Hulk vs superman(no super speed)

Originally posted by Odekahn
I don't think freeze breath will stop him all by its lonesome, but it will be a factor. There are too many variables that FB can factor in.

It can slow Hulk down via means of obstacles or simply changing the battleground. And Superman also has Super Breath. If Hulk gets too close, a puff of air would be like a hurricane suddenly falling on Hulk. Clark is extremely intelligent and isn't foreign to using science and physics to take down an opponent.

Also, I'm still wanting to see Hulk recover from a concentrated head blow like the one he delivered to Wolverine in WWH that messed up Logan's healing factor.

Carver is still trying to convince everybody that HIS hulk beats superman after so many years?

Originally posted by Odekahn
I was mainly talking about Thor, but how about Aquarius?

And I've read my share of Hulk and do have lots of books (and merchandise period) with him in it, although I must admit when it comes to Hulk I tend to wait for the graphic novels and don't keep up with the latest trade paper backs.

What time are you talking about with Thor?

Originally posted by carver9
What time are you talking about with Thor?

In an alternate dimension where he KO'd Hulk with a lightning bolt. Incredible Hulk annual #1 I believe.

Originally posted by Odekahn
In an alternate dimension where he KO'd Hulk with a lightning bolt. Incredible Hulk annual #1 I believe.

Aaaahhhh, that fight where he summon lightning and hits Hulk in the back of the head. Did you see what happened after that?

Hulk suckered Thor and was unable to keep him down even after that? Not to mention hulk got knocked out because air was too thin.

😒 Carter--

Originally posted by Delta1938
Pre-DOS Superman one-shots Lobo and Lar Gand(two Top-Tiers) by smashing their heads together.

Superman one-shots a Top-Tier white Martian with a casual backhanded blow as she's trying to sneak-up on him.

Superman one-shots the Above Top-Tier Despero with Heat Vision.

Superman one-shot rips apart the Top-Tier Bizarro enhanced by O.M.A.C. tech(and people are impressed by Sentry ripping Ares apart?)

Superman bursts-through the universal reality manipulating Emperor Joker.....while holding back.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Strength/Striking-Throwing/Bursts_Through_EJ

Bursts through a universal(perhaps multiversal) version of Death.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Strength/Striking-Throwing/Death

Darkseid becomes Soulfire Darkseid and fights The Source/ALE combined being, in a fight that devastates so badly it's "cuts reality to The Bleed." Scott Free with the ALE alone was able to destroy The Source Wall, which was likely galaxy sized.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Infinity_Man/VS_Scott_Free

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Darkseid/SF_Darkseid_vs_The_Source-ALE

Not a scratch on Darkseid. Superman bursts through him.

Hulk is outclassed.

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You know, that Lobo and Lar-Gand scan are so misleading of the writer's intentions and a good example of why reading the entire comic is a good idea for context. For those who don't know, Lar-Gand alone was beating Superman:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-31.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-32.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-33.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-34.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-35.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-36.jpg

Lobo and Clark also pretty much stalemated in that story IIRC. People present those scenes as evidence that Superman out-muscled them both or something when Lar alone is imo arguably stronger then Clark. Fyi, I don't think we see either of them knocked out. As a matter of fact, since Superman asks them for an explanation, I'd argue they were only stunned if anything.

The Martian in the second set of scans was not shown to be knocked out either. As a matter of fact, the very next page shows her to be just fine:

This is the typical misleading bullshit that reflects poorly on legit Superman fans. Anyways, I've had my fill of constantly correcting Superman scans. At this point I hope everyone just knows to take them with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You know, that Lobo and Lar-Gand scan are so misleading of the writer's intentions and a good example of why reading the entire comic is a good idea for context. For those who don't know, Lar-Gand alone was beating Superman:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-31.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-32.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-33.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-34.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-35.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-36.jpg

Lobo and Clark also pretty much stalemated in that story IIRC. People present those scenes as evidence that Superman out-muscled them both or something when Lar alone is imo arguably stronger then Clark. Fyi, I don't think we see either of them knocked out. As a matter of fact, since Superman asks them for an explanation, I'd argue they were only stunned if anything.

The Martian in the second set of scans was not shown to be knocked out either. As a matter of fact, the very next page shows her to be just fine:

This is the typical misleading bullshit that reflects poorly on legit Superman fans. Anyways, I've had my fill of constantly correcting Superman scans. At this point I hope everyone just knows to take them with a grain of salt.

I know what happened in the issue. I never claimed he out-muscled them both. He got mad and smashed their heads together. You're nitpicking to say they weren't KOed.

And Primaid wasn't KOed? That's why she falls back, eyes closed going "URK!!" and we don't see her for a few panels? Based on your argument for Lobo/Lar, that same logic means we can say her team mates likely revived Primaid.

It's not you correcting, it's you lowballing.

Oh and if you think I'm trying to mislead anybody with the Lobo/Lar fight, look through my Photobucket and you'll find the full fight. I have a shorter version for when I just want to show the end.

Why does Lar Gand using a weapon twice to get the upper hand on superman means anything here?

Also a huge lulz @ him correcting superman scans. The guy has repeated half a dozen times that soulfire darkseid was made of something like glass.

When Superman smashed Lobo's and Gand heads together, if you read the whole story is obvious that He just had enough of the whole thing and decided to step up his game to the point in which He flash Ko both of them.

That is a good idea for the writers intention, because Superman in character holds back most of the time and is not only when He is pissed of that He does things like this.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I know what happened in the issue. I never claimed he out-muscled them both. He got mad and smashed their heads together. You're nitpicking to say they weren't KOed.

And Primaid wasn't KOed? That's why she falls back, eyes closed going "URK!!" and we don't see her for a few panels? Based on your argument for Lobo/Lar, that same logic means we can say her team mates likely revived Primaid.

It's not you correcting, it's you lowballing.

Oh and if you think I'm trying to mislead anybody with the Lobo/Lar fight, look through my Photobucket and you'll find the full fight. I have a shorter version for when I just want to show the end.

So you don't think he out-muscled them? Okay, cool. I've seen that claimed before and if you've read the story, you'd know that this isn't very accurate based on the context the other fights in the story give us. How am I nitpicking? You're claiming they were knocked out but nowhere was this shown and Superman is still talking to them. You generally have to prove a character knocked someone out.

No, I don't think she was knocked out. Probably momentarily stunned, or some kind of flash ko that lasts a second and is indistinguishable from a stun. I didn't say Superman was unable to hurt her. I however do think that since she's completely fine on the next page a few seconds(?) later, that calling it a knock out is incredibly dubious.

Characters have been knocked off panel for entire pages, that doesn't mean that they are automatically knocked out. If this is however your reasoning, prepare to be consistent and unbiased because I can post tons of such examples for Superman (Or really any character).

Originally posted by abhilegend

Also a huge lulz @ him correcting superman scans. The guy has repeated half a dozen times that soulfire darkseid was made of something like glass.

😂 Who said Soul fire DS was made out of glass???

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
I respect the super breath but hulk is no Dumbass. Kal is smarter that's true but how about hulk throws car Kal uses super breath and runs towards him as hes blows the car away and smash him. or use that thunder clap and create an opening. how about hulk makes an earthquake (I HAVE SCANS TO PROVE HE CAN DO THIS) have supe fly up and jump body slam his ass. as far as the head thing hulk catches punch and breaks arm or smashes and smashes

Clark can use multiple powers at once. He heat visions the car as he uses Super Breath on Hulk.

And superman can freeze all liquid on hulk's body and drop the giant green ice-cube onto the sun.
all of this peacefully, from the earth.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You know, that Lobo and Lar-Gand scan are so misleading of the writer's intentions and a good example of why reading the entire comic is a good idea for context. For those who don't know, Lar-Gand alone was beating Superman:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-31.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-32.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-33.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-34.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-35.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/AdventuresOfSupermanAnnual02-36.jpg

Lobo and Clark also pretty much stalemated in that story IIRC. People present those scenes as evidence that Superman out-muscled them both or something when Lar alone is imo arguably stronger then Clark. Fyi, I don't think we see either of them knocked out. As a matter of fact, since Superman asks them for an explanation, I'd argue they were only stunned if anything.

The Martian in the second set of scans was not shown to be knocked out either. As a matter of fact, the very next page shows her to be just fine:

This is the typical misleading bullshit that reflects poorly on legit Superman fans. Anyways, I've had my fill of constantly correcting Superman scans. At this point I hope everyone just knows to take them with a grain of salt.

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Originally posted by Odekahn
Clark can use multiple powers at once. He heat visions the car as he uses Super Breath on Hulk.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
so the hulks thunderclap on supermans super sonic ears do nothing..... oh please

This is actually a good point. Without his speed but with his enhanced senses, this might be a big handicap.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
This is actually a good point. Without his speed but with his enhanced senses, this might be a big handicap.

Someone posted superman could freeze hulk and throw him into sun....why cant hulk just break free? throwing him into the sun from a distance (THE SMARTEST WAY TO DO IT ) will take atleast 2 mins.
he could break free

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
exactly. superman is no push-over but with no super speed he loses to hulk

Someone posted superman could freeze hulk and throw him into sun....why cant hulk just break free? throwing him into the sun from a distance (THE SMARTEST WAY TO DO IT ) will take atleast 2 mins.
he could break free

Superman still has control of his senses. And why couldn't Super Breath counteract the force of a thunderclap? Also, thunderclapping isn't exclusive to Hulk.