Skywalker.

She then fights both of them as equals before getting disarmed through a force push only to choke them both.

Not the same thing. Neither Kenobi nor Skywalker were exhausted by the end of the duel. Ventress was.

And did he not, in the same episode, mention that the brothers had been trying too hard (or something like that?)

No he didn't. He said that they had overextended themselves politically.

Yeah, and it was Maul's first fight in over a decade on newly made cybernetic legs. 👆

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Yeah I'm going to go ahead and say being tortured and foodless for hours trumps the legs. Kenobi wasn't in the mental state to win. He was confused that Maul was back, then add in the Dun Moch and you have Maul at an extreem psychological advantage.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Talking about Maul who is>>>Savage

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Wrong, Opress looks up at Kenobi and has time to dodge, he just couldn't.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Savage is not even close to Mace Windu's league in bladework. Do you think Windu would get disarmed in the casual manner Maul disarmed Savage?

Maul would disarm and kill an injured Windu, yes.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
1. That's not ragdolling, that's a force push.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
2. Yeah because they were trying so hard.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
3. They weren't even fighting him at the time. He was being gunned down, why would they even bother having their defenses up?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Except Kenobi is a Jedi and Ventress is a Sith. Kenobi embarrases her in TCW movie.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Neither Kenobi nor Skywalker were exhausted by the end of the duel. Ventress was.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No he didn't. He said that they had overextended themselves politically.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yeah I'm going to go ahead and say being tortured and foodless for hours trumps the legs.

Also, hours? Proof?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Kenobi wasn't in the mental state to win. He was confused that Maul was back, then add in the Dun Moch and you have Maul at an extreem psychological advantage.

Maul had gained new legs, met his new brother and, according to Insider #132, ''didn't know his place''.

Not the best mental state either.

Originally posted by Intrepid37

Link?

It's here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvGXSe8fvrs

Conversation about Obi-Wan fighting well against the brothers starts around 16:00. Lasts a couple of minutes.

It seems all of you have misread my 'No Force' rules, so I'm enabling force powers now. And ask yourselves--can Obi-Wan go to the extent of using force powers more than Savage did? Could -he- ragdoll Ventress and Dooku?

Originally posted by Taay'hai
It seems all of you have misread my 'No Force' rules, so I'm enabling force powers now. And ask yourselves--can Obi-Wan go to the extent of using force powers more than Savage did? Could -he- ragdoll Ventress and Dooku?

And I don't recall Savage ragdolling Ventress and Dooku.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Glad to have finally converted you. 👆

Just have to get you to admit that Kenobi's > Tiin, Kolar, Fisto and most council members 😉

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Just have to get you to admit that Kenobi's > Tiin, Kolar, Fisto and most council members 😉

Originally posted by Intrepid37
-snip-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvGXSe8fvrs
17:57

"And he loses that fight, rather he's not in the right mindset...When you get to this episode, Obi-Wan is much more focused and ready. Not only that but when Adi-Gallia dies, he gains more focus and sort of has to right that wrong. He's a very skilled swordsman. He's not going to lose that fight in that situation."

"I think it's more of a tie..."

"Nah."

Nah, Intrepid's right. Obi-Wan had the advantage of terrain and the brothers didn't want to kill him.

Both are outliers and Obi-Wan will not be owning Savage.

No you're both wrong and should take the director of the show's view higher than your own.

lol

Because Filoni says it's a win doesn't mean it's not a circumstancial win.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

No you're both wrong and should take the director of the show's view higher than your own.

And I would IF Filoni said Obi-Wan was better than Savage, let alone so superior as to be able to curbstomp him.

But in fact he doesn't. All he says is that Obi-Wan won't lose THAT duel in THAT situation. Since THAT duel and THAT situation aren't at play here, there's nothing relevant in Filoni's commentary.

Feel free to address the rest of my argument in your next post instead of pretending the only time the two ever fought was in Revival and that Filoni's statement means "lol obiwan pwnz all day 3vry day n savage sux!"

One thing is to say Kenobi can beat Opress with ease. Another thing is to think he can actually beat Opress + Maul.

I can't take anyone who supports the latter incident seriously.